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Declassified Key Judgements of the NIE (1 Viewer)

Trajan Octavian Titus

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http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/Declassified_NIE_Key_Judgments.pdf

The site is down for the moment due to all the hits but will be back up hopefully sometime today or tonight.

Dems who hopped on the NYT's bullshit bandwagon a bit to early be prepared to reep the whirlwind, because you're going to be screaming Rovian conspiracy by the end of the night.
 
Well, being that the majority of Americans are against the war in Iraq, and being that its common sense that it is nothing but a recruitment poster for radical Islam, and being that no one has read the report yet, I bet it won't be blowing up in anyone's face.

Of course, I am sure after you get your daily dose of Limbaugh and Hannity tommorow, you will be back on with some more talking points.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Well, being that the majority of Americans are against the war in Iraq, and being that its common sense that it is nothing but a recruitment poster for radical Islam, and being that no one has read the report yet, I bet it won't be blowing up in anyone's face.


Well when it turns out that we are more safe thanks to our actions overseas and that Iraq is the key front in the war on terror I believe it will. Director of National Intelligence John D. Negroponte has already said that we are safer than we were before 9-11 and that the NYT's reporting of the classified NIE is complete bullshit.


Of course, I am sure after you get your daily dose of Limbaugh and Hannity tommorow, you will be back on with some more talking points.

And I'm sure that when you read the Democratic talking points out of the anti-bush propaganda machi. . . . I mean the NYT's you'll be back with your own.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Well when it turns out that we are more safe thanks to our actions overseas and that Iraq is the key front in the war on terror I believe it will. Director of National Intelligence John D. Negroponte has already said that we are safer than we were before 9-11 and that the NYT's reporting of the classified NIE is complete bullshit.




And I'm sure that when you read the Democratic talking points out of the anti-bush propaganda machi. . . . I mean the NYT's you'll be back with your own.

You don't get it. We could be safer due to better homeland security, not due to less terrorists. There could be twice as many terrorists, but it could be harder for them to get in here. Just the same, that would not make the war in Iraq a great idea. It would not change the fact that Iraq has been a recruitment poster for radical Islam. It would not change the fact that there are more terrorists in this world today because we went into Iraq than there would have been had we never went in.

Some of you guys drop half your brain at the door as soon as you see an R after someones name.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
You don't get it. We could be safer due to better homeland security, not due to less terrorists. There could be twice as many terrorists, but it could be harder for them to get in here. Just the same, that would not make the war in Iraq a great idea. It would not change the fact that Iraq has been a recruitment poster for radical Islam. It would not change the fact that there are more terrorists in this world today because we went into Iraq than there would have been had we never went in.

Some of you guys drop half your brain at the door as soon as you see an R after someones name.

Apparently Negroponte and what the NIE really says is a little different from your bullshit assertions:

Negroponte said the analysis found that if the U.S. effort to establish a stable government in Iraq succeeded, jihadists would be weakened and "fewer jihadists will leave Iraq determined to carry on the fight elsewhere."

http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060924/2006-09-24T230854Z_01_N23197513_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-SECURITY-TERRORISM-DC.html
 
Orginally posted by TOT;
Apparently Negroponte and what the NIE really says is a little different from your bullshit assertions:
Why are you trying to use a hypothetical as a fact? If this. If that. If hasn't happened. que pasa mutha!
 
fighting crime doesnt create more criminals. fighting terrorism doesnt create more terrorists.

we were attacked constantly before we ever went to Iraq.

the idea that somehow, being there has created more terrorists that simply didnt exist before is definately a sign that many people leave their brain at the door due to partisan politics.
 
Billo_Really said:
Why are you trying to use a hypothetical as a fact? If this. If that. If hasn't happened. que pasa mutha!

Because you people want to cut and run, President Talabani said today that pulling out of Iraq would be a disaster for his country, and Negroponte says if we succeed in Iraq that it could spell a deathblow for the terrorists in complete contrasts to the Democrats assertion that our presence in Iraq is hurting our efforts in the war on terror.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Apparently Negroponte and what the NIE really says is a little different from your bullshit assertions:

If, thats a big damn if. Lets have fun with this.

If the fundies in America were to get Jesus to come back and throw lightning bolts at all Muslims, that would be a setback for the Jihadists.

If the next Bin Laden video was an underground Gay Porn video, that would be a setback for the Jihadists.

If Iran were to have a nuclear accident that turned virtually all the Middle East into a parking lot, that would be a setback for the Jihadists.

If Buddhism were to take hold in the Middle East, and most of the Muslims ended up converting, that would be a setback for the Jihadists.
 
ProudAmerican said:
fighting crime doesnt create more criminals. fighting terrorism doesnt create more terrorists.

we were attacked constantly before we ever went to Iraq.

the idea that somehow, being there has created more terrorists that simply didnt exist before is definately a sign that many people leave their brain at the door due to partisan politics.

I don't think for a second that we have created that many more "terrorists" such as we seen on 9/11 because of Iraq. What we HAVE created are a bunch of guerrila soldiers, that everyone CALLS terrorists as a result of our actions in the ME. Therein lies the confusion.

Remember....one man's terrorist is another man's Freedom Fighter.
 
ProudAmerican said:
fighting crime doesnt create more criminals. fighting terrorism doesnt create more terrorists.

we were attacked constantly before we ever went to Iraq.

the idea that somehow, being there has created more terrorists that simply didnt exist before is definately a sign that many people leave their brain at the door due to partisan politics.

Dude, thats absurd. If I kill your Dad, then you are probably going to want to kill me. Moreover, you might convince some of your friends of your cause as well. See thats how it works. If you could just kill the terrorists off, then one would think that Israel would have put a dent in them after 50 years. If you could just kill them off, then why is it that after the Soviets had been in Afghanistan for 10 years, and after they had killed over 100,000 insurgents, that they were still no closer to destroying the Islamic insurgency than they were the day they went in. In fact, much of the terrorism we fight today was born out of that war. War and violence is the breeding ground for terrorism. Western intrusion into Muslim lands is the recruitment poster for terrorism. What do you think you can kill an ideology?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Dude, thats absurd. If I kill your Dad, then you are probably going to want to kill me.

That's right it's a police action not a war that worked really really well especially on 9-11. How dare we kill terrorist scum. Maybe if we just ignore the problem the way Clinton did it will just go away. :roll:
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
If, thats a big damn if. Lets have fun with this.

Well IF the Democrats get power this November they will cut and run in Iraq leaving no chance for a stable government in Iraq this according to Iraqi President Talabani who was recently quoted as saying that if U.S. forces pullout it will be a disaster for his country.

If we win in Iraq it will spell a death toll for the Jihadi's the world over but the Democrats are invested in defeat in Iraq.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Well IF the Democrats get power this November they will cut and run in Iraq leaving no chance for a stable government in Iraq this according to Iraqi President Talabani who was recently quoted as saying that if U.S. forces pullout it will be a disaster for his country.

If we win in Iraq it will spell a death toll for the Jihadi's the world over but the Democrats are invested in defeat in Iraq.

The Republican strategy for the Iraq fiasco. Pass the buck when the Dems get elected, and then blame them for everything that goes wrong. It is clear as day.
 
These 'terrorists" seem to be like mosquitoes. You can swat till your face turns blue but they just keep comin'.

Hmmmm...... why we can't we just spray them with Raid? Like Saddam did?

Maybe not.......:3oops:
 
Captain America said:
These 'terrorists" seem to be like mosquitoes. You can swat till your face turns blue but they just keep comin'.

Hmmmm...... why we can't we just spray them with Raid? Like Saddam did?

Maybe not.......:3oops:

They found a few cases of "Raid" in the Imperial palace. It's part of what the neocons are calling the found WMDs these days. ;)
 
Captain America said:
I don't think for a second that we have created that many more "terrorists" such as we seen on 9/11 because of Iraq. What we HAVE created are a bunch of guerrila soldiers, that everyone CALLS terrorists as a result of our actions in the ME. Therein lies the confusion.

Remember....one man's terrorist is another man's Freedom Fighter.


this I agree with.

I also think certain people use the term "terrorist" when they mean "guerillas" in an intentional effort to be intellectually dishonest.
 
ProudAmerican said:
this I agree with.

I also think certain people use the term "terrorist" when they mean "guerillas" in an intentional effort to be intellectually dishonest.

Bingo my friend.

It would be interesting to see how many non-Iraqi bullets would be headed our way if we were not camped in their backyard. I mean, we have enough grief from the Terrorist terrorists don't we. Why we makin' new enemies?
 
ProudAmerican said:
this I agree with.

I also think certain people use the term "terrorist" when they mean "guerillas" in an intentional effort to be intellectually dishonest.

I think that is the first thing critical of the Bush administration I have ever seen you write.
 
Captain America said:
Bingo my friend.

It would be interesting to see how many non-Iraqi bullets would be headed our way if we were not camped in their backyard. I mean, we have enough grief from the Terrorist terrorists don't we. Why we makin' new enemies?


wouldnt you agree though that any iraqi bullets that are flying our way are the result not of honest, hard working iraqi civilians, but rather the work of those that would LOVE to see the country fall into civil war?

is it fair to give those "iraqis" (i use quotes because I dont believe they are the normal hard working civilian) what they want?
 
Iriemon said:
I think that is the first thing critical of the Bush administration I have ever seen you write.


lol. slow down sparky.

You were actually one of the folks I was talking about.
 
O.K. it's up the NIE rather than a call to cut and run as the Democrats assert is really a call to stay the course to ensure that Iraq becomes a stable Democracy:

United States-led counterterrorism efforts have seriously damaged the leadership of al-Qa’ida and disrupted it’s operations.

We assess that the global jihadist movement is decentralized, lacks a coherent global strategy, and is becoming more diffuse.

We assess that the Iraq jihad is shaping a new generation of terrorist leaders and operatives; perceived jihadist success there would inspire more fighters to continue the struggle elsewhere.

If Democratic reform efforts in Muslim majority nations progress over the next five years polical participation probably would drive a wedge between intransigent extremists and groups willing to use the political process to achieve their local objectives.


The jihadists greatest vulnerability is that their ultimate political solution-an ultra-conservative interpretation of shari’a- based governance spanning the Muslim world is unpopular with the vast majority of Muslims. Exposing the religious and political straitjacket that is implied by the jihadists’ propaganda would help to divide them from the audience they seek to persuade.

http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/De..._Judgments.pdf
 
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Trajan Octavian Titus said:
That's right it's a police action not a war that worked really really well especially on 9-11. How dare we kill terrorist scum. Maybe if we just ignore the problem the way Clinton did it will just go away. :roll:

You know, anyone with like 9000 posts in one year, probably does not possess a great deal of objectivity. Thus I am not quite sure why I get into these debates with you. Just the same, we are not talking about killing terrorists. Some 95% of the insurgency in Iraq is home grown, not foriegn terrorists. By and large its a civil war with Shias and Sunnis fighting each other. Now you may not be willing to accept that, just like you don't seem to be willing to accept that we did not provide Saddam anthrax for humanitarian reasons. Just the same, that is the case.
 
If Democratic reform efforts in Muslim majority nations progress over the next five years polical participation probably would drive a wedge between intransigent extremists and groups willing to use the political process to achieve their local objectives.

If the dog hadn't stopped to crap he would have caught the rabbit too.
Why do I say that? I dunno. Just popped in my head. :3oops:

Could you imagine Russia or China comin' here, kickin' our butts, and then we start eating with chopsticks?

Good luck with the democracy thing. :roll:
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
You know, anyone with like 9000 posts in one year, probably does not possess a great deal of objectivity. Thus I am not quite sure why I get into these debates with you. Just the same, we are not talking about killing terrorists. Some 95% of the insurgency in Iraq is home grown, not foriegn terrorists. By and large its a civil war with Shias and Sunnis fighting each other. Now you may not be willing to accept that, just like you don't seem to be willing to accept that we did not provide Saddam anthrax for humanitarian reasons. Just the same, that is the case.

Not according to Talibani:

Talabani: Iraq won't have civil war

By BARRY SCHWEID AP Diplomatic Writer
© 2006 The Associated Press

WASHINGTON — Iraqi President Jalal Talabani disputed on Tuesday reports of growing violence in his country and declared, "I can assure you there will be no civil war."

At a news conference, Talabani also leveled a warning to Iraq's neighbors that interference will not be tolerated.

Talabani projected a vastly different account of the security situation. He said it had improved since last year when many areas were in the control of terrorists.

Last year, he said by way of example, there were 10 to 14 car bombings a day in Baghdad and this year one to four.

Most of the fighting is centered in Baghdad, and since most media are in the capital they provide a slanted picture of Iraq's situation, Talabani said.

"The media is only focusing on the negative and exaggerating it," he said.

"We cannot tolerate more interference of our neighbors," he said at another point, with evident anger.

Talabani also denounced as "a big lie" a report last week by Manfred Nowak, the U.N. special investigator on torture, that torture in Iraq may be worse than it was under Saddam Hussein, with militias, terror groups and government forces disregarding rules on the humane treatment of prisoners.

Talabani said Iraq's constitution provides human-rights safeguards.
On Capitol Hill, meanwhile, Talabani told a group of six senators that setting a deadline for withdrawal of U.S. troops would be a tragedy for Iraq as it works to build its military and police forces, Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., said in a conference call with reporters.

Pulling out now would "encourage the militias and the enemies of a free and independent and unified Iraq," Lieberman quoted Talabani as saying.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4216141.html
 

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