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Delta Airlines Warns of Increased Health Care Costs

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"Like many large companies, Delta faces significantly increased healthcare costs in 2014 and beyond," the company said in a statement on Friday. "Delta will absorb the vast majority of those increased costs so that we can continue providing a high value, high quality health plan. Consistent with our culture, Delta will always keep the best interests of our people in mind in connection with the healthcare and other benefits we provide."

Read more: Delta warns ObamaCare will drive $100 million spike in health care costs | Fox News

All I have to say is Duhhhhh!!!!!!
 

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All I have to say is Duhhhhh!!!!!!

"Delta will absorb most of these costs..."

Yeah, right. :roll:

They'll either find something to cut (as in, they'll find some people to fire) or they'll hike up their ticket prices. Count on it. Their shareholders aren't going to stand for "Delta will absorb most of these costs"
 

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All I have to say is Duhhhhh!!!!!!

I'm sorry, but you and Delta are clearly lying racists. Obama said that this measure would drive health insurance costs down by $2500 per family, not up. You don't think that you know better than the Smarter President Ever, do you?
 

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"Delta will absorb most of these costs..."

Yeah, right. :roll:

They'll either find something to cut (as in, they'll find some people to fire) or they'll hike up their ticket prices. Count on it. Their shareholders aren't going to stand for "Delta will absorb most of these costs"

:alert DING DING DING :alert

That is the part of the equation that never gets discussed as liberals/progressives/democrats will wax poetic about poor down-trodden workers but never seem to realize that companies have a legal fiduciary duty to their investors that trumps people's political philosophies. It is not a matter of what a company can afford always, and is very often what the corporate officers' duties and obligations are.

This is going to get worse regardless because companies need their stocks to perform well so that people like insurance companies will buy lots of it. There will be greater pressure than ever put on companies to deliver dividends so said insurance companies can create revenue streams independent of premiums received to manage this huge influx of new clients within the constraints being placed on them as to premiums, out of pockets and the like.
 

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How is this different from any other year?
 

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How is this different from any other year?

And have a winner.

What year has it gone down?

And the reality is that insurance companies will have a harder time dumping seriously ill people that will cost them money and will be unable weasel out of coverage for pre-existing conditions (especially the loosely and badly connected pre-existing conditions)....so their costs will rise.

It is funny...a common thread is insurance companies overcharging and screwing over policy holders.....yet Obama s the evil one.:roll: Every day insurance companiesgive m reasons to know that some hybrid of universal health care is what is needed.
 

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Obamacare was designed to fail. When everyone recognizes the idiocy of the law we are going to hear Congresscritters saying that we have to scrap it and go to single payer, which is what the liberals wanted in the first place. Oh, and John Roberts is a dick.
 

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just one more reason to go single payer. an employer should not be health care provider. time to upgrade to a first world model.
 

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You mean Delta can pass on the costs and/or cut costs, or go out of business.

Assuming the guys who are running Delta know how to price their product, they're already charging as much as they can. If they're not they don't know what they doing.
 

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They will just dump all employees in the end anyway.

UHC here we come!!!
 

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Stuff costs money. Delta can bear the cost or go out of business. It's their choice.

That's brilliant. So your solution is to drive companies out of business if they don't agree with the President's radical agenda?
 

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That's brilliant. So your solution is to drive companies out of business if they don't agree with the President's radical agenda?

The goal is to ensure access to health care for all Americans. The complicated system forced on us, a system with a number of unintended consequences, is what we have for right now. However unfortunate it might be, Delta must comply.

Whatever Delta and its employees face is not the worst to happen to Americans because of Republican obstruction and obfuscation.

Though the insurance exchange is supposed to bring down costs for people without job-sponsored coverage, it won’t help Hattey and an estimated 226,525 other uninsured Missourians. They make too little to qualify for government subsidies.

Yes, too little.

In a twist that wasn’t intended by the authors of the federal Affordable Care Act, most of Missouri’s poorest, working-age residents — those under age 65 and below the poverty line of $11,490 for an individual and $15,510 for a couple — aren’t eligible for government help.

For people in the gap, health insurance exchange won't help

A system which subsidizes the affluent and ignores the poor is an abomination. It is an outrage of unimaginable proportions.
 

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Ignores the poor?!!! We subsidize the poor while exploiting the middle class.
 

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The goal is to ensure access to health care for all Americans. The complicated system forced on us, a system with a number of unintended consequences, is what we have for right now. However unfortunate it might be, Delta must comply.

Whatever Delta and its employees face is not the worst to happen to Americans because of Republican obstruction and obfuscation.



A system which subsidizes the affluent and ignores the poor is an abomination. It is an outrage of unimaginable proportions.

First, you seem to revile in the idea of Delta collapsing. Then you call the health care bill complicated and forced on us and then you tell us it is the Republicans' fault? What part of that bill was endorsed, passed or liked by any republican? This is all Obama/Pelosi/Reid and the special interests they invited to the table.
 

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First, you seem to revile in the idea of Delta collapsing. Then you call the health care bill complicated and forced on us and then you tell us it is the Republicans' fault? What part of that bill was endorsed, passed or liked by any republican? This is all Obama/Pelosi/Reid and the special interests they invited to the table.

The Democrats are not blameless in this outrage. Their guilt, though, is less. Their offense is not one of commission but one of omission. They didn't fight hard enough to overcome the abuses of the legislative process by the Republicans. They didn't find a way to reach the goal in a way that included everyone.
 

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The Democrats are not blameless in this outrage. Their guilt, though, is less. Their offense is not one of commission but one of omission. They didn't fight hard enough to overcome the abuses of the legislative process by the Republicans. They didn't find a way to reach the goal in a way that included everyone.

That is the most laughable thing I've read on here. You actually think that the Republicans are the primary blame/cause of OBAMA Care?

Seriously? You actually think that? Because I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around that. What part of the bill did the Republicans put in that has caused this mess? What part of the bill did the Republicans put in period? Everything in that bill went through Reid, Pelosi and Obama and came from special interest groups. This was not a bill written on the Hill. It was a bill written in corporate offices and designed to make a very select few a ton of money. Throw in a few willing patsies like Caterpillar, AMA and AARP and you have a recipe for disaster. But what isn't in there is anything a republican proposed.
 

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Stuff costs money. Delta can bear the cost or go out of business. It's their choice.

Hey, and if ticket prices double, that will stimulate the economy and create jobs, right?
 

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The Democrats are not blameless in this outrage. Their guilt, though, is less. Their offense is not one of commission but one of omission. They didn't fight hard enough to overcome the abuses of the legislative process by the Republicans. They didn't find a way to reach the goal in a way that included everyone.

You mean they couldn't find the votes to enact single payer, is that it?
 

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That is the most laughable thing I've read on here. You actually think that the Republicans are the primary blame/cause of OBAMA Care?

Seriously? You actually think that? Because I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around that. What part of the bill did the Republicans put in that has caused this mess? What part of the bill did the Republicans put in period? Everything in that bill went through Reid, Pelosi and Obama and came from special interest groups. This was not a bill written on the Hill. It was a bill written in corporate offices and designed to make a very select few a ton of money. Throw in a few willing patsies like Caterpillar, AMA and AARP and you have a recipe for disaster. But what isn't in there is anything a republican proposed.

Single-payer and the public option were preferable to PPACA but they never had a chance because of the Republicans. The Democrats were forced to build a complicated system which was second rate from the start because of the Republicans obstruction and obfuscation. Remember death panels? They never existed but the convinced millions of Americans they did.
 

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Hey, and if ticket prices double, that will stimulate the economy and create jobs, right?

Markets drive prices, cost don't. If prices double or increase, it will be because the market will pay them regardless of Delta's costs.
 

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Single-payer and the public option were preferable to PPACA but they never had a chance because of the Republicans. The Democrats were forced to build a complicated system which was second rate from the start because of the Republicans obstruction and obfuscation. Remember death panels? They never existed but the convinced millions of Americans they did.

Single payer was never brought up for even so much as a discussion by the Democrats. The Democrats didn't want single payer, and it had nothing to do with Republicans blocking it, because there was nothing to block.
 

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Single-payer and the public option were preferable to PPACA but they never had a chance because of the Republicans. The Democrats were forced to build a complicated system which was second rate from the start because of the Republicans obstruction and obfuscation. Remember death panels? They never existed but the convinced millions of Americans they did.

But wait a minute. The scheme got NO Republican votes in the Senate. It got ONE Republican vote in the House. The Republicans have zero responsibility for the contents of the bill, the Democrats total responsibility. Let's face facts, OK?
 
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