Democratic Party's formal gun control platform

[joko104]

"Democrats will
enact universal background checks,
end online sales of guns and ammunition,
close dangerous loopholes that currently allow stalkers, abusive partners, and some individuals convicted of assault or battery to buy and possess firearms, and adequately fund the federal background check system.
We will close the “Charleston loophole” and prevent individuals who have been convicted of hate crimes from possessing firearms.
Democrats will ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high capacity magazines.
We will incentivize states to enact licensing requirements for owning firearms
and extreme risk protection order laws that allow courts to temporarily remove guns from the possession of those who are a danger to themselves or others.
We will pass legislation requiring that guns be safely stored in homes.
And Democrats believe that gun companies should be held responsible for their products, just like any other business, and will prioritize repealing the law that shields gun manufacturers from civil liability. "

https://debatepolitics.com/forums/gun-control.160/post-thread

 

[Noodlegawd]

Pretty much everything you underlined is more or less completely useless to make anyone significantly safer. And people wonder why so many gun owners don't like Democrats.

Gun manufacturers ARE held responsible for their products just like other companies. Please let us know when car manufacturers are held liable for people speeding, or beer manufacturers are held liable for people driving drunk.

 

[TurtleDude]

You cannot buy guns online without meeting a dealer and filling out a 4473. Buying ammo online saves high volume shooters $$$. Democrats want to end recreational shooting

 

[aociswundumho]

You cannot buy guns online without meeting a dealer and filling out a 4473. Buying ammo online saves high volume shooters $$$. Democrats want to end recreational shooting

I think they want to use the online ban to prevent people from buying 80% receivers and ghost gun kits over the internet.

 

[TurtleDude]

I think they want to use the online ban to prevent people from buying 80% receivers and ghost gun kits over the internet.

that too but the ban on online ammo is to destroy recreational target shooting or to allow blue states to impose idiotic restrictions on shooters

 

[joko104]

Pretty much everything you underlined is more or less completely useless to make anyone significantly safer. And people wonder why so many gun owners don't like Democrats.

Gun manufacturers ARE held responsible for their products just like other companies. Please let us know when car manufacturers are held liable for people speeding, or beer manufacturers are held liable for people driving drunk.

True. Gun manufacturers have been sued and have settled in relation to defective firearms. Remington was known of this a few decades ago - rifles going off without the trigger pulled. That hurts when it's a 30.06.

 

[vegas giants]

"Democrats will
enact universal background checks,
end online sales of guns and ammunition,
close dangerous loopholes that currently allow stalkers, abusive partners, and some individuals convicted of assault or battery to buy and possess firearms, and adequately fund the federal background check system.
We will close the “Charleston loophole” and prevent individuals who have been convicted of hate crimes from possessing firearms.
Democrats will ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high capacity magazines.
We will incentivize states to enact licensing requirements for owning firearms
and extreme risk protection order laws that allow courts to temporarily remove guns from the possession of those who are a danger to themselves or others.
We will pass legislation requiring that guns be safely stored in homes.
And Democrats believe that gun companies should be held responsible for their products, just like any other business, and will prioritize repealing the law that shields gun manufacturers from civil liability. "

https://debatepolitics.com/forums/gun-control.160/post-thread

Republicans are big supporters of the kinder guardians program

 

[Noodlegawd]

I think they want to use the online ban to prevent people from buying 80% receivers and ghost gun kits over the internet.

If that's what they wanted, that's what they'd say. And what's next? Banning blocks of aluminum, CNC machines, and downloading software from servers in Eastern Europe?

 

[joko104]

You cannot buy guns online without meeting a dealer and filling out a 4473. Buying ammo online saves high volume shooters $$$. Democrats want to end recreational shooting

It means I will be able to buy .223/5.56 (AR15), NATO .308, .338 Lapua (long range sniper) and 50 bmg caliber. 44 magnum, .500 ammo - but I won't be able to buy black powder cartridge 32 or 38 caliber short ammo. I won't be able to buy ammo for my 1985 Springfield nor any other antique firearms ammo. In one way, it outlaws generally less-than-lethal ammo. But, then, when it comes to gun control Demcocratic politicians are truly ignorant.

 

[joko104]

Problems with microstamping that are discussed. Here are just 8:

1. Just file it off
2. They wear out
3. This traces to the gun, not the shooter
4. It is a way to set other people up by obtaining spent cartridges (called "salt" or "salting the scene") This could be done by individuals or the police.
5. Irrelevant for revolvers
6. There are millions - hundreds of millions of guns already - thus increasing the black market for stolen guns leading to more guns stolen.
7. There are cartridges that will not take the stamp
8. Picking up or catch bagging the cartridges

Salting the scene not only could set someone up, but could be a way the shooter could prove it wasn't him, by salting the scene with cartridges from a gun range after picking up or catching his own. Now he may have reasonable doubt that it wasn't him.

Here's an expert that gives a lot of other reasons - says there are at least 50 reasons why microstamping won't work.

NRA-ILA | Why Microstamping and Bullet Serialization Won’t Work

A firearm examiner dispels the myths of these common gun-ban schemes being pushed in states throughout the nation.

www.nraila.org

 

[bongsaway]

You cannot buy guns online without meeting a dealer and filling out a 4473. Buying ammo online saves high volume shooters $$$. Democrats want to end recreational shooting

Killing your fellow americans isn't recreational shooting and you know no matter how inneffective a law may be it's intended to cut down on humans being shot not recreational shooters or hunters. How long is a deer going to stand still and let you shoot at it? One round, two, five, ten, thirty?

 

[Noodlegawd]

Problems with microstamping that are discussed. Here are just 8:

1. Just file it off
2. They wear out
3. This traces to the gun, not the shooter
4. It is a way to set other people up by obtaining spent cartridges (called "salt" or "salting the scene") This could be done by individuals or the police.
5. Irrelevant for revolvers
6. There are millions - hundreds of millions of guns already - thus increasing the black market for stolen guns leading to more guns stolen.
7. There are cartridges that will not take the stamp
8. Picking up or catch bagging the cartridges

Salting the scene not only could set someone up, but could be a way the shooter could prove it wasn't him, by salting the scene with cartridges from a gun range after picking up or catching his own. Now he may have reasonable doubt that it wasn't him.

Here's an expert that gives a lot of other reasons - says there are at least 50 reasons why microstamping won't work.

NRA-ILA | Why Microstamping and Bullet Serialization Won’t Work

A firearm examiner dispels the myths of these common gun-ban schemes being pushed in states throughout the nation.

www.nraila.org

Let's not pretend that anyone in CA actually believes microstamping will work. If they actually cared what would work, they wouldn't be banning rifles based on the shape of the hand grip.

 

[vegas giants]

Until we get guns in the hands of kindergartens school violence will continue

Kinderguardians!!!

 

[Noodlegawd]

Killing your fellow americans isn't recreational shooting and you know no matter how inneffective a law may be it's intended to cut down on humans being shot not recreational shooters or hunters. How long is a deer going to stand still and let you shoot at it? One round, two, five, ten, thirty?

It's like you didn't even read what he wrote.

What murders would have been prevented by banning online ammo or firearm sales?

 

[bongsaway]

It's like you didn't even read what he wrote.

What murders would have been prevented by banning online ammo or firearm sales?

Maybe yours? You'll have to ask a republican, they seem to be able to see into the future by telling us what america would look like under a biden presidency.

 

[Roadvirus]

Until we get guns in the hands of kindergartens school violence will continue

Kinderguardians!!!

Thank you. We get it. You're attempting to troll the thread.

 

[vegas giants]

Thank you. We get it. You're attempting to troll the thread.

I guess you hate freedom

 

[TurtleDude]

Killing your fellow americans isn't recreational shooting and you know no matter how inneffective a law may be it's intended to cut down on humans being shot not recreational shooters or hunters. How long is a deer going to stand still and let you shoot at it? One round, two, five, ten, thirty?

why lie so much.

 

[bongsaway]

why lie so much.

I'm trying to compete with trump.

 

[TurtleDude]

It's like you didn't even read what he wrote.

What murders would have been prevented by banning online ammo or firearm sales?

the bannerrhoid movement is notorious for disregarding facts and making up stupid scenarios. For example-whining about 10 rounds for deer hunting is akin to complaining that a table tennis paddle doesn't work for golf.

 

[TurtleDude]

I'm trying to compete with trump.

so you admit you are lying. that's a good first step towards the road to recovery

 

[bongsaway]

so you admit you are lying. that's a good first step towards the road to recovery

Show me where I said that.

 

[VanceMack]

Killing your fellow americans isn't recreational shooting and you know no matter how inneffective a law may be it's intended to cut down on humans being shot not recreational shooters or hunters. How long is a deer going to stand still and let you shoot at it? One round, two, five, ten, thirty?

The people "killing their fellow Americans" are not buying guns and ammo online. They are gang members in rat infested rat controlled cities and we KNOW they have friends and family members with clean records buying guns and ammo legally, using background checks, in gun stores, and then providing those weapons to criminals. We also know tnhat the rats that run those cities know it and refuse to prosecute the criminals to the fullestextent of the law, let alone the people that buy them the guns.

No matter how you slice it...the piece of shit rats YOU support are still the problem.

YOU are the problem.

 

[TurtleDude]

Show me where I said that.

well your post was full of lies, and when I called you on it, you claimed you were trying to keep up with Trump. That's pretty much an admission of lying

 

[vegas giants]

It's like you didn't even read what he wrote.

What murders would have been prevented by banning online ammo or firearm sales?

What murders would have been prevented by banning weaponized anthrax?


Be specific please