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Dare We Deploy Dirigibles?

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Your silly strawman is obvious once again. I do understand its the only way you can keep up, however.

If fuel costs are so trivial and these things are as pointless as you suggest why has an airline ordered 10 of them?
They aren't cheap and the decision will have gone through multiple sets of cost analysis studies before they placed the order.

Why are you right and they're wrong?
 

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Your silly strawman is obvious once again. I do understand its the only way you can keep up, however.
Looks like someone is embarrassed by his mistake.
 

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If fuel costs are so trivial and these things are as pointless as you suggest why has an airline ordered 10 of them?
They aren't cheap and the decision will have gone through multiple sets of cost analysis studies before they placed the order.

Why are you right and they're wrong?
Oh, so a small regional airline buys 10 and now youre proclaiming world revolution? :rolleyes:

Did you forget the fact that these airships are several times slower than a jet? How do you even know if theyre going to use it like a regular airliner when taking a train trip would get travelers to their destination at the same amount of time with less risk/hassle?

You and Deuce obviously dont realize that airships are not a new tech just like electric cars arent, but hey you can keep believing in your neo-luddite delusions since its a free country.

Looks like someone is embarrassed by his mistake.
LOL doubling down on your moronic fallacy is moronic. But hey, keep being you.
 

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Oh, so a small regional airline buys 10 and now youre proclaiming world revolution? :rolleyes:
Straw man.

Did you forget the fact that these airships are several times slower than a jet? How do you even know if theyre going to use it like a regular airliner when taking a train trip would get travelers to their destination at the same amount of time with less risk/hassle?
I fly planes for a living, lol gonna love watching you explain the aviation industry to me.

You and Deuce obviously dont realize that airships are not a new tech just like electric cars arent, but hey you can keep believing in your neo-luddite delusions since its a free country.


LOL doubling down on your moronic fallacy is moronic. But hey, keep being you.
Hahahahahahahahah
 

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I fly planes for a living, lol gonna love watching you explain the aviation industry to me.
LOL riight. The way you proclaim these airships as some kind of newfangled tech you must fly Cessna-172s.

Their speed is around 130kph, while a Boeing 777 can go around 950kph. Heck, even high speed trains in Europe can go twice as fast as those blimps.

Do the math.
 

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LOL riight. The way you proclaim these airships as some kind of newfangled tech you must fly Cessna-172s.
I said nothing of the sort. Straw man. Pathetic.

Their speed is around 130kph, while a Boeing 777 can go around 950kph. Heck, even high speed trains in Europe can go twice as fast as those blimps.

Do the math.
I have literally not remarked on speed.
 

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Used to see them all the time near sporting events but I think they use drones now. I think I've seen one in the last 20-30 years.
I see Goodyear's newest airships about once a week in the summer and the fall when they are used for football games. They fly right over the house and make a very distinctive sound. Its difficult to get clear video for more than a few seconds because of the many trees.
 

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Too slow, too large for the amount of payload, too subject to bad weather (heck they need massive hangars to protect them so the landing anywhere is only when weather is forecast to be favorable).
There massive size makes them extremely subjected to winds. Cross winds can easily blow them off course and strong winds be a massive challenge to control
Basically they are for sightseeing and that is really their limit of practical use. Yes some specialized applications from time to time when there winds are low but otherwise about as likely to make an impact on air transportation as the flying cars that morons keep investing in over the last century
They aren't even good as cruise ships as they cant even come close to competing on amenities. Take forever to get to your destination but aside from walking around a nit have nothing much to do. forget a pool/hot tub or water slide. Maybe you get a flying casino or fancy restaurant or maybe even nice sleeping cabins (not all three mind you)
 

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Too slow, too large for the amount of payload, too subject to bad weather (heck they need massive hangars to protect them so the landing anywhere is only when weather is forecast to be favorable).
There massive size makes them extremely subjected to winds. Cross winds can easily blow them off course and strong winds be a massive challenge to control
Basically they are for sightseeing and that is really their limit of practical use. Yes some specialized applications from time to time when there winds are low but otherwise about as likely to make an impact on air transportation as the flying cars that morons keep investing in over the last century
They aren't even good as cruise ships as they cant even come close to competing on amenities. Take forever to get to your destination but aside from walking around a nit have nothing much to do. forget a pool/hot tub or water slide. Maybe you get a flying casino or fancy restaurant or maybe even nice sleeping cabins (not all three mind you)
Way back when I was flight instructing I remember the Goodyear blimp was repositioning through the area for some upcoming event. (golf tournament I think?) The tower controller told me to watch for the blimp as it was going to fly near the traffic pattern. I could see it right away, several miles away. Slowly approaching, but it had a strong headwind.

I completed the entire lesson before it ever arrived. It was like the Game of Thrones zombies as parodied on South Park.
 

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Oh, so a small regional airline buys 10 and now youre proclaiming world revolution? :rolleyes:

Did you forget the fact that these airships are several times slower than a jet? How do you even know if theyre going to use it like a regular airliner when taking a train trip would get travelers to their destination at the same amount of time with less risk/hassle?

You and Deuce obviously dont realize that airships are not a new tech just like electric cars arent, but hey you can keep believing in your neo-luddite delusions since its a free country.


LOL doubling down on your moronic fallacy is moronic. But hey, keep being you.

Where did I say any of that crap?
I simply said I'm happy that a local company has sold 10 of them.

You keep putting words in my mouth and making arguments against things I never said and I've grown super tired of it. You seem desperate to start ann argument where there is none and I have no idea why but I'm done with you so I'm sticking you on ignore.

Feel free to make up some crap about what I'm supposed to have said though as you seem to enjoy that.
 

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It might be a cool sightseeing outing, but not a way to get from point a to point B.

The thing is I agree they are for specific jobs.
You wouldn't use one to cross the Atlantic but they do have uses.
One of the main plus points is the ability to take-off and land from almost anywhere which should mean you don't have to spend time in an airport so that's a huge time saving in itself.

I've been watching this aircraft go through trials for a decade now and it's very impressive and I'm happy they've started to sell them to customers.
I wonder how many they'll eventually sell as it's built in the UK so I hope it does well.
 

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I’d be interested in these for local commuter hops if their flexible departure and arrival points allow for fast access, boarding and disembarkation.

And, obviously, a small number of them would likely pencil out for tourism purposes.
 

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Where did I say any of that crap?
I simply said I'm happy that a local company has sold 10 of them.

You keep putting words in my mouth and making arguments against things I never said and I've grown super tired of it. You seem desperate to start ann argument where there is none and I have no idea why but I'm done with you so I'm sticking you on ignore.

Feel free to make up some crap about what I'm supposed to have said though as you seem to enjoy that.
PoS lies in about 95% of his posts, so don't worry about it.
 

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I’d be interested in these for local commuter hops if their flexible departure and arrival points allow for fast access, boarding and disembarkation.

And, obviously, a small number of them would likely pencil out for tourism purposes.
It'll definitely be a very niche market. Someone else mentioned the cruise ship comparison, it'll be more like that, I expect. Being more about the experience during travel than the travel itself.
 

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Its only a factor if one is a climate cult neo-luddite.

Your silly strawman is obvious once again. I do understand its the only way you can keep up, however.

You contradict yourself. Fuel costs obviously do matter, to any form of transport.
 

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Way back when I was flight instructing I remember the Goodyear blimp was repositioning through the area for some upcoming event. (golf tournament I think?) The tower controller told me to watch for the blimp as it was going to fly near the traffic pattern. I could see it right away, several miles away. Slowly approaching, but it had a strong headwind.

I completed the entire lesson before it ever arrived. It was like the Game of Thrones zombies as parodied on South Park.
I can see this as kinda viable as ore doesnt spoil they can wait for weather to transport when appropriate, running costs would be low in comparison to helicopters or planes but it seems to me that building a runway would be far easier and stability of supply schedules would make it preferable to use aircraft. or build roads to water transport. First article was from 2016, govt invested 30 million contrary to experet advice apparenbtly and now they are hoping to fly in 2022/3 9according to the 2020 article) My guess is like all teh flying car projects it was more about getting peopel to invest than it was about actually making somethign that works
 

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I said nothing of the sort. Straw man. Pathetic.


I have literally not remarked on speed.
Youre just crying foul because I beat you in a debate. too bad.

Where did I say any of that crap?
I simply said I'm happy that a local company has sold 10 of them.

LOL is that it? This is like taking candy from a 5 year old.

You contradict yourself. Fuel costs obviously do matter, to any form of transport.

LOL well if you prefer taking a trip on something thats slower than a train, be my guest, because a train would save more on fuel, so youre doubly wrong.
 

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As transport, airships are more comparable to cruise ships than to jet planes. They are great for sight-seeing.
They could serve as good alternatives for short domestic trips; depending on the size of the country of course. I am curious how they would fare in turbulent skies though; especially at 20,000 ft.
 

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They could serve as good alternatives for short domestic trips; depending on the size of the country of course. I am curious how they would fare in turbulent skies though; especially at 20,000 ft.
I could see a nice day trip from Las Vegas to see the Grand Canyon, perhaps even a stop.
Because the Helicopter tours are ~$400 a person, a dirigible that could seat 100 people, could justify the cost.
The ~$85 bus tour to the south rim, might also be viable, and less than the 14 hour time frame.
 

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LOL well if you prefer taking a trip on something thats slower than a train, be my guest, because a train would save more on fuel, so youre doubly wrong.

No, the argument you want to make is that pilot wages would exceed fuel saved. But for that, you'd have to record some numbers and work out which number was bigger. Too much like effort for you, I suspect.
 

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No, the argument you want to make is that pilot wages would exceed fuel saved. But for that, you'd have to record some numbers and work out which number was bigger. Too much like effort for you, I suspect.
Wrong again, your moronic logic just cannot handle the reality. Airships are not a new tech, and there was a reason why they never went into widespread use.
 

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Wrong again, your moronic logic just cannot handle the reality. Airships are not a new tech, and there was a reason why they never went into widespread use.

Too much trouble for you to calculate the pilot cost vs. fuel cost. Even though it should be simple: pilot cost will vastly outweigh fuel cost, for such small payloads. But why am I making your argument for you?


Airships could still do cargo, like boardwalks for alpine national parks, building materials for ski chalets, maybe some high-value agricultural produce. These particular airships don't need a mooring pylon, they can land on a field (or presumably on snow).

Though that is speculation, and calculating the economics would be more difficult. The obvious application of airships now is for sight-seeing.
 

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Maximum speed 80mph.

Well, at least that is 50mph faster than California's planned high speed rail from SF to LA.
 

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Too much trouble for you to calculate the pilot cost vs. fuel cost. Even though it should be simple: pilot cost will vastly outweigh fuel cost, for such small payloads. But why am I making your argument for you?


Airships could still do cargo, like boardwalks for alpine national parks, building materials for ski chalets, maybe some high-value agricultural produce. These particular airships don't need a mooring pylon, they can land on a field (or presumably on snow).

Though that is speculation, and calculating the economics would be more difficult. The obvious application of airships now is for sight-seeing.
Riight, show me an airship that can carry as much cargo as an Airbus A330. Go on.

And you keep ignoring trains even though they also carry cargo, simply because you dont know anything about them.

So tell me, how much is a salary of train driver compared to an airline pilot?
 
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