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Deja Freaking Vu From William Kristol (1 Viewer)

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Lets go to war in Iran, and they will greet us as liberators. This is the new message coming from extremist right wing ideologues. So now, I have a question? Do they think we are so dumb that we completely forgotten that this the exact same line regurgitated from the leadup to another war? Iraq? Yea, I know, I know. We the people are just chumps, right?

Article, along with video, is here.
 
Yes we are chumps.
The neo-cons didn't completely get their way in Iraq (the oil wasn't privatized), so they need a new state to experiment on.
 
the only way it will be deja vu is if the left agrees completely, untill AFTER we are there, and then decides it was a bad idea.
 
Not very often will I admit that I agree with Pat Buchanan, but...http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51164.

...all this carnage and destruction has only piqued the blood lust of the hairy-chested warriors at the Weekly Standard. In a signed editorial, "It's Our War," William Kristol calls for America to play her rightful role in this war by "countering this act of aggression by Iran with a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities. Why wait?"

"Why wait?" Well, one reason is that the United States has not been attacked. A second is a small thing called the Constitution. Where does George W. Bush get the authority to launch a war on Iran? When did Congress declare war or authorize a war on Iran?

Answer: It never did. But these neoconservatives care no more about the Constitution than they cared about the truth when they lied into war in Iraq.
 
ProudAmerican said:
the only way it will be deja vu is if the left agrees completely, untill AFTER we are there, and then decides it was a bad idea.

Or if the right agrees completely, and refuses to admit it was a bad Idea even after it becomes obvious....
 
tecoyah said:
Or if the right agrees completely, and refuses to admit it was a bad Idea even after it becomes obvious....


how can fighting Islamic terrorists be a bad idea after 9-11?
 
ProudAmerican said:
the only way it will be deja vu is if the left agrees completely, untill AFTER we are there, and then decides it was a bad idea.

Its not....But by the above, I figured you were talking about Iraq.

My Bad
 
As a conservative I cannot defend the idiotic statement from Kristol. I believe the Iranians got what they deserve...their sevitude & poverty. It was of their own doing & laugh at them. And, when this most recent skirmish spins out of control & we find ourselves in the midst of WWIII in which Iran will be a player --- I just hope we have the stomach to give them what they really deserve - complete & total destruction/devastation.
 
Arthur Fonzarelli said:
As a conservative I cannot defend the idiotic statement from Kristol. I believe the Iranians got what they deserve...their sevitude & poverty. It was of their own doing & laugh at them. And, when this most recent skirmish spins out of control & we find ourselves in the midst of WWIII in which Iran will be a player --- I just hope we have the stomach to give them what they really deserve - complete & total destruction/devastation.

I was thinking the country might look a tad bit better as a glass parking lot.
 
Doremus Jessup said:
Not very often will I admit that I agree with Pat Buchanan, but...http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51164.

First things first, the neo-cons didn't go into Iraq for oil, land, or hedgmony. They went into Iraq for liberation, a truth that even Al jezera had to televise.

Secondly, Pat Buchanan? He's the biggest Isolationist in american politics today! His policies make no sense. Thus the reason he runs for president 6 years ago and carries only Palm Beach. By accident! This is our war. Last time I looked, Hezbollah was a terrorist organization. Thats the same terrorist organization that killed 241 marines in their sleep. Thats the same radical muslim ideology that attacked us on 9/11.
 
POLITICAL JEDI said:
First things first, the neo-cons didn't go into Iraq for oil, land, or hedgmony. They went into Iraq for liberation, a truth that even Al jezera had to televise.

Secondly, Pat Buchanan? He's the biggest Isolationist in american politics today! His policies make no sense. Thus the reason he runs for president 6 years ago and carries only Palm Beach. By accident! This is our war. Last time I looked, Hezbollah was a terrorist organization. Thats the same terrorist organization that killed 241 marines in their sleep. Thats the same radical muslim ideology that attacked us on 9/11.

First things first, you need to get your info from some different sources; the liberation line is a little tired. If I remember right, the first 2 reasons the U.S. went to Iraq were alleged ties to 9/11 and WMDs, and then liberation and the spread of democracy.
Secondly, I don't think you understand the idea of hegemony. If it was not a concern, the U.S. wouldn't give a **** about democracy in Iraq/ liberation, so long as Saddam wasn't an economic or military threat to the West. Unless of course the U.S. had a desire to go against its history and become some great benefactor to non-Western states.
As for oil, if it wasn't important we would never have had any involvement in the ME.
 
Doremus Jessup said:
First things first, you need to get your info from some different sources; the liberation line is a little tired. If I remember right, the first 2 reasons the U.S. went to Iraq were alleged ties to 9/11 and WMDs, and then liberation and the spread of democracy.

So why then claim it had something to do with oil?

Secondly, I don't think you understand the idea of hegemony. If it was not a concern, the U.S. wouldn't give a **** about democracy in Iraq/ liberation, so long as Saddam wasn't an economic or military threat to the West. Unless of course the U.S. had a desire to go against its history and become some great benefactor to non-Western states.

Wrong again. We always gave a crap about democracy, but moreso lately. The reason is simple. Democracies are inherently more friendly to the United States, less belligerent to their neighbors, and generally more inclined to peace.

Go against our history and become some great benefactor to non-western states???? Are you freakin jokin with this asinine statement? "Consider one of history's rare controlled experiments. In the 1940s, lines were drawn through three peoples--Germans, Koreans and Chinese--one side closely bound to the United States, the other to our adversary Soviet Russia. It turned into a controlled experiment because both states in the divided lands shared a common culture. Fifty years later the results are in. Does anyone doubt the superiority, both moral and material, of West Germany vs. East Germany, South Korea vs. North Korea and Taiwan vs. China."


As for oil, if it wasn't important we would never have had any involvement in the ME.

More moonbat nonsense in lieu of reason. . .So without 9/11 we would still be in Afghanistan and Iraq? Without a terrorist regime in Iran, we would still be looking to the U.N to "do something" about that rogue regime going nuclear?

Maybe U.S history and foriegn policy isn't your bag. Perhaps as another hobby, you should take up synchronized swimming or checkers!
 
Wrong again. We always gave a crap about democracy, but moreso lately. The reason is simple. Democracies are inherently more friendly to the United States, less belligerent to their neighbors, and generally more inclined to peace.
Thus securing our position as hegemonic leader.

Oil is the most important resource on the planet and with all of the oil company people in the administration, not to mention the neo-cons, you don't think there was any mention of it?

As for the quote dealing with the Koreas, Taiwan, and divided Germany, I'm not very knowledgable on Asia, but I'd say that support of SK and Taiwan were largely due to the containment of communism. West Germany was also a containment issue, as well as protecting the U.S.'s position in the global hierarchy. Why the three states succeeded while their counterparts failed does have to do with the efficiency of capitalism compared that of controlled economies, but in regards to NK and China the two were of a more agrarian communism than that of the USSR, which put them even farther back on the global playing field. Additionally, one thing that can't be overlooked is the amount of FDI that has gone into SK and Taiwan, whether or not they were democratic would have meant little without that $$.

Afghanistan, not sure.

Iraq, probably, but the U.S. would certainly still be there maintaining the sanctions and no-fly zones (e.g.: bombing and watching Saddam starve his people).

Iran, there would still be animosity and sabre-rattling.

Nah, forget the above, the neo-cons had plans for those three states (at least) well before W was elected, so we'd probably still be there. They just needed 9/11 to start the battlecry.
 

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