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Democrats Declare War on the 1st Amendment

Which of these indicate that liberals care about the 1st Amendment?

  • Their attempts to ban books they don't like

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Their routine shouting down/assaulting of conservative speakers

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Their current attempt to suppress Republican speech ("Fairness" Doctrine)

    Votes: 1 14.3%

  • None of these

    Votes: 6 85.7%
  • Total voters
    7
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aquapub

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Democrats can't get people to buy their books, listen to their radio, watch their TV, and they have to act like conservatives to scrape out razor thin majorities even during an unpopular war, with scandals.

They gravitate to the judiciary and publicly funded radio and PBS because they are all unaccountable to the people.

They only pretend to care about the 1st Amendment when no one's right to dissent has been violated (NAMBLA'S rape and escape manual, Howard Stern being forced to take his juvenile shock fest to private airwaves, flag-burning, etc.)
 
Liberals only cite the first amendment if it agrees with their position....
 
aquapub said:
Further proof that liberals struggle with literacy. :lol:

Um, let me think...what could I be getting at by posting examples that debunk the left's "champion of the 1st Amendment" act? :roll:
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Before you comment on my 'literacy' I would suggest you engage in further study of the manner in which arguments are presented in western style rhetoric. You didn't give your premise, although you alluded to it now. You assumed it a shared belief, which it isn't. And, you started with a statement that was only loosely related to your topic name. I'm just trying to understand what you are talking about, but it is obvious you haven't thought about it enough it to explain. Please try.
 
Morrow said:
You didn't give your premise, although you alluded to it now.
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From my first post:

"They only pretend to care about the 1st Amendment when no one's right to dissent has been violated (NAMBLA'S rape and escape manual, Howard Stern being forced to take his juvenile shock fest to private airwaves, flag-burning, etc.)"


The premise is obvious from this alone...Democrats claim to champion the first amendment, but are actually its worst enemy.
 
When, in your estimation, was this war against the 1st Amendment declared by the Democrats?
 
The Mark said:
When, in your estimation, was this war against the 1st Amendment declared by the Democrats?
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You aren't really trying to have a serious conversation with him are you? Has anyone told you how futile that is yet?
 
aquapub said:
Democrats can't get people to buy their books, listen to their radio, watch their TV, and they have to act like conservatives to scrape out razor thin majorities even during an unpopular war, with scandals.

They gravitate to the judiciary and publicly funded radio and PBS because they are all unaccountable to the people.

They only pretend to care about the 1st Amendment when no one's right to dissent has been violated (NAMBLA'S rape and escape manual, Howard Stern being forced to take his juvenile shock fest to private airwaves, flag-burning, etc.)
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I would like to say all of the above.
 
The Mark said:
When, in your estimation, was this war against the 1st Amendment declared by the Democrats?
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The moment they enacted the Fairness Doctrine and sent DNC lawyers after the voices of the right thank god Reagan repealed it, but now they are attempting to get it back because they can't compete fairly in the market place of ideas.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
The moment they enacted the Fairness Doctrine and sent DNC lawyers after the voices of the right thank god Reagan repealed it, but now they are attempting to get it back because they can't compete fairly in the market place of ideas.
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I call bullshit.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Which part, the part that the Democrats enacted a Fascist policy entitled the Fairness Doctrine to suppress free speech in this country for over 50 years, or the part about them wanting to reenact it?
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The part about it being a fascist doctrine that limited free speech. I call bullshit. The fairness doctrine ran parallel to section 315 of the Communications Act of 1937 which required radio stations to offer equal time to qualified political candidates. The Fairness Doctrine limited personal attack, required that fair rebuttal times be given, and required that balanced and fair reporting be a standard. Crying that the policy was fascist or a deliberate attempt to give the democrats an upper hand is both hysterical and dishonest. Extremists tend to be good at that though so I am not surprised that you would cry wolf.
 
jallman said:
The part about it being a fascist doctrine that limited free speech. I call bullshit. The fairness doctrine ran parallel to section 315 of the Communications Act of 1937 which required radio stations to offer equal time to qualified political candidates. The Fairness Doctrine limited personal attack, required that fair rebuttal times be given, and required that balanced and fair reporting be a standard. Crying that the policy was fascist or a deliberate attempt to give the democrats an upper hand is both hysterical and dishonest. Extremists tend to be good at that though so I am not surprised that you would cry wolf.
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Complete bullshit, DNC lawyers used the fairness doctrine to harrass and intimidate right wing commentators for more than 50 years sending a chilling effect throughout the media, but don't take my word for it let's ask President Kennedy's Assistant Secretary of Commerce, Bill Ruder, who said, "We had a massive strategy to use the 'fairness doctrine' to challenge and harass the right-wing broadcasters and hoped the challenge would be so costly to them that they would be inhibited and decide it was too expensive to continue."

In the SCOTUS case of Red Lion v. FCC they found the doctrine to be Constitutional but what they didn't know is that the complaitent hadn't even heard the broadcast in question and in actuality the case was pursued by DNC lawyers.

There is one reason and one reason only that the DNC wants to reimpliment the fairness doctrine and that is to get shows like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity shut down, because their stations will be given two options either give hour after hour of free airtime to liberal pundints or cancel the shows, now which one do you think they're going to choose? The Democrats know that liberal talk radio is a bust and that the only way they can compete in the market place of ideas is to cheat. And just what is it about the words "Congress shall make no law," that you don't understand? Anyone who seriously tries to defend this blatantly unconstitutional statute would probably be better off living in Communist China because they sure as hell don't give a damn about the First Amendment.
 
We are all somewhat blinded by our beliefs, the trick is to distrust our own champions at least as much as the other side's champions. A liar is a liar, no matter his cause. I have friends who practically worship Rush and it astounds me. They are seemingly intelligent people who rabidly listen to the crap that comes out of Rush's mouth, and the mouths of others like him.
We need moderate champions, at least as many of them as the total of the far left and far right combined. But, who listens to the calm, still voice of reason anymore, especially when there are so many self righteous self centered saviours out there ready and willing to fleece us of our common sense? We are sheep....baaaaa
 
Markets only work efficiently when everyone has complete information. Doesn't this also apply to the marketplace of ideas?
 
What ideas are you alluding to? I read a lot, and like to trace the history of ideas, especially those that we call our own here in the USA. If you read the writings of our founding fathers, and learn who were their teachers, it becomes obvious that most of our ideas have been around a long time.
New ideas? Not sure there are very many. New application for old ideas are more likely. But most of us are not learned enough to do this. Our education system shortchanges us a lot when we are not presented with our history of ideas, and given an opportunity to study them, discuss them, etc.
Public schools could do a better job in this area, for sure.

The loud mouthed pundits aren't teaching, or sharing ideas. They are trying to win converts to their ideas and will rarely admit that their opponent's ideas have any merit at all. I doubt that many of them can't be swayed, tho, especially if you throw enough money at them. Or is it the power they enjoy?
Either way, I wish they would just take viagra for those feelings of inadequacy and leave the rest of us alone long enough to think for ourselves.
 
Dezaad said:
Markets only work efficiently when everyone has complete information. Doesn't this also apply to the marketplace of ideas?
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Is there something about being a leftist that makes you not understand simple English? What is it that you people don't understand about the words, "Congress shall make no law." ?????
 
Nothing is more entertaining than a rightwing circle-jerk. :mrgreen:

Is this the thread where the 30% (and falling :mrgreen:) muster?
 
Captain America said:
Nothing is more entertaining than a rightwing circle-jerk. :mrgreen:

Is this the thread where the 30% (and falling :mrgreen:) muster?
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There's nothing more entertaining that lefties denying the truth and the fact of the matter is that the Democrats are trying to rape the Constitution by reenacting the fairness doctrine which they used for almost 50 years to silence the voice of the right in this country. They know they can't complete fairly in the market place of ideas so now they figure they'll just cheat.
 
Originally posted by aquapub:
Democrats can't get people to buy their books, listen to their radio, watch their TV, and they have to act like conservatives to scrape out razor thin majorities even during an unpopular war, with scandals.

They gravitate to the judiciary and publicly funded radio and PBS because they are all unaccountable to the people.

They only pretend to care about the 1st Amendment when no one's right to dissent has been violated (NAMBLA'S rape and escape manual, Howard Stern being forced to take his juvenile shock fest to private airwaves, flag-burning, etc.)
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Thank you, pubby, for admitting this is an un-popular war. So when are you going to get with the majority sentiment in this country and help stop the insanity that put us in this un-popular war (as you so stated above)?

Acting like conservatives means slinging mud at your opponant. Something both sides do a little too much of.

Howard Stern went to satallite radio because his 1st Amendment rights were being infringed upon.
 
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