• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every persons position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Dem AG Targets 90 Conservative Groups in Climate Change Racketeering Suit

bubbabgone

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 25, 2013
Messages
30,717
Reaction score
15,835
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
In a subpoena issued in March, the office of USVI attorney general Claude Walker demanded from Exxon Mobil copies of communications between the oil company and 90 different political and policy organizations “and any other organizations engaged in research or advocacy concerning Climate Change or policies.”
The subpoena was part of a national, coordinated legal campaign by state attorneys general and left-wing advocacy groups to use the legal system against companies and organizations that disagree with and advocate against Democratic policies to address global climate change.

Conservative Groups Targeted in Climate Change Racketeering Suit

When the IPCC projections don't pan out you have to try to keep people from mentioning it.
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
79,332
Reaction score
35,397
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
That is quite a liberal take on the Constitution..

No, just an unexpected application of racketeering law.
 

joG

DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 27, 2013
Messages
43,839
Reaction score
9,638
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Independent
No, just an unexpected application of racketeering law.

It might be an interesting approach to politics to subpoena every organization holding opinions to present their proof. At least that would put an end to most social programs, if voters are rational.
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
79,332
Reaction score
35,397
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
It might be an interesting approach to politics to subpoena every organization holding opinions to present their proof. At least that would put an end to most social programs, if voters are rational.

I am unsure why you think that would put an end to most social programs.
 

joG

DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 27, 2013
Messages
43,839
Reaction score
9,638
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Independent
I am unsure why you think that would put an end to most social programs.

Because viewed rationally, they are inefficient.
 

apdst

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 23, 2009
Messages
133,631
Reaction score
30,928
Location
Bagdad, La.
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Very Conservative
No, just an unexpected application of racketeering law.

More like the supression of free thought. Unless global warming is a law...is it?
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
79,332
Reaction score
35,397
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Because viewed rationally, they are inefficient.

But that doesn't eliminate the need for having them.

Our military is inefficient, but I think we should still have one.
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
79,332
Reaction score
35,397
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
More like the supression of free thought. Unless global warming is a law...is it?

Funny, I can't find anything in racketeering laws that make it criminal to think.

Also, the earth's climate is not subject to the jurisdiction of the US congress so is unlikely to feel the need to adhere to legislative requirements.
 

apdst

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 23, 2009
Messages
133,631
Reaction score
30,928
Location
Bagdad, La.
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Very Conservative
Funny, I can't find anything in racketeering laws that make it criminal to think.

Also, the earth's climate is not subject to the jurisdiction of the US congress so is unlikely to feel the need to adhere to legislative requirements.

Exactly right, which means it isn't a crime to disagree with the global warming theory.
 

joG

DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 27, 2013
Messages
43,839
Reaction score
9,638
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Independent
But that doesn't eliminate the need for having them.

Our military is inefficient, but I think we should still have one.

I am sorry. I put it sloppily. It is inefficient for government ie a public entity to produce most social programs. This is because they are private goods and not like the military public ones.
 
Last edited:

eohrnberger

Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 20, 2013
Messages
44,346
Reaction score
28,863
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
Conservative Groups Targeted in Climate Change Racketeering Suit

When the IPCC projections don't pan out you have to try to keep people from mentioning it.

The inquisition of non-believers has begun!

  • Punishing Climate-Change Skeptics - Some in Washington want to unleash government to harass heretics who don’t accept the ‘consensus.’
    Galileo Galilei was tried in 1633 for spreading the heretical view that the Earth orbits the sun, convicted by the Roman Catholic Inquisition, and remained under house arrest until his death. Today’s inquisitors seek their quarry’s imprisonment and financial ruin. As the scientific case for a climate-change catastrophe wanes, proponents of big-ticket climate policies are increasingly focused on punishing dissent from an asserted “consensus” view that the only way to address global warming is to restructure society—how it harnesses and uses energy. That we might muddle through a couple degrees’ of global warming over decades or even centuries, without any major disruption, is the new heresy and must be suppressed.

    The Climate Inquisition began with Michael Mann’s 2012 lawsuit against critics of his “hockey stick” research—a holy text to climate alarmists. The suggestion that Prof. Mann’s famous diagram showing rapid recent warming was an artifact of his statistical methods, rather than an accurate representation of historical reality, was too much for the Penn State climatologist and his acolytes to bear.
    .
  • The Climate Change Inquisition
    Speaking out against conventional wisdom is dangerous. Throughout history, few crimes have been more severely punished than heresy. We’d like to believe that, in this more enlightened age, we’ve left behind barbaric practices like the Inquisition. We laugh at the ignorance of the small minds who punished Galileo and Socrates for pursuing unpopular truths. But the Inquisition is alive live and well, having traded in its implements of torture for expensive suits and legal briefs. - See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/...imate-change-inquisition#sthash.sICxw3bj.dpuf
    .
  • 16 Democrat AGs Begin Inquisition Against ‘Climate Change Disbelievers’
    Beginning in 1478, the Spanish Inquisition systematically silenced any citizen who held views that did not align with the king’s. Using the powerful arm of the government, the grand inquisitor, Tomas de Torquemada, and his henchmen sought out all those who held religious, scientific, or moral views that conflicted with the monarch’s, punishing the “heretics” with jail sentences; property confiscation; fines; and in severe cases, torture and execution.

    One of the lasting results of the Spanish Inquisition was a stifling of speech, thought, and scientific debate throughout Spain. By treating one set of scientific views as absolute, infallible, and above critique, Spain silenced many brilliant individuals and stopped the development of new ideas and technological innovations. Spain became a scientific backwater.

    As an old adage says, those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. So we now have a new inquisition underway in America in the 21st century—something that would have seemed unimaginable not too long ago.

    Treating climate change as an absolute, unassailable fact, instead of what it is—an unproven, controversial scientific theory—a group of state attorneys general have announced that they will be targeting any companies that challenge the catastrophic climate change religion.

How soon will this tactic be extended to any aspect of liberal / progressive ideology and the people that doubt those?
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
79,332
Reaction score
35,397
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Exactly right, which means it isn't a crime to disagree with the global warming theory.

No, it isn't. What gave you the idea that anyone thought otherwise? "Thought crime" was something you came up with, not anybody else.
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
79,332
Reaction score
35,397
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
I am sorry. I put it sloppily. It is inefficient for government ie a public entity to produce most social programs. This is because they are private goods and not like the military public ones.

Why have the military be a public good?

Serious question. I'm wondering what the criteria is for deciding what goods should be private and what should be public
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
79,332
Reaction score
35,397
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Oh, you're free to think it. Just don't say it. But you can think it.

For now.

Ahhh yes. The liberals are going to start reading your thoughts and punishing yooooouuu!

Also Bush did 9/11 on behalf of the lizard people
 

Howler63

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 20, 2012
Messages
1,899
Reaction score
553
Location
Just this side of senility.
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian

joG

DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 27, 2013
Messages
43,839
Reaction score
9,638
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Independent
Why have the military be a public good?

Serious question. I'm wondering what the criteria is for deciding what goods should be private and what should be public

In short, goods that evade market pricing because they are non-exclusive are considered 'public goods' by economists. Their optimum amount of production cannot be determined by the market therefore.
The public can do a better job.

The article about 'public goods' in Wikipedia is a quite good intro that I can recommend.
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
79,332
Reaction score
35,397
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
79,332
Reaction score
35,397
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
In short, goods that evade market pricing because they are non-exclusive are considered 'public goods' by economists. Their optimum amount of production cannot be determined by the market therefore.
The public can do a better job.

The article about 'public goods' in Wikipedia is a quite good intro that I can recommend.

So what makes the market better at deciding the "optimum" social program?
 

Threegoofs

COVID survivor
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Mar 31, 2013
Messages
53,920
Reaction score
19,791
Location
The birthplace of Italian Beef
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed

apdst

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 23, 2009
Messages
133,631
Reaction score
30,928
Location
Bagdad, La.
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Very Conservative
No, it isn't. What gave you the idea that anyone thought otherwise? "Thought crime" was something you came up with, not anybody else.

These charges qualify as a thought crime.
 

bubbabgone

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 25, 2013
Messages
30,717
Reaction score
15,835
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed

Lindzen was right, whatever warming that was/is taking place was/is the natural recovery from the LIA.
The IPCC insists, for their well-known reasons, that it's greater than that and further insists it's all man made.
That's where they go off the deep end. Correlation is not cause.
Temps were increasing in the 1800's and it sure as hell wasn't because of CO2.
 
Top Bottom