Definition of Conservative and Liberal

[TurtleDude]

True, liberals like to bash the rich, while conservatives would rather bash the unions. Conservatives are against illegals because they're afraid they might vote for liberals, even though it would be very difficlt for them to vote at all. They still like illegal immigration, though, because of the cheap labor. It is kind of hard to be against illegals, but for illegal immigration. It takes a lot of practice at Orwellian doublethink.

But, it can be done.

I suppose there are some conservatives who want illegals to depress wages but with minimum wage it makes it much tougher. But in all honesty, I haven't met any conservatives who like having illegals here. I guess I don't live near anyone with 10,000 acres of cabbage

 

[winston53660]

I suppose there are some conservatives who want illegals to depress wages but with minimum wage it makes it much tougher. But in all honesty, I haven't met any conservatives who like having illegals here. I guess I don't live near anyone with 10,000 acres of cabbage

Pffft, I know some one that made a fortune in their plant biz off of illegal labor here in Texas.

 

[TurtleDude]

Pffft, I know some one that made a fortune in their plant biz off of illegal labor here in Texas.

as I said no one I (repeat I) know

there are plenty of libs who crave low cost labor too--not only rich libs are rich through corrupt government dealings (ie Al Gore, the Kennedys)

 

[winston53660]

as I said no one I (repeat I) know

there are plenty of libs who crave low cost labor too--not only rich libs are rich through corrupt government dealings (ie Al Gore, the Kennedys)

The person I know, that I'm talking about, named his his dog "Stormin' Norman" after the general Norman Schwarzkopf.

 

[TurtleDude]

The person I know, that I'm talking about, named his his dog "Stormin' Norman" after the general Norman Schwarzkopf.

I hope its some big badass bulldog not some faggy little poodle:mrgreen:

 

[winston53660]

I hope its some big badass bulldog not some faggy little poodle:mrgreen:

It was a grippy Basset Hound. Gawd bassets are stubborn.

 

[dontworrybehappy]

Don't over analyize it. They're simply labels that people can use while in Washington to align themselves with their scumbag money sucking party of choice.

It's like chosing between salt or pepper. Both have their goods and bads, but in the end, they're really meaningless.

 

[Psychoclown]

Funny thing. I just had a discussion of a similar nature with my mother. She was telling me about some email crap she forwarded to me that claimed to tell the difference between conservatives and liberals. The first line she quoted to me was if "a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one but if a liberal doesn't like guns he tries to ban them for everyone." I stopped her right there and asked her, "So you're saying only liberals try to legislitate their personal beliefs?" She said yes, then I asked her to explain why social conservatives are such staunch supporters of drug prohibition, abstince only sex ed, and obscenity laws. Later she shot back how at least conservatives don't give tax dollars away to undeserving people (aka welfare). I asked her what about corporate bailouts and subsidies? The look on her face was priceless.

The way I see it, most modern day liberals and conservatives are the same - they want to use government to enforce their own set of morals and standards. The only difference is which set of morals and standards they want to cram down the throats of people.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Funny thing. I just had a discussion of a similar nature with my mother. She was telling me about some email crap she forwarded to me that claimed to tell the difference between conservatives and liberals. The first line she quoted to me was if "a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one but if a liberal doesn't like guns he tries to ban them for everyone." I stopped her right there and asked her, "So you're saying only liberals try to legislitate their personal beliefs?" She said yes, then I asked her to explain why social conservatives are such staunch supporters of drug prohibition, abstince only sex ed, and obscenity laws. Later she shot back how at least conservatives don't give tax dollars away to undeserving people (aka welfare). I asked her what about corporate bailouts and subsidies? The look on her face was priceless.

The way I see it, most modern day liberals and conservatives are the same - they want to use government to enforce their own set of morals and standards. The only difference is which set of morals and standards they want to cram down the throats of people.

Libertarians are the ones willing to let every individual make their own choices, whether or not they themselves agree with those choices.

 

[Mensch]

I would argue that a set of progressive thinkers started applying the term liberal to define their political ambitions. Liberal, throughout the rest of the Western world, means libertarian in this country.

I think this chart illustrates the differences among the largest political factions, without succombing to that restrictive left-right binary that so often groups many sets of ideas together under two huge umbrella factions.

 

[Captain America]

I disagree for many conservatives are not religious and many parasitic socialists are

I see it this way

If you believe that the primary provider of your own safety,wants and needs is you yourself you are generally conservative. If you believe that the government is, then you are a liberal

If you pander to the second class of voters than you are a political pimp

I would agree. Except, when you decide it isn't your place to dictate morals and determine how your neighbor should live, these days, they want to take away your conservative card.

Back in the day, conservatives left morals up to the family and church. Too many of today's conservatives believe that is the governments job. That's one reason the movement is splintered.

 

[Compatibilist]

I would agree. Except, when you decide it isn't your place to dictate morals and determine how your neighbor should live, these days, they want to take away your conservative card.

Back in the day, conservatives left morals up to the family and church. Too many of today's conservatives believe that is the governments job. That's one reason the movement is splintered.

Same can be said of libs.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Same can be said of libs.

Which is exactly why self described conservatives and self described liberals have a lot in common. Both want to run our lives for us. Both want to impose their values on the rest of society, they just have slightly different values to impose.

 

[TurtleDude]

I would agree. Except, when you decide it isn't your place to dictate morals and determine how your neighbor should live, these days, they want to take away your conservative card.

Back in the day, conservatives left morals up to the family and church. Too many of today's conservatives believe that is the governments job. That's one reason the movement is splintered.

true-I cannot stand bible thumpers pushing their faith on me anymore than I can socialists and other collectivists demanding I pay for their pillowheaded Utopian BS

 

[Chuz Life]

I remember struggling with the differences between Conservatives and Liberals at a very young age.

In grade school, my entire class wrote letters to Richard Nixon (4th or 5th grade).

We received autographed black and white pictures,... very cool at the time.

Even before that, I remember walking through water puddles in a nearby parking lot and looking at our wet footprints trying to decide who was and who was not too flat footed to be drafted for vietnam.

A baby cousin of mine said once around election time (late 70's) "are you a Republican or a Hypocrite?"

Not an election goes by without one of us repeating it.

As I got old enough to form my own opinions,... I finally decided both (Conservatives and Liberals) are easier defined by the issues than by objective observation. And even with that, there are areas where the roles seem to reverse.

Here is an old attempt I made at one definitition,... Conservative Unite!