Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)[W:202]

[Excon]

Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

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[Josie]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

Finally....getting started.

 

[MaggieD]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

Right. Use George Zimmerman's name instead of Defendant.

 

[Josie]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

The state wants felony 3rd degree murder now instead of aggravated assault.

 

[buck]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

The state wants felony 3rd degree murder now instead of aggravated assault.

I missed the begining, but from what I just heard is it 2nd degree, manslaughter and 3rd degree only, is that accurate?

 

[Josie]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

I missed the begining, but from what I just heard is it 2nd degree, manslaughter and 3rd degree only?

Yes. The defense only wants 2nd degree. The judge had to ask Zimmerman if he was aware and agreed with his lawyers.

 

[buck]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

Now I read:

Tony Pipitone@TonyPipitone State changes course: seeks only manslaughter and felony third-degree murder lesser includeds, defense maintains 2d deg murder or nothing.

So is the state attempting to skip the M2 charge?

 

[Josie]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

Manslaughter is in.

 

[MaggieD]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

It occurs to me that the inclusion of lesser charges is hardly fair to the defendant. The attorneys have spent all of their time defending him against M2, not manslaughter. I think this is a flaw in the system. The lesson being, "Do not over-charge or you will cause an acquital."

 

[davidtaylorjr]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

It occurs to me that the inclusion of lesser charges is hardly fair to the defendant. The attorneys have spent all of their time defending him against M2, not manslaughter. I think this is a flaw in the system. The lesson being, "Do not over-charge or you will cause an acquital."

They are allowing the manslaughter charge? This is bogus!

 

[Josie]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

Oh my God. The state is claiming child abuse to get 3rd degree felony murder.

 

[Black Dog]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

The state is desperate to get anything at this point. Sad really.

 

[PerfectStorm]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

This trial should have been stopped after the prosecution rested.

The judge effed up.

 

[Black Dog]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

Man our system is so screwed up. You are charged with one crime, you successfully are defended against it. Now the state throws one or more extra charges at you that you were not given advance notice nor allowed to defend against.

 

[Erod]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

So at this rate, the State will eventually be arguing for shoplifting.

You shouldn't be allowed to change the charges DURING THE FINAL ARGUMENTS OF A TRIAL!

Grounds for appeal for sure if convicted. This Judge is trying not to get lynched after the trial.

 

[niff]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

The state is desperate to get anything at this point. Sad really.

"Your honor. If the jury doesn't convict on M2 how about 'child abuse like with the six tear old and if that doesn't work how about convicting the defendant of picking his nose?

 

[Excon]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

Manslaughter is in.

I will have to review West's argument, but it sounds like reversible error if he is found guilty of it.
And that is besides all the other appealable issues.

 

[niff]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

"Your honor. If the jury doesn't convict on M2 how about 'child abuse like with the six tear old and if that doesn't work how about convicting the defendant of picking his nose?

How effing sick! Now AC wants to charge George with 'child abuse'.

 

[Excon]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

Man our system is so screwed up. You are charged with one crime, you successfully are defended against it. Now the state throws one or more extra charges at you that you were not given advance notice nor allowed to defend against.

Unfortunately, that is the way it is.
The populace in general supports such.
They want folks convicted.

 

[Black Dog]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

Unfortunately, that is the way it is.
The populace in general supports such.
They want folks convicted.

I know. I saw my share of the same thing happen. Just strange to see it in action as we did not hang around for this part of the trial. We testify and then back to work, lol

 

[Lutherf]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

Florida Crimes: Second Degree Murder
Florida Crimes: Third Degree Murder
Florida Crimes: Manslaughter

 

[Lutherf]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

West is happy!!!:lamo

 

[buck]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

Now I am back to being a fan of West. Good argument so far.

 

[MaggieD]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

This Child Abuse charge is ridiculous. Points out again how unfair it is that the state can, at the very end, through out a whole bunch of **** against the wall in hopes that something will stick. The state (that's you and me) ought to have to list all lesser charges when they indict or forget about them.

I know that isn't the law. But it should be.

 

[spanky]

Re: Day 13, Closing Arguments (Thursday 7/11)

West is looking stoopid again.