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Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)[W:202]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

ric27 said:
Correct

This is clear self defense

West pushing for clarification on provocation
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If the jury doesn't accept the self defense argument they can consider charges other then M2, manslaughter or even child abuse. What the state is doing is giving the jury three curtains to choose from.
 
Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

spanky said:
I'll say it again,where is MOM? West is getting his ass handed to him.
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The same place that Bernie is? Working on closing arguments.
 
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If 3rd degree murder, child abuse is put in, I cannot imagine the jury taking it seriously at all.
 
Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

West is brilliant
 
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West is closing. He's shooting himself and his client in the foot.
 
Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

Josie said:
The same place that Bernie is? Working on closing arguments.
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Probably, but mantei is doing a much better job then West.
 
Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

Josie said:
If 3rd degree murder, child abuse is put in, I cannot imagine the jury taking it seriously at all.
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If the jury thinks GZ is culpable in some way for this but doesn't agree with 20 or 30 years, they may consider the lesser charge with reduced prison time.

Am I the only one who understands what the state just did?
 
Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

spanky said:
Probably, but mantei is doing a much better job then West.
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Hehehe obviously not.
 
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Defense wins on the "provocation" fight.
 
Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

Lutherf said:
West is closing. He's shooting himself and his client in the foot.
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Wrong
 
Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

Josie said:
Defense wins on the "provocation" fight.
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Thank you. I was working while listening and I ended up getting lost in the argument. :)
 
Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

She really does look like Chris Farley, lol.
 
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Black Manta said:
She really does look like Chris Farley, lol.
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Excon previously said John Goodman... But yes Chris Farley is an even better comparison.
 
Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

I agree with the judge on that. The instruction is really not needed as he can argue it, media aside.
 
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West wants the jury instructions to be the def's closing argument...heheh.
 
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Am I correct that the jury will be instructed that the mere act of following cannot be considered provocation? (Real life is interfering, damn it! Ha!)
 
Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

buck said:
Excon previously said John Goodman... But yes Chris Farley is an even better comparison.
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Yes I did. But I also provided a youtube video with Farley in drag on the screen.

 
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Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

spanky said:
Weird, I thought you were in the middle regarding this trial?
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I am. I have no dog in this fight. I am merely commenting on the obvious.

But, on the bright side, if the judge is successful and gets GZ convicted, that's one less cop wannabe we have walking amongst our society. But, c'mon. You do not have to for or against Zimmerman to recognize this judge's prejudice.
 
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Can anyone tell me if the state has to overcome the self defense use first before even a lesser charge can be considered? I'm under the impression, they must find the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt GZ could not have used self defense in using lethal force.
 
Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

MaggieD said:
All she's interested in is not committing any reversible error. That's her goal.
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Well, I'm no lawyer but I do think they will eat her alive when and if the case goes to appeal.
 
Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

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Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

What's funny and forces me to think less of West is when his arguments start sounding like some of the posters here...heheh.
 
Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

Pardon me but Don West needs to be "batch" slapped. He's NOT going to win with this Judge. Sit down and SHADDUP!!

Here's the DRESS DOWN. LISTEN West you MORON!!! LISTEN!!!!
 
Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

Again the judge is correct in my opinion about the following.
 
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