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David Irving Arrested in Austria

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November 11, 2005

THE historian David Irving has been arrested while on a one-day visit to Vienna. An expert on Hitler's Third Reich, he had been invited by courageous students to address an ancient University association in the Austrian capital.

He chose as his subject the secret negotiations between Adolf Eichmann and the Jewish leaders in Budapest, Joel Brand and Rezsö Kasztner, the so-called "trucks for Jews" deal, and British knowledge of the scheme from codebreaking. He has researched the topic extensively in Allied archives for both his Churchill and his Himmler biographies.

Despite precautions, the Austrian political police are believed to have learned of the visit by wiretaps or intercepting e-mails. Mr Irving had privately visited his embattled friend the German playwright Rolf Hochhuth on the way to Austria; they had not met for twenty years because of travel restrictions imposed on each of them.
 

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Aryan Imperium said:
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November 11, 2005

THE historian David Irving has been arrested while on a one-day visit to Vienna. An expert on Hitler's Third Reich, he had been invited by courageous students to address an ancient University association in the Austrian capital.

He chose as his subject the secret negotiations between Adolf Eichmann and the Jewish leaders in Budapest, Joel Brand and Rezsö Kasztner, the so-called "trucks for Jews" deal, and British knowledge of the scheme from codebreaking. He has researched the topic extensively in Allied archives for both his Churchill and his Himmler biographies.

Despite precautions, the Austrian political police are believed to have learned of the visit by wiretaps or intercepting e-mails. Mr Irving had privately visited his embattled friend the German playwright Rolf Hochhuth on the way to Austria; they had not met for twenty years because of travel restrictions imposed on each of them.

His idiotic beliefs aside, if he had travel restrictions imposed upon him and he broke those restrictions, then he deserved the arrest. Period.
 

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GySgt said:
What the hell was he arrested for?
It would seem he broke travel restrictions imposed by his government. Probably because he is seen as a threat and they want to keep tabs on him...who knows with nazi revisionists who call themselves historians?
 

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jallman said:
It would seem he broke travel restrictions imposed by his government. Probably because he is seen as a threat and they want to keep tabs on him...who knows with nazi revisionists who call themselves historians?

Well, he broke the law. Obviously, they were watching him and he gave them ammo against him. He screwed himself.
 

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GySgt said:
Well, he broke the law. Obviously, they were watching him and he gave them ammo against him. He screwed himself.
By being a stupid nazi or by breaking travel restrictions? :rofl
 

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In Austria it is illegal to say that the holocost never happened. You gotta love those no nonsense Germans lol.
 

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David Irving is banned from entry into many countries. He is NOT an historian... but rather a crude history revisionist and rabid anti-Semite. The British judge in the 2000 Irving vrs. Lipstadt defamation trial found Mr. Irving to be: "a manipulator of facts, a ghost-sourcer, a history revisionist, a Holocaust denier, an anti-Semite, and a liar." For additional information:

"History On Trial: My Day In Court With David Irving" - Deborah E. Lipstadt



 
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Tashah said:
David Irving is banned from entry into many countries. He is NOT an historian... but rather a crude history revisionist and rabid anti-Semite. The British judge in the 2000 Irving vrs. Lipstadt defamation trial found Mr. Irving to be: "a manipulator of facts, a ghost-sourcer, a history revisionist, a Holocaust denier, an anti-Semite, and a liar." For additional information:

"History On Trial: My Day In Court With David Irving" - Deborah E. Lipstadt



Mr Irving is a respected historian and even the trial judge acknowledged that he is a foremost authority on the Third Reich,despite the issues surrounding whether he is a holocaust denier.
It is still possible to see his books for sale in mainstream bookshops although international jewry has done its best to prevent his right to freedom of speach.
His arrest in Austria is connected apparently to alleged holocaust denial in 1989 and this is why he was arrested.How free are we if an historian cannot legitimately seek answers to historical questions and issues without being threatened with imprisonment?
In my eyes Mr Irving is a hero who has done nothing wrong but seek the truth,whatever that truth may in reality be.
 
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hipsterdufus said:
What goes around comes around!
"They came for Mr Irving and I remained silent and then they came for me",to adapt from the words of a certain German xtian minister.
 

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Aryan Imperium said:
In my eyes Mr Irving is a hero who has done nothing wrong but seek the truth, whatever that truth may in reality be.
David Irving sought nothing more than HIS truth. He is a proven revisionist and an historical fraud. No reputable publisher will ever again come within a kilometer of this flim-flam man.



 

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GarzaUK said:
In Austria it is illegal to say that the holocost never happened. You gotta love those no nonsense Germans lol.
It is not against the law to be a haulocaust denier in the US. Is this a bad or good thing?
 

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TimmyBoy said:
It is not against the law to be a haulocaust denier in the US. Is this a bad or good thing?
I think its neither good nor bad. Stupidity is not a crime, but it is certainly something we dont encourage. Besides, any "historian" who tries to revise history that blatantly is bound to suffer proffessional criticism to the point of humiliation...and so there is no need to legislate the levels of stupidity to which person can indulge.
 

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jallman said:
I think its neither good nor bad. Stupidity is not a crime, but it is certainly something we dont encourage. Besides, any "historian" who tries to revise history that blatantly is bound to suffer proffessional criticism to the point of humiliation...and so there is no need to legislate the levels of stupidity to which person can indulge.
Ohh really, so you would agree, but your own definition of what stupidity is, in this particular case, though it might not be a crime in the US, then stupidity would be a crime in Europe, am I reading you correctly? And is the fact that is a crime in Europe, is it a good or bad thing?
 

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TimmyBoy said:
Ohh really, so you would agree, but your own definition of what stupidity is, in this particular case, though it might not be a crime in the US, then stupidity would be a crime in Europe, am I reading you correctly? And is the fact that is a crime in Europe, is it a good or bad thing?
Well, I think when you start legislating against stupidity of any kind, you open the door for discrimination wide and it is hard to shut. The fact that it is illegal to denounce the holocaust in europe is kinda bad, because it sets a precedent for illegalizing any kind of speech. Like I said, the professional and public humiliation of being that stupid should stand as punishment enough.
 
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David Irving sought nothing more than HIS truth. He is a proven revisionist and an historical fraud. No reputable publisher will ever again come within a kilometer of this flim-flam man.



I wouldn`t expect a jew to say anything different.
You say he has no publisher? Then who is this?
http://www.fpp.co.uk/index.html

His books are freely available at my local bookstore who have not succombed to jewish tyranny in deciding what they sell.
 

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Aryan Imperium said:
I wouldn`t expect a jew to say anything different.
You say he has no publisher? Then who is this?
http://www.fpp.co.uk/index.html

His books are freely available at my local bookstore who have not succombed to jewish tyranny in deciding what they sell.
You think me a fool? Focal Point Publications (and website) is owned by David
Irving...

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Focal Point Publications or Parforce UK Ltd -- a registered company set up by Irving's Danish wife, Bente Hogh, and his accountant, Alan Kent, to publish his books. This puts it out of the reach of creditors.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/03/Observer030302.html

Irving's already published books are indeed still available at bookstores and libraries. However, when these diminishing supplies are gone it's the end-game... as no additional stock will be reprinted by the original publishers. In addition to his recent arrest in Austria, David Irving is also currently being sued in Bankruptcy Court in Great Britain by Penguin Books UK Ltd.



 

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jallman said:
Well, I think when you start legislating against stupidity of any kind, you open the door for discrimination wide and it is hard to shut. The fact that it is illegal to denounce the holocaust in europe is kinda bad, because it sets a precedent for illegalizing any kind of speech. Like I said, the professional and public humiliation of being that stupid should stand as punishment enough.
Before you start with free speech, it is important to remember than the Germans and the Austrians are deeply ashamed of what they did in those dark years. To say Hitler's name is provoke scorn. I guess they don't have time for nazi sympathisers who say the holocaust was all bull.
 
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"They came for Mr Irving and I remained silent and then they came for me",to adapt from the words of a certain German xtian minister.
Is this the quote you're referring to?

First They Came for the Jews
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller
http://www.telisphere.com/~cearley/sean/camps/first.html
 
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jallman said:
I think its neither good nor bad. Stupidity is not a crime, but it is certainly something we dont encourage. Besides, any "historian" who tries to revise history that blatantly is bound to suffer proffessional criticism to the point of humiliation...and so there is no need to legislate the levels of stupidity to which person can indulge.
I can't wait for Irving's new book: 9/11- a computer generated comedy. :roll:
 
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Before you start with free speech, it is important to remember than the Germans and the Austrians are deeply ashamed of what they did in those dark years. To say Hitler's name is provoke scorn. I guess they don't have time for nazi sympathisers who say the holocaust was all bull.
Your jew adoring anti-National Socialist anti-free speach legislation was introduced into Germany during that time of allied pillage of Germany,known as the Occupation.It is not a German law at all.People are not free to express themselves politically in Germany and Austria unless they toe the jew arse kissing line.
If the jews are so secure in their interpretation of what they call the "holohaux" then why do they fear free speach? Why are they seeking to foist this draconian legislation upon the United Kingdom as well? I will tell you why because the whole money spinning business is a tissue of lies.
 

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I don't think people should be jailed for denying the holocaust.
 

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4448896.stm

He was detained a week ago on a warrant issued in 1989 under Austrian laws that make it a crime to deny the Holocaust.

Mr Irving was stopped in the southern province of Styria, en route to Vienna.

If formally charged, tried and convicted, Mr Irving could face up to 20 years in prison, said the spokesman, Otto Schneider.


The head of the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust, Stephen Smith, said denial was not a matter of opinion.

"Austrian law demands incisive action to protect its citizens from a repeat of the past," he added.
 

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Aryan Imperium said:
Your jew adoring anti-National Socialist anti-free speach legislation was introduced into Germany during that time of allied pillage of Germany,known as the Occupation.It is not a German law at all.People are not free to express themselves politically in Germany and Austria unless they toe the jew arse kissing line.
If the jews are so secure in their interpretation of what they call the "holohaux" then why do they fear free speach? Why are they seeking to foist this draconian legislation upon the United Kingdom as well? I will tell you why because the whole money spinning business is a tissue of lies.
I'm too old to beleive in conspiracy theories about jews running Europe. A jew never harmed me personally. How many jews are in the Austrian government and German government? Not many, since they were wiped out 60 years ago.

The holocaust a hoax? That's not what my grandfather said to me, when he liberated a camp, the piles of dead malnourished bodies.

Believe in conspiracy theories if you want. Maybe I should start believing that Aliens crashed in Roswell.
 
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