Daughter of Pro-Trump Evangelical Pastor Calls Out Father for Calling Dems Evil: 'That's Me'

[bearpoker]

I doubt he forgets his kids are liberals and I bet he hates it. It doesn't mean he doesn't love his kids, but just believes they are wrong. He supports his beliefs.

And he's ready to go to war against them.

 

[Chillfolks]

If your father is acting inappropriately, you need to call that out. Who knows? Maybe they have tried to talk to him in the past and he hasn’t listened and they’ve had enough of his crap.

I guess we diagree on what is or isn't an appropriate reaction. My family deals with disagreements like this in a more closed door fashion.

 

[bearpoker]

The Democratic party has been a coalition of identity groups since FDR - that's one of the major reasons he was so successful. It wasn't a Repubkican who argued that the true benefit of the Civil Rights Act was that "It'll have them n-----s voting [for us] for 200 years", it was LBJ.

More right wing smears.

Did LBJ Say 'I'll Have Those N*****s Voting Democratic for 200 Years'?

A viral quote attributed to LBJ since the 1990s features the 36th president uttering the N-word and stating a cynical motive for his civil rights stance.

www.snopes.com

 

[cpwill]

Right...a whole bunch of identity groups that have no choice, but to unite in order to defend ourselves against the White Christian tribe.

You think 1930s Teamsters had to protect themselves from Whites? Southern Democrats in the 1940s?

False Quote. He said we've lost the South. He didn't say blacks would vote for Democrats he said racist white people would vote against them.

according to eyewitness, he said both. Casual racism, like several other forms of abuse of others, was sadly very typical of him.

Democrats have never elected a Socialist President. Not even a Democratic Socialist which is very different.
Republicans have elected almost nothing but Racists.
Democrats generalization is very accurate. Republicans generalization isn't even in the ballpark.

Thank you for the demonstration of my point.

Out of curiosity, do you know which racist Republican President said:

These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness.​

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I'll give you a hint: he was from Texas, had a history of opposing anti-lynching bills, and we discussed another quote of his just above.



Any time someone tries to sell you a simple morality tale of Our Tribe Good, Their Tribe Evil, whether it's the Pastor from the OP, or whoever taught you too say that, beware.

 

[cpwill]

More right wing smears.

Didn't read the article, huh.

A breakdown of it: https://www.intellectualtakeout.org...ave-those-nggers-voting-democratic-200-years/

 

[bearpoker]

Uhuh. My father in law tells the same story, except it's W Bush, and the big ole meanies are Those Crazy Hate-Filled Liberals.

Really? What liberal talk show host has been accusing conservatives of everything from hating American to sex trafficing children. From Limbaugh to Tucker they've been pushing their hateful drivel for 30 years.

 

[bearpoker]

according to eyewitness, he said both. Casual racism, like several other forms of abuse of others, was sadly very typical of him.

link?

 

[cpwill]

link?

Ironically, you provided it. Feel free to check post 30 as well.

 

[cpwill]

Really? What liberal talk show host has been accusing conservatives of everything from hating American to sex trafficing children. From Limbaugh to Tucker they've been pushing their hateful drivel for 30 years.

This is the theory that a Democratic vice president would never tell black people that Republicans are gonna put them back in chains?

 

[MrWonka]

You think 1930s Teamsters had to protect themselves from Whites? Southern Democrats in the 1940s?

As has already been stated in this thread Richard Nixon invented the modern incarnation of the Republican party. He devised the Southern Strategy of attracting racist white southerners who were angry about Civil Rights. That is the playbook that every Republican president has been following since Nixon and Trump is 100% proof of it.

Thank you for the demonstration of my point.

Out of curiosity, do you know which racist Republican President said:

These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness.

I'll give you a hint: he was from Texas, had a history of opposing anti-lynching bills, and we discussed another quote of his just above.

It was a man who realized he was wrong and shed his ignorance to do the right thing.

As has already been stated in this thread, Richard Nixon invented the modern incarnation of the Republican party. He devised the Southern Strategy of attracting racist white southerners who were angry about Civil Rights. That is the playbook that every Republican president has been following since Nixon and Trump is 100% proof of it.

I repeated that statement on purpose because it answers both of your idiotic "points." The Democratic party learned from its past mistakes. When Democrats stopped appealing only to whites and moved away from tribalism Republicans embraced it to include the racist garbage that opposed Civil Rights.

Democrats are the party of science, facts, math, economics, and inclusion. Republicans are the party of racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, religious zealotry, and tribalism.

You're only lying to yourself.

 

[bearpoker]

Didn't read the article, huh.

A breakdown of it: https://www.intellectualtakeout.org...ave-those-nggers-voting-democratic-200-years/

From your link:

We likely never will know for certain if LBJ said what MacMillan claims, but Snopes’ case falls short of casting serious doubt on the testimony of an eyewitness account.

Since your source admits this is speculation, I'm surprised that you used it. Actually, Johnson did use the N word. He was a product of his time and place. He also did get the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights passed and the result of that was that he gutted the base of his party in the South. That we know for sure. Right wing posters here enjoy pretending that Southern Democrats of the 19th and the first half of the 20th century are representative of the modern Democratic party. This is their favorite smear, but it's only one of many.

 

[vesper]

Another story from a left-wing rag and the idiots on the left and the right comment on it as if it is completely true. What is wrong with this picture?

 

[bearpoker]

This is the theory that a Democratic vice president would never tell black people that Republicans are gonna put them back in chains?

Yeah, politicians indulge in that sort of hyperbole. I don't remember that being constantly hammered by right wing news outlets and talk show hosts like "Biden stole the election" "Democrats are coming for your guns" "Democrats are socialists" "Obama is a Muslim who hates white people". It just goes on and on and on.

 

[Crosscheck]

Why is it old fat lardasses start clamoring for "war" when it is obvious he is so out of shape he couldn't muster one sit up?

Yeah, he looks battle ready.

 

[reflechissez]

Another story from a left-wing rag and the idiots on the left and the right comment on it as if it is completely true. What is wrong with this picture?

It's not true? Can you post a source for your assertion?

 

[cpwill]

As has already been stated in this thread Richard Nixon invented the modern incarnation of the Republican party.

Nah. At current, Trump is the major shaper of the Republican Party. Prior to that, it was Reagan.

Although I have to say

He devised the Southern Strategy of attracting racist white southerners

That I appreciate your insistence on only seeing things through a tribal lens, and helping to demonstrate my point.

It was a man who realized he was wrong and shed his ignorance to do the right thing.

Nah. LBJ was, and remained, a bastard.

Democrats are the party of science, facts, math, economics, and inclusion. Republicans are the party of racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, religious zealotry, and tribalism.

And @Cardinal thought it was Rush Limbaugh &co who were entirely to blame for their belief that you look down on and dislike them.

Maybe next you should do the classic "It's okay because whites are going to become a minority in the future and then we're gonna dominate you" so we can talk about the possible places where non college educated whites may have picked up the idea that the left is racially hostile to them.

 

[cpwill]

From your link:

Since your source admits this is speculation, I'm surprised that you used it.

I like discussion of original sources. In this case, a military officer assigned to be there serving the President at the time; an eyewitness, which is the same sourcing as the other quote.

Actually, Johnson did use the N word. He was a product of his time and place. He also did get the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights passed and the result of that was that he gutted the base of his party in the South. That we know for sure. Right wing posters here enjoy pretending that Southern Democrats of the 19th and the first half of the 20th century are representative of the modern Democratic party. This is their favorite smear, but it's only one of many.

And Democrats like to pretend they are representative - oddly - of the modern Republican Party, and that every cause they agree with is the Civil Rights Movement of that era. That Not Everything Is About The Boomers Formative Years is a truth that still seems to escape us.

 

[cpwill]

Yeah, politicians indulge in that sort of hyperbole. I don't remember that being constantly hammered by right wing news outlets and talk show hosts like "Biden stole the election" "Democrats are coming for your guns" "Democrats are socialists" "Obama is a Muslim who hates white people". It just goes on and on and on.

Oh. So when your tribe does it, hey, I mean, it's hyperbole, everyone knows people use hyperbole in politics, but when the other tribe does it, it's a peak into their True Soul.

Uhuh.

 

[Logician Man]

I never claimed the preacher acted appropriate. Two wrongs don't make a right.

What is "wrong" with anyone, regardless of political lean, calling out someone who is openly advocating for "civil war." Specifics, please.

 

[Allan]

Daddy preacher is a real winner!! Get ready for war against Liberals while all of his children are Liberals. The FBI needs to check him out.

Daughter of Pro-Trump Evangelical Pastor Calls Out Father for Calling Dems Evil: 'That's Me' (msn.com)
Back in September, Joyner, 71, urged American Christians to "mobilize" and "get ready" for a war against liberal activists. The religious leader reiterated those views earlier this month. "It will be a civil war and it's going to be increasingly worse with the increasing time it takes for Americans to stand up and push back against this evil that has taken over our land," Joyner said on The Jim Bakker Show.

But Joyner's children have pointed out that, if any such conflict were to actually break out, they'd be aligned with the side opposite their father.

"He talks about Democrats being evil, forgetting that all five of his kids vote Democratic," Joyner's eldest child, Anna Jane Joyner, 36, a climate change activist and podcast host, told The New York Times recently. "Who is he asking his followers to take up arms against? Liberal activists? That's me."

That's shocking. That a preacher would call people 'evil' and incite violence toward them just because they vote for a different party is something I'd expect to see from a 3rd world leader. US leaders need to tamp this type of thing down. Allowed to spread this kind of rhetoric can have serious consequences.

 

[Torus34]

The OP story, if true, bears witness to the wisdom of keeping church and state separate.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[roguenuke]

Didn't read the article, huh.

A breakdown of it: https://www.intellectualtakeout.org...ave-those-nggers-voting-democratic-200-years/

You do understand that Democrats in the North and Democrats in the South were very different during the time of LBJ, right? In fact, the same is true for Republicans in those regions. Politics during that specific time in history were much more divided by region than Party, especially when it came to race issues. Texas and Georgia were still part of the South.

 

[cpwill]

You do understand that Democrats in the North and Democrats in the South were very different during the time of LBJ, right? In fact, the same is true for Republicans in those regions. Politics during that specific time in history were much more divided by region than Party, especially when it came to race issues. Texas and Georgia were still part of the South.

Indeed. Black urban northerners, southern whites, and midwestern farmers weren't exactly what you call naturally ideologically aligned. As I said, it was a coalition of different identity groups.

 

[roguenuke]

Indeed. Black urban northerners, southern whites, and midwestern farmers weren't exactly what you call naturally ideologically aligned. As I said, it was a coalition of different identity groups.

And that has since changed. There is still some separation between Democrats from certain areas (more rural vs urban vs suburban) but there are some things that much more closely unite Republicans, such as religion, being conservative, hating Democrats/liberal policies, etc. Hating Democrats is a thing much more than hating Republicans is a thing (although it is getting much more balance, but this is new and mainly because of Trump and how much the Republican Party embraced him).

Partisanship and Political Animosity in 2016

The 2016 campaign is unfolding against a backdrop of intense partisan division and animosity. Partisans’ views of the opposing party are now more negative than at any point in nearly a quarter of a century.

www.pewresearch.org

There has been "hate" for the Republican Party from some Dems, but that has grown more in the last 4 years due to Trump and the Republicans embracing him and his policies than it is due to some talking heads telling people to hate them, telling them "they are bad people and this is why".

The pewresearch above shows an interesting representation of this.

Negative roots of partisanship – and partisan leaning

This is an example of how the Parties differ. The most important thing listed for the Dem respondents was "Dem policies good for country", whereas the most important thing listed for the Repub respondents was "Dem policies bad for country". That means more Dems consider it important that their policies are good for the country (vice the GOP policies being bad for the country) than Repubs do the opposite position.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

Trump retweeted a video where the man in it flat out said 'the only good Dem is a dead Dem'..... Until a Dem POTUS says or retweets a similar threat directed at Republicans, then both sides ARE NOT THE SAME..... Not even close.

The rhetoric and threats from the Right has far outpaced any other political party over the past 10 years or so..