Delta Variant

[mrjurrs]

I don't take Wikipedia seriously at all as the material can be edited by the reader. Thanks for trying, though.

All numbered comments are sourced at the bottom of the page. Dispute the facts? Check there. The fact that you had never heard of him before Covid makes your fear of Wikipedia editing pretty disingenuous.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I’m about your age but I have always had an interest in epidemics and medicine and followed the AIDS epidemic closely.
HIV/AIDS Activists Have Known Dr. Fauci a Long Time.

America, Meet Tony Fauci. HIV/AIDS Activists Have Known Him a Long Time

Thirty years ago, the NIH legend deftly negotiated between bureaucrats and activists. As part of Trump’s COVID-19 team, can he negotiate between loyalty and truth?

www.thebodypro.com

If I recall I was in San Francisco in the 90s and had a chance encounter with Dr. Fauci . I think he was attending a conference in San Francisco and I was visiting San Francisco with my Aunt who is /was a nurse and she was being presented with an award as one of the nations most dedicated nurses.

By the way..

Fauci has served under six US presidents, starting with Ronald Reagan, and in 2008 he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

The way Trumpers have been conditioned to treat him is one of the things that makes my blood boil.

 

[Ethel2]

The way Trumpers have been conditioned to treat him is one of the things that makes my blood boil.

Its all good
Two words: DELTA VARIANT
As Dr Fauci said, this country will soon be divided into two groups: the vaccinated.....and the infected.
Looking forward to that prediction coming true

 

[RAMOSS]

I found this on twitter. hospitalizations are near zero in the uk. The vaccines also seem to be quite effective against it. When was Dr Fauci ever right?

Well fauci is talking about vaccinated people

 

[RAMOSS]

Its all good
Two words: DELTA VARIANT
As Dr Fauci said, this country will soon be divided into two groups: the vaccinated.....and the infected.
Looking forward to that prediction coming true

Not me! The more infected , the more chances there will be a variant that breaks through the vaccination.

 

[Ethel2]

Not me! The more infected , the more chances there will be a variant that breaks through the vaccination.

Thats certainly a possibility.
The possible outcomes if Fauci’s prediction proves true that I can think of are:

1. The emergence of a vaccine resistant strain
2. The covidiot who is foolish enough not to be protected gets infected and becomes immune (hopefully after a lot of suffering)
3. The covidiot succumbs to the virus

I am hoping for #2.

 

[RAMOSS]

Thats certainly a possibility.
The possible outcomes if Fauci’s prediction proves true that I can think of are:

1. The emergence of a vaccine resistant strain
2. The covidiot who is foolish enough not to be protected gets infected and becomes immune (hopefully after a lot of suffering)
3. The covidiot succumbs to the virus

I am hoping for #2.

The thing is.. it will be percentages with random variations. All three things are likely, and the more people who get infected, the more likely that each of those scenerios will happen. I would more people get vaccinated, so there is a much less likely chance of a resurgence. I don't want anybody to suffer either, although I won't feel as much sympathy with people who are anti-vax without a corresponding valid medical reason.

 

[MaryP]

Oh Christ...more contributions to the panic porn industry. Your link is so typical...

a) Quote an "expert" who says "the virus may be more X" (X= something bad).
b) Quote the same expert who says the "the virus appears to have Y capability" (Y=something bad also).
c) Speculate on a worst case scenario if bad factors W, X, Y, Z, all line up as true.
d) Don't bother to apologize several months later when the "Andromeda strain" trope of death doesn't pan out.

Apparently neither the author or the "expert" cited was aware that the scare story is already falling apart...

Effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against hospital admission with the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant

The analysis suggests:

• the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is 96% effective against hospitalisation after 2 doses
• the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is 92% effective against hospitalisation after 2 doses

These are comparable with vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation from the Alpha variant.

In the meantime the India "sky is falling" hysteria narrative for the DELTA Covid Variant being far more infectious is also falling apart:

View attachment 67339266

You'all just love the thrill of end of the world scare mongering, which is okay. What is not okay is to forget its just the entertainment of wallowing in alarmism, not anything to scare your children with.

Whoa! What happened to India? Where'd that spike come from, but more importantly, how did they get it under control so fast?

 

[Sagittarius83]

In the absence or denial of real and large existential threats, I guess we can keep worrying about this.

I guess this explains the fascination of horror films. When things get boring we create horror because our western lives lack drama. This is stimulatory. Maybe psychologically predictable even.

 

[Sagittarius83]

Thats certainly a possibility.
The possible outcomes if Fauci’s prediction proves true that I can think of are:

1. The emergence of a vaccine resistant strain
2. The covidiot who is foolish enough not to be protected gets infected and becomes immune (hopefully after a lot of suffering)
3. The covidiot succumbs to the virus

I am hoping for #2.

I got covid and found it annoying. Could hardly say I suffered and I am glad I encountered something so natural as it strengthened my immune system as these things are intended to do.

Fauci is not the voice of science and science never spoke in harmony about this virus. Look at the different scientific approaches the Netherlands, Italy, Sweden, Japan and the US took based on their scientists recommendations.

Fauci is attempting to make this his identity and as all narcissists his revered identity is his raison d’etre.

Biology is the squishiest of the sciences and has been called the retarded science in the correct use of the term meaning lagging behind.

I was trained in the sciences but fortunately in a more rigorous field.

 

[maxparrish]

Whoa! What happened to India? Where'd that spike come from, but more importantly, how did they get it under control so fast?

They didn't get it under control (only 4 percent of India is vaccinated) - it ran its course and quickly spread through a population pool of the vulnerable. In other words they didn't make the curve flatter and wider over months of death (as has been our strategy) but got it over with.

I believe this is called Farr's law of pandemics. Left untreated its a sharper and taller peak that also ends sooner.

Now that is not to say its over. COVID moves in hotspots and its unclear to me if this infection was in most Indian states OR a few local huge urban areas. If there are major cities yet to be touched by COVID, it is reasonable to assume that sooner or later they will be.

So far, however, India has had far fewer deaths per million than most of the west.

 

[NewfieMom]

I got covid and found it annoying. Could hardly say I suffered and I am glad I encountered something so natural as it strengthened my immune system as these things are intended to do.

You were lucky, not virtuous.

 

[NewfieMom]

Fauci is attempting to make this his identity and as all narcissists his revered identity is his raison d’etre.

Biology is the squishiest of the sciences and has been called the retarded science in the correct use of the term meaning lagging behind.

I was trained in the sciences but fortunately in a more rigorous field.

Spoken like someone without an ounce of humility. I do not trust the wisdom of anyone who is so sure of himself that he brags about himself so constantly. Scientists keep finding out that the ideas they had were wrong and that they have to revise their theories. You do not sound capable of doing that. You have to be right first and then all the time.

 

[Sagittarius83]

You were lucky, not virtuous.

10 out of ten thousand deaths is not lucky.
It was extremely statistically probable that I would do fine.

 

[Sagittarius83]

When

Spoken like someone without an ounce of humility. I do not trust the wisdom of anyone who is so sure of himself that he brags about himself so constantly. Scientists keep finding out that the ideas they had were wrong and that they have to revise their theories. You do not sound capable of doing that. You have to be right first and then all the time.

when you have scientific credentials then you can talk to me again.

 

[Sagittarius83]

They didn't get it under control (only 4 percent of India is vaccinated) - it ran its course and quickly spread through a population pool of the vulnerable. In other words they didn't make the curve flatter and wider over months of death (as has been our strategy) but got it over with.

I believe this is called Farr's law of pandemics. Left untreated its a sharper and taller peak that also ends sooner.

Now that is not to say its over. COVID moves in hotspots and its unclear to me if this infection was in most Indian states OR a few local huge urban areas. If there are major cities yet to be touched by COVID, it is reasonable to assume that sooner or later they will be.

So far, however, India has had far fewer deaths per million than most of the west.

Yes because they have been naturally exposed to so much.

 

[NewfieMom]

When

when you have scientific credentials then you can talk to me again.

You are not in charge here. You just have delusions of grandeur, as well as lacking the humility needed to be a good scientist, if you think you are empowered to let me "talk" or to suspend my "talking" privileges on this forum.

 

[Torus34]

You are not in charge here. You just have delusions of grandeur, as well as lacking the humility needed to be a good scientist, if you think you are empowered to let me "talk" or to suspend my "talking" privileges on this forum.

Hi, NewfieMom!

I'm a retired scientist with graduate studies in a number of additional disciplines. Now, those with a degree in science can be just as nutters as those without. It depends upon whether they've incorporated a scientist's way of thinking into their everyday tool kit or not. Those who have will tend to follow facts and seek causal relationships to a greater degree than others. An example of how my particular mind 'works' can be found in post # 42, above.

My mother, years ago, had a nice way of correcting me when I got too uppity. She would say that when you don't have a college education, you just have to use your brains.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[Sagittarius83]

You are not in charge here. You just have delusions of grandeur, as well as lacking the humility needed to be a good scientist, if you think you are empowered to let me "talk" or to suspend my "talking" privileges on this forum.

You may talk to any member or post whatever you wish. I only ask that you speak to me when you present some scientific credentials.

As far as humility in scientists goes, I suggest you read about Isaac Newton, Galileo or Edison.

I am bored with this and wish you the best,

 

[Sagittarius83]

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Hi, NewfieMom!

I'm a retired scientist with graduate studies in a number of additional disciplines. Now, those with a degree in science can be just as nutters as those without. It depends upon whether they've incorporated a scientist's way of thinking into their everyday tool kit or not. Those who have will tend to follow facts and seek causal relationships to a greater degree than others. An example of how my particular mind 'works' can be found in post # 42, above.

My mother, years ago, had a nice way of correcting me when I got too uppity. She would say that when you don't have a college education, you just have to use your brains.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

What are your degrees and in what field?

 

[Torus34]

W

What are your degrees and in what field?

Hi, Sagittarius83!

My primary science degree is a BS in chemistry. It was part of a classical education which included courses in ethics, sociology, history, languages, logic and comparative religion, to note a few. Graduate studies included work in education and business, specifically industrial management. Along the way, of course, math courses. Philosophically, I would describe myself as a secular humanist. That puts me outside the present US dichotomies of red/blue, Dem/Rep and lib/con.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[NewfieMom]

You may talk to any member or post whatever you wish. I only ask that you speak to me when you present some scientific credentials.

As far as humility in scientists goes, I suggest you read about Isaac Newton, Galileo or Edison.

I am bored with this and wish you the best,

@Sagittarius83-

Thank you for your attempt at civility. It was clumsy, but I realize that you are not, by nature, courteous or empathic and that you at least made an attempt to be cordial.


I am not a diplomat presenting my credentials to a foreign court and you have no right to demand my credentials, scientific or otherwise. You may speak to me or not,

but do not expect my "credentials" to be forthcoming.


Do not assign me a reading list (Newton, Galileo, etc.). You have no idea what I have read in my life so doing so s extremely presumptuous.


Your state of mind (boredom) is within your control. You need not speak to me if you are bored doing so.


Thank you for wishing me the best.

 

[Ginger Ale]

Oh Christ...more contributions to the panic porn industry. Your link is so typical...

a) Quote an "expert" who says "the virus may be more X" (X= something bad).
b) Quote the same expert who says the "the virus appears to have Y capability" (Y=something bad also).
c) Speculate on a worst case scenario if bad factors W, X, Y, Z, all line up as true.
d) Don't bother to apologize several months later when the "Andromeda strain" trope of death doesn't pan out.

Apparently neither the author or the "expert" cited was aware that the scare story is already falling apart...

Effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against hospital admission with the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant

The analysis suggests:

• the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is 96% effective against hospitalisation after 2 doses
• the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is 92% effective against hospitalisation after 2 doses

These are comparable with vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation from the Alpha variant.

In the meantime the India "sky is falling" hysteria narrative for the DELTA Covid Variant being far more infectious is also falling apart:

View attachment 67339266

You'all just love the thrill of end of the world scare mongering, which is okay. What is not okay is to forget its just the entertainment of wallowing in alarmism, not anything to scare your children with.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Who cares.? Might, could, possibly, may,

What's a mask for?

That's exactly what you said 3 or 4 million dead humans ago.

 

[VySky]

The way Trumpers have been conditioned to treat him is one of the things that makes my blood boil.

Mr Fauci need no further than to look in the mirror for answers to his decline in credibility. The picture is quite clear

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