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[countryboy]

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The DEA needs to turn around 180 degrees and follow the money. The cocaine trade moves billions and it has to be cleaned. They need to stop playing cowboy and smashing in doors of pot growers, but hire some accountants and so forth and trace the money.

Further, the US needs to stop with the whole jail thing. It has not even slowed the flow, all the war on drugs has done is keep prices and thus profits high for the traffickers.

But when you hit them where it hurts, the bank accounts you start getting results.

The "jail thing" is never going to stop in this country. It is a multi-billion dollar industry, which has absolutely nothing to do with public safety, justice, or rehabilitation.

 

[countryboy]

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incredible. pot isn't as bad as heroin or crack? ****, you'd think some of them had actually tried it themselves. maybe even a president or three.

If only Bubba would've inhaled.

 

[Fearandloathing]

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Hemp clothing products are not illegal in the United States.


Can I get arrested for wearing hemp clothes?

I don't know if I would trust that report. Look up Marc Emery, the prince of pot had never set foot in the US and served five years of a 15 year sentence for sending seeds. Seeds have no THC content, but was still harassed and through the help of our previous government was extradited and imprisoned.

With that as a reference, I would even think about pot south of the border and I DO believe those pricks would arrest someone for wearing a hemp shirt if they felt like it. I used to cross the border routinely and know what those ****s can do.

 

[Mr Person]

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It's a step, but it really ought ot be unscheduled.

 

[Chomsky]

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The "jail thing" is never going to stop in this country. It is a multi-billion dollar industry, which has absolutely nothing to do with public safety, justice, or rehabilitation.

I'm with you country boy.

The WoD and the privatizing of prisons are two of the worse things ever fostered upon the American people.

I was shocked to find-out that states have minimum residency requirements to contractually fill, in order to meet these prison corporation's demands. For instance, Ohio's legislature had to meet and tune their criminal statutes (making them more severe, require more & longer incarceration) several times after they privatized their prisons, since the state was contractually incurring unsustainable fines & penalties due to NOT incarcerating enough of their citizens! So the legislature changed their sentencing structure to better meet their incarceration goals! How can this even remotely be referred to as 'Justice'?

Ordinarily, we'd claim this is insanity. But it is not. It is the result of wholesale arrogant vile greed! The purest most evil greed! I rarely call anything 'evil, but I believe it's appropeiate use it here!

I literally see this as a "War on the American People"!

And it sickens me.

If only Bubba would've inhaled.

:lamo

 

[Lovebug]

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The DEA said it will likely decide in the first half of 2016 whether to reclassify cannabis in a category other than Schedule 1

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...g-marijuana-dangerous-group-article-1.2591306


Regardless of how you feel about the marijuana issue. I always thought that pot should not be a schedule 1 drug.

It was always silly to me that pot, LSD and Peyote are schedule 1 and Meth and Cocaine are schedule 2.

Great first step

 

[Northern Light]

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There's no plant species called marijuana. It's called cannabis. Get it right already.

It should be descheduled completely like before the Reefer Madness era. The DEA has been raiding dispensaries in CA, CO and WA for a while now and it's ridiculous. The States have decided that they want this medicine available by RX or practitioner recommendation and the Fed should have no part in that.

Not to mention the wealth of modern scientific evidence shows that cannabis is not this evil horrible thing that's turning children into criminals.

The main reason cannabis is still scheduled is because doing otherwise opens the gateway to hemp legalization, which is a much, much bigger threat to industry than just the smokeable flowers. All you have to do is look at the history of how pot became illegal in the first place. You can't legalize pot without legalizing the rest of the plant, which has many uses. In the Reefer Madness era, the industries that teamed up to make cannabis illegal were the pharmaceutical industry, the lumber industry, the petrochemical industry, and the alcohol and tobacco industries.

 

[Fearandloathing]

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The "jail thing" is never going to stop in this country. It is a multi-billion dollar industry, which has absolutely nothing to do with public safety, justice, or rehabilitation.

Another insanity of the USA. You are right, I had not considered the for profit prison thing, but yes, it does encourage more 'customers'. But then, when the prisons get over-crowded, the courts release people, some of them violent offenders.

I have been asking this question for years: 'Name one major "victory" in the war on drugs." And there I suspect we have the same answer as all the DEA, FBI, RCMP and whoever have been able to do is keep the price, and therefor profits high, pardon the pun.

The idea came about in the 60's and was promptly rejected, but what happens if you attack the market? What happens when you truly show what drugs can do, when you treat hard core addicts and there simply isn't that many of them.

 

[Fearandloathing]

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I'm with you country boy.

The WoD and the privatizing of prisons are two of the worse things ever fostered upon the American people.

I was shocked to find-out that states have minimum residency requirements to contractually fill, in order to meet these prison corporation's demands. For instance, Ohio's legislature had to meet and tune their criminal statutes (making them more severe, require more & longer incarceration) several times after they privatized their prisons, since the state was contractually incurring unsustainable fines & penalties due to NOT incarcerating enough of their citizens! So the legislature changed their sentencing structure to better meet their incarceration goals! How can this even remotely be referred to as 'Justice'?

Ordinarily, we'd claim this is insanity. But it is not. It is the result of wholesale arrogant vile greed! The purest most evil greed! I rarely call anything 'evil, but I believe it's appropeiate use it here!

I literally see this as a "War on the American People"!

And it sickens me.

:lamo

How is that even constitutional?

 

[yankintx]

Re: DEA considers dropping marijuana from most dangerous category of drugs in next th

The DEA said it will likely decide in the first half of 2016 whether to reclassify cannabis in a category other than Schedule 1

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...g-marijuana-dangerous-group-article-1.2591306


Regardless of how you feel about the marijuana issue. I always thought that pot should not be a schedule 1 drug.

It was always silly to me that pot, LSD and Peyote are schedule 1 and Meth and Cocaine are schedule 2.

I do not see the DEA downgrading weed to schedule 2, it would put to many DEA agents out of a job. Federal prohibition will only end when Congress, or the Pres in conjunction with the Attorney general remove cannabis from schedule 1. I do not see a Republican Congress allowing that to happen, shame as the majority of Americans want the plants federal prohibition to end, but then again politicians know best don't they?

Clinton has said she will remove cannabis to schedule 2, allowing more research into the plant, too the pro weed folks that is your best shot.

 

[Chomsky]

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It's a step, but it really ought ot be unscheduled.

Never going to happen.

Our government would lose the tax dollars.

Besides political placating, I suspect the feds figured-out they could make as much or more profit taxing it, as they could criminalizing it. So they set the tax rate appropriately, looking to long-term future income generation.

 

[countryboy]

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I don't know if I would trust that report. Look up Marc Emery, the prince of pot had never set foot in the US and served five years of a 15 year sentence for sending seeds. Seeds have no THC content, but was still harassed and through the help of our previous government was extradited and imprisoned.

With that as a reference, I would even think about pot south of the border and I DO believe those pricks would arrest someone for wearing a hemp shirt if they felt like it. I used to cross the border routinely and know what those ****s can do.

Seeds are another story. Im telling you, hemp products are not illegal in the US. Hell, even Walmart sells hemp products. http://www.walmart.com/search/?query=hemp

 

[Fearandloathing]

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Seeds are another story. Im telling you, hemp products are not illegal in the US. Hell, even Walmart sells hemp products. http://www.walmart.com/search/?query=hemp

No seeds are not, there is no THC in them. It may be true, but I simply won't take the chance. I have zero trust in the US law enforcement system

 

[Chomsky]

Re: DEA considers dropping marijuana from most dangerous category of drugs in next th

There's no plant species called marijuana. It's called cannabis. Get it right already.

It should be descheduled completely like before the Reefer Madness era. The DEA has been raiding dispensaries in CA, CO and WA for a while now and it's ridiculous. The States have decided that they want this medicine available by RX or practitioner recommendation and the Fed should have no part in that.

Not to mention the wealth of modern scientific evidence shows that cannabis is not this evil horrible thing that's turning children into criminals.

The main reason cannabis is still scheduled is because doing otherwise opens the gateway to hemp legalization, which is a much, much bigger threat to industry than just the smokeable flowers. All you have to do is look at the history of how pot became illegal in the first place. You can't legalize pot without legalizing the rest of the plant, which has many uses. In the Reefer Madness era, the industries that teamed up to make cannabis illegal were the pharmaceutical industry, the lumber industry, the petrochemical industry, and the alcohol and tobacco industries.

If pot were descheduled, the government's 'reefer madness' propaganda may backfire on them!

Pot could then become their much maligned 'gateway' drug, but not in the way the propaganda intended! Once it's found the legalization of pot has had a harmless effect on the republic, the people may demand we examine decriminalization of other drugs & substances! [as they have, to good results, in Portugal]

Then the 'War on Drugs' industry would be fvckd! :thumbs:

 

[countryboy]

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No seeds are not, there is no THC in them. It may be true, but I simply won't take the chance. I have zero trust in the US law enforcement system

They are where the law is concerned. Growing cannabis is illegal, therefore, viable seeds are illegal. Industrial hemp is not illegal, and myriad of hemp products are legally sold in the US. You are silly if you are worried about wearing a hemp shirt in America.

I don't blame you for not trusting law enforcement. It's sad too, because there are a lot of good cops out there, it's the bad ones that give them all a bad name.

 

[Lovebug]

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No seeds are not, there is no THC in them. It may be true, but I simply won't take the chance. I have zero trust in the US law enforcement system

I would assume that most cops would question what else but seeds you were carrying.

 

[Chomsky]

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How is that even constitutional?

No idea!

It might possibly have something to do with a government 'compelling interest'. along with the courtroom being a 'due process environment'.

But that's a WAG on my part.

 

[Fearandloathing]

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They are where the law is concerned. Growing cannabis is illegal, therefore, viable seeds are illegal. Industrial hemp is not illegal, and myriad of hemp products are legally sold in the US. You are silly if you are worried about wearing a hemp shirt in America.

I don't blame you for not trusting law enforcement. It's sad too, because there are a lot of good cops out there, it's the bad ones that give them all a bad name.

I have to cross a line to get there, a line where if you're white or Asian, you're maybe going to be spending a long time. A colleague, we will call him, has Epilepsy and as everyone knows the best treatment for that is pot. He made a quick trip to the US to buy some cheap Chinese made stuff and on return was pulled over by Washington State police. No reason was given for the stop. Another car arrived and the two proceeded to search every inch of the vehicle, buy found nothing...it was a rental.

They however took his wallet and in it found his medical marijuana card. They were escorted to the border and turned over to Homeland Security where they were again searched. Then they found 1971 possession charge for his wife. When all was said and done they told them as admitted narcotics users and one with a felony conviction they were never allowed to enter the US again.

My late wife was Asian, she took a lot of grief going to the US, and I went with her we both did. My wife was pretty quick to defend her rights and once she went off on the customs woman saying "don't be stupid, why would I want to live here. Canada is a superior country. We both believed the next two hours we sat there were punishment for that remark.

 

[Lovebug]

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Seeds are another story. Im telling you, hemp products are not illegal in the US. Hell, even Walmart sells hemp products. http://www.walmart.com/search/?query=hemp

It is not the effects of hemp sold at WM the DEA is interested in.

 

[Fearandloathing]

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No idea!

It might possibly have something to do with a government 'compelling interest'. along with the courtroom being a 'due process environment'.

But that's a WAG on my part.

Would not fly here. The Conservatives tried to bring in mandatory minimums because they felt people were getting off too easy. First test crushed by the lower court, upheld at provincial supreme, apelate and finally SCOC....who basicly overturned every crime buster bill Harper tried to get in.

Here the courts maintain the government can only set guidelines, and that it is only the court who can determine sentence.

We like this court

 

[countryboy]

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It is not the effects of hemp sold at WM the DEA is interested in.

Your point?

 

[Chomsky]

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Would not fly here. The Conservatives tried to bring in mandatory minimums because they felt people were getting off too easy. First test crushed by the lower court, upheld at provincial supreme, apelate and finally SCOC....who basicly overturned every crime buster bill Harper tried to get in.

Here the courts maintain the government can only set guidelines, and that it is only the court who can determine sentence.

We like this court

Well, there's a fair amount of things Canada does well.

Be happy for it.

I've always believed the quality of one's government can be measured by the quality of life and state of well-being of the greater citizenry, NOT on the state's economic power and military might - as important as the last two parameters may be.

Then as a Catholic, I've always been enamored by Greek philosophical thought that: "The greatness of a society can be measured by how those at the fringes fare".

If (through work and opportunity) I and my family are not healthy, happy, educated, and living well & long, then I don't give a dayem how great my government may think or claim it is.

 

[Northern Light]

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If pot were descheduled, the government's 'reefer madness' propaganda may backfire on them!

Pot could then become their much maligned 'gateway' drug, but not in the way the propaganda intended! Once it's found the legalization of pot has had a harmless effect on the republic, the people may demand we examine decriminalization of other drugs & substances! [as they have, to good results, in Portugal]

Then the 'War on Drugs' industry would be fvckd! :thumbs:

That's probably true... but the thing is, we already have the proof that decriminalization is the answer. There is a wealth of emergent research now about psychedelic use in therapy, and cannabis as a non-addictive medication for many conditions. Cannabis is now considered the "exit drug" in the research community because all the evidence so far is showing that people can use it to ease the withdrawal symptoms of other substances, such as opiates and alcohol.

Also? Portugal decriminalized small possession years ago and use has actually gone down, not up, because addicts can finally come forward for treatment without fear of being arrested.

 

[Chomsky]

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That's probably true... but the thing is, we already have the proof that decriminalization is the answer. There is a wealth of emergent research now about psychedelic use in therapy, and cannabis as a non-addictive medication for many conditions. Cannabis is now considered the "exit drug" in the research community because all the evidence so far is showing that people can use it to ease the withdrawal symptoms of other substances, such as opiates and alcohol.

Also? Portugal decriminalized small possession years ago and use has actually gone down, not up, because addicts can finally come forward for treatment without fear of being arrested.

Yes, Portugal is a shining star in the bleak landscape of drug criminalization! :thumbs:

The trouble I see is: many political & economic interests in this country have managed to demonize European social programs in the eyes of many Americans, to the extent that any comparisons to European successes have been delegitimized. Which of course gives these interests free reign over whatever propaganda the may wish to promote in their own self-interests.

I'm entirely blown-away by the efficacy of propaganda that would successfully urge citizens to vote against their own self-interests by denouncing such basic necessities as health, education, and freedom of one's body and possessions.

 

[Northern Light]

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Yes, Portugal is a shining star in the bleak landscape of drug criminalization! :thumbs:

The trouble I see is: many political & economic interests in this country have managed to demonize European social programs in the eyes of many Americans, to the extent that any comparisons to European successes have been delegitimized. Which of course gives these interests free reign over whatever propaganda the may wish to promote in their own self-interests.

I'm entirely blown-away by the efficacy of propaganda that would successfully urge citizens to vote against their own self-interests by denouncing such basic necessities as health, education, and freedom of one's body and possessions.

You can't fully blame people for the brainwashing that's gone on. Reagan started us down a path that's going to take a long time to undo. The DEA has had hundreds of billions of dollars over the decades and a relatively free hand to indoctrinate, and a large law enforcement apparatus that has also stoked the fear to keep people in line. The main reason for the damage is the anti-drug programs in schools. You always get the kids first because then no matter how irrational the doctrine, they'll parrot it for life.

Most people who are against drugs justify their beliefs with obsolete information that is now easily disproven or countered with better policies, but as we are a democracy, the majority-rules politics comes full circle. You indoctrinate the kids, then when they grow up and become the majority opinion, you, as the government get to say, "See? People don't want decriminalization!" They've also infected international policy with this non-sense so that they can turn around and say, "See? Even the UN thinks drugs should be illegal." Well, the U.S. helped form modern UN drug policy when Reagan was in power!

Nationalism works the same way, btw.