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Facts:
1. Trump owned the shut down in his own words on camera.
2. The Senate passed a clean budget resolution before this all started.
3. The only reason Trump changed his mind was conservative media complained and made him worried he would lose supporters.
4. They already agreed on over a billion for border fencing/security and illegal border crossing has dropped steadily since 2007 by 80%. There is little evidence to justify the need for more funds.
5. He couldn't get it done after the 2016 election when he had majorities in both houses of Congress even after being offered a deal by the Democrats to fully fund his wall in exchange for a path to citizenship for the Dreamers.
6. Half of the illegal population is from visa overstays, not border crossings. Better border protection alone is a piss poor way of reforming the immigration system if you are serious about curtailing illegal immigration.
7. Trump and his supporters want a blank check for a undefined "wall". I doubt they would give such a check to Obama without finding out exactly how the tax dollars will be spent, particularly with a president who has not divested himself of his own private business interests.
8. This whole thing was supposed to be paid for by the windfall from a new NAFTA deal with Mexico. That was his campaign pledge that he ran on, not making the taxpayer foot the bill.
The wall is a scam. It is nothing but a political symbol. There has always been bipartisan support for border protection. It isn't Democrats playing semantics, it is Trump and his supporters because they know they are losers and they need this symbolic win to feel like they got their way. They don't really care about illegal immigration, because if they did they would want to reform the system, not have a pissing contest with the lives of government employees, which includes thousands of veterans, because a wall sounds good to them.
1. Trump owned the shut down in his own words on camera.
2. The Senate passed a clean budget resolution before this all started.
3. The only reason Trump changed his mind was conservative media complained and made him worried he would lose supporters.
4. They already agreed on over a billion for border fencing/security and illegal border crossing has dropped steadily since 2007 by 80%. There is little evidence to justify the need for more funds.
5. He couldn't get it done after the 2016 election when he had majorities in both houses of Congress even after being offered a deal by the Democrats to fully fund his wall in exchange for a path to citizenship for the Dreamers.
6. Half of the illegal population is from visa overstays, not border crossings. Better border protection alone is a piss poor way of reforming the immigration system if you are serious about curtailing illegal immigration.
7. Trump and his supporters want a blank check for a undefined "wall". I doubt they would give such a check to Obama without finding out exactly how the tax dollars will be spent, particularly with a president who has not divested himself of his own private business interests.
8. This whole thing was supposed to be paid for by the windfall from a new NAFTA deal with Mexico. That was his campaign pledge that he ran on, not making the taxpayer foot the bill.
The wall is a scam. It is nothing but a political symbol. There has always been bipartisan support for border protection. It isn't Democrats playing semantics, it is Trump and his supporters because they know they are losers and they need this symbolic win to feel like they got their way. They don't really care about illegal immigration, because if they did they would want to reform the system, not have a pissing contest with the lives of government employees, which includes thousands of veterans, because a wall sounds good to them.