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[ss6gogetenks]

What's been happening in Darfur is heartbreaking.the tragedies that have happened to children and mothers - while their families watched helplessly, are undescribeable. It certainly can't be conveyed the devastation felt by millions as they watched their villages and homes burn to the ground.
Right now, the Sudanese government and the rebels that oppose them are negotiating a peace deal. Unfortunately, the last peace agreement, signed two years ago, has been all but ignored while tens of thousands of innocent people have been killed.
This is an absolutely crucial moment for Darfur
Will you help keep up the pressure for a ceasefire?
Click here to donate TODAYhttps://secure.ga1.org/05/darfur/nip20JBM1UB1J?
your tax-deductible gift will make a real difference
The work of Human rights first has been essential in helping to pressure the international community to intervene and jumpstart the stalled peace process.
It can not stop now.
Human rights first have been calling for the United Nations to appoint a special envoy for peace - the envoy is needed more than ever. A special UN envoy can lead the global community in keeping the pressure on the government and the rebels. The envoy will be critical in making sure a ceasefire - unlike the last one - is implemented.
These steps are essential if Darfurians are to live in safety and peace.
This is a critical moment and we cannot turn our backs now.

 

[Iriemon]

What's been happening in Darfur is heartbreaking.the tragedies that have happened to children and mothers - while their families watched helplessly, are undescribeable. It certainly can't be conveyed the devastation felt by millions as they watched their villages and homes burn to the ground.
Right now, the Sudanese government and the rebels that oppose them are negotiating a peace deal. Unfortunately, the last peace agreement, signed two years ago, has been all but ignored while tens of thousands of innocent people have been killed.
This is an absolutely crucial moment for Darfur
Will you help keep up the pressure for a ceasefire?
Click here to donate TODAYhttps://secure.ga1.org/05/darfur/nip20JBM1UB1J?
your tax-deductible gift will make a real difference
The work of Human rights first has been essential in helping to pressure the international community to intervene and jumpstart the stalled peace process.
It can not stop now.
Human rights first have been calling for the United Nations to appoint a special envoy for peace - the envoy is needed more than ever. A special UN envoy can lead the global community in keeping the pressure on the government and the rebels. The envoy will be critical in making sure a ceasefire - unlike the last one - is implemented.
These steps are essential if Darfurians are to live in safety and peace.
This is a critical moment and we cannot turn our backs now.

Wow -- the overwhelming response to this thread.

But sorry, the US is spending hundreds of billions of dollars in Iraq because of how the poor Iraqis were being treated by Saddam. So we apparently don't have anything left over to address matters like genocide in other countries, (especially those that don't have oil).

 

[PeteEU]

Is Darfur bad... sure.

But lets not forget the starving people of Ethopia and Etriea, Somalia and other similar places.

Lets also not forget about the child warriors of Uganda, Congo, Sierra Leone and a few other nations in Africa, Asia and South America.

Lets also not forget about child sex trafficing of Thailand and other south eastern Asian nations.

Lets not forget the millions of starving people in North Korea, and the hundreds of thousands if not millions in death camps in the North.

Lets not forget about the millions of Chinese that are no better off than the people in Darfur, being forced off land and out of homes by greedy political leaders .. all in the name of progress.

there are many more where they came from..

So whats so special about Darfur.. after all its been going on for years now.....

Just because Hollywood and some self serving politicans suddenly points out that Darfur is a problem, because the regime behind the problem is not a friend of the west, does not mean we have to jump and solve it. Its a harsh fact, that the UN agencies involved chose what conflict they can possibly solve and get most funding to solve.... Dont forget, we, the world, are not welcome in Sudan.. just as we were not welcome in Somalia.. and look what happened there.

 

[DivineComedy]

Wow -- the overwhelming response to this thread.

But sorry, the US is spending hundreds of billions of dollars in Iraq because of how the poor Iraqis were being treated by Saddam. So we apparently don't have anything left over to address matters like genocide in other countries, (especially those that don't have oil).

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/sudan1103/26.htm

“The Darfur crisis has become a celebrated cause in the United States, pitting the Bush administration against the oil-rich, Islamic government in Khartoum that drew support from the Arab world and resource-hungry China.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060506.DARFUR06/TPStory/TPInternational/Africa/

“The Arab League has rejected any sanctions or international military intervention as a response to the crisis in Sudan's Darfur region.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3545818.stm

“Secretary of State Colin L. Powell said for the first time yesterday that genocide has taken place in Sudan and that the government in Khartoum and government-sponsored Arab militias known as Janjaweed ‘bear responsibility‘ for rapes, killings and other abuses that have left 1.2 million black Africans homeless.” (September 10, 2004)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8364-2004Sep9.html

*****

“March 5, 2003: Bus bombing in Haifa. U.S. citizens killed: Abigail Leitel, 14, who was born in Lebanon, New Hampshire.” http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/usvictims.html

“The suicide bomber was 20 years old, a student of the Hebron Polytechnic University (from which a large number of suicide bombers have emerged) and a member of the Hamas terrorist organization.” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/861590/posts

March 13, 2003: “(CBS) Saddam Hussein has distributed $260,000 to 26 families of Palestinians killed in 29 months of fighting with Israel, including a $10,000 check to the family of a Hamas suicide bomber.

In a packed banquet hall on Wednesday, the families came one-by-one to receive their $10,000 checks. A large banner said: ‘The Arab Baath Party Welcomes the Families of the Martyrs for the Distribution of Blessings of Saddam Hussein.’“ http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/14/world/main543981.shtml

“Recalling that in its resolution 687 (1991) the Council declared that a ceasefire would be based on acceptance by Iraq of the provisions of that resolution, including the obligations on Iraq contained therein,” http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/11/08/resolution.text/

“H
32. Requires Iraq to inform the Security Council that it will not commit or support any act of international terrorism or allow any organization directed towards commission of such acts to operate within its territory and to condemn unequivocally and renounce all acts, methods and practices of terrorism;
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33. Declares that, upon official notification by Iraq to the Secretary-General and to the Security Council of its acceptance of the provisions above, a formal cease-fire is effective between Iraq and Kuwait and the Member States cooperating with Kuwait in accordance with resolution 678 (1990);” http://www.fas.org/news/un/iraq/sres/sres0687.htm

Here, eat your Greens:

1997: “Those who desire to face up to the Zionists conspiracies, intransigence, and aggressiveness must proceed towards the advance centers of capabilities in the greater Arab homeland and to the centers of the knowledge, honesty and sincerity with whole heartiness if the aim was to implement a serious plan to save others from their dilemma or to rely on those capable centers; well-known for their positions regarding the enemy, to gain precise concessions from it with justified maneuvers even if such centers including Baghdad not in agreement with those concerned, over the objectives and aims of the required maneuvers." (On the 29th anniversary of Iraq’s national day (the 17th of July 1968 revolution). President Saddam Hussein made an important comprehensive and nation wide address) http://southmovement.alphalink.com.au/countries/Iraq/speech.htm

February 17, 1998: “While speaking at the Pentagon on February 17, 1998, President Bill Clinton warned of the ‘reckless acts of outlaw nations and an unholy axis of terrorists, drug traffickers and organized international criminals.’ These ‘predators of the twenty-first century,’ he said ‘will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and missiles to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen. There is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein's Iraq.’“ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Desert_Fox
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/17/transcripts/clinton.iraq/

1998: One (“The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people…”), Two (“despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance…”), Three (“if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq…”)! http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

911

 

[Iriemon]

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/sudan1103/26.htm

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911

And your point is? That the US invasion of Iraq had little to do with humanitarn concern for the Iraqi people? I agree. That's my point. It's a hollow argument to assret otherwise.

 

[alphamale]

REAL concern for darfur would be demonstrated by a large international army going in and cleaning the clocks of the arabs. Anything else is just an ego trip.

 

[Iriemon]

REAL concern for darfur would be demonstrated by a large international army going in and cleaning the clocks of the arabs. Anything else is just an ego trip.

That is the question. The argument for why we are occupying Iraq is because of the REAL concern about oppressed people. If that is really the REAL concern about this administration, why isn't it doing anything about Dafur?

The REAL answer IMO is that is Admin could really care less about helping oppressed people, and that it is just an after the fact justification for Iraq when its other justifications have proved dubious.

 

[DivineComedy]

And your point is? That the US invasion of Iraq had little to do with humanitarn concern for the Iraqi people? I agree. That's my point. It's a hollow argument to assret otherwise.

“The Purposes of the United Nations are:
To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace,…”

“The Arab League has rejected any sanctions or international military intervention as a response to the crisis in Sudan's Darfur region…On 30 July, a UN resolution gave Sudan 30 days to bring Arab militia under control or face international action.” (Monday, 9 August, 2004, 03:23 GMT 04:23 UK) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3545818.stm

Iriemon it does not matter what humanitarian concern Colin Powell, or the US, or I had for the people of Darfur, for it could not get the United Nations (of tyrants too) to do anything after the above 30 day deadline lapsed. So my point was that the point was on your head, but I could not just come out and say it without being told to go to the basement; I am being honest here. If Bush had acted militarily to stop the genocide in the Sudan, without what you consider United Nations (of tyrant too) authorization, it is my wholehearted belief that people exactly like you would realize that the Sudan has enough oil to call it a “war for oil.” We can only afford one “war for oil” at that time; we can only put up with a certain number of people like you giving aid and comfort to the enemy. I would have loved for us to do something about Darfur, but the time to do it was a long time ago, like 2004 was too late!

I started a topic on the Daytona Beach News-Journal message board about the Sudan and Darfur back then. Like I pointed out on the Daytona Beach New-Journal Message board, the UN did nothing, and the fuzzy wuzzys ran out of villages to burn (like the Secretary-General said). I also asked the a guy named “JMayo” on that message board if he was going to the Sudan, that was after he said he was going to Africa, and he said something to the effect that he was not going to go there because it was too dangerous. If you question my sincerity go ask JMayo if he remembers “Book” asking him if he was going to the Sudan, ask him, but be sure to tell him I support Gay Marriage (for a hoot); here is the website JMayo posts at now: http://calcasieu.proboards37.com/

I do not post on Calcasieu’s site because I cannot agree with people that tell Hamas to “GO FOR IT,” nor do I like the clapping monkeys that would defend such a thing, and it came down to me leaving or another, so I took off even though I shed a tear and miss collecting those shrunken “Liberal” heads.

 

[alphamale]

That is the question. The argument for why we are occupying Iraq is because of the REAL concern about oppressed people. If that is really the REAL concern about this administration, why isn't it doing anything about Dafur?

The REAL answer IMO is that is Admin could really care less about helping oppressed people, and that it is just an after the fact justification for Iraq when its other justifications have proved dubious.

The U.S. is spread thin standing almost alone fighting the wars which should be the wars of all democractic countries. Gosh, here's an idea: why doesn't "the world" (read germany and france) get off their asses and do the fighting this time?