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Dan Rather on Trump

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Rather trying to defend the press against Trumps charge that they suck is hilarious:

“This is not about politics or policy. It's about protecting our most cherished principles. The relationship between the press and the powerful they cover is by its very definition confrontational. That is how the Founding Fathers envisioned it, with noble clauses of protection enshrined in our Constitution.”
Rather also challenged media owners and editors to support reporters who receive harsh blowback over critical coverage.
“Good journalism — the kind that matters — requires reporters who won't back up, back down, back away or turn around when faced with efforts to intimidate them. It also requires owners and other bosses with guts, who stand by and for their reporters when the heat is on."
“I still believe the pen is mightier than the sword. And in these conflicted and troubled times, we should reward the bravery of the men and women not afraid to ask the hard questions of everyone in power. Our nation's future depends on it," he concluded.


Read more: Dan Rather on Trump: 'I felt a shudder down my spine' - POLITICO
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So great, I too am a firm defender of the press, democracy cant work without a free flow of information which include competent journalists who get paid somehow, and who have ways to get their work to the people. The problem is that they have long sucked, and neither they nor their bosses show any willingness to do what it takes for America to have a sound 4th estate, despite Rathers expostulations to the contrary.
 
The Teflon Don is channeling his inner Spiro T. Agnew--on 21st century steroids of course.

That Limpballs is having an orgasm over trump's treatment of the press tells you all you need to know .
 
The Teflon Don is channeling his inner Spiro T. Agnew--on 21st century steroids of course.

That Limpballs is having an orgasm over trump's treatment of the press tells you all you need to know .

It is not like Rather did not have a hand in the decline of the press, so his bitching now is rich. At least he had the sense to admit that Trump has a point to a point, because Rather just agreed that ownership sucks.
 
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Dan Rather on Trump: 'I felt a shudder down my spine'

This is gross anti Trump bias, because Rather is actually partly agreeing with Trump.
 
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This is gross anti Trump bias, because Rather is actually partly agreeing with Trump.

Rather is not agreeing with Trump. Trump claims the press sucks because they don't like him, Rather is saying the press sucks because they aren't hard enough on Trump.
 
Rather is not agreeing with Trump. Trump claims the press sucks because they don't like him, Rather is saying the press sucks because they aren't hard enough on Trump.

Trump claims that the press sucks because they dont do their jobs right, and Rather partly agrees.
 
Rather is not agreeing with Trump. Trump claims the press sucks because they don't like him, Rather is saying the press sucks because they aren't hard enough on Trump.

Trump is what is paying their bills right now. Their ratings are at the highest they have been in some time.
 
Trump is what is paying their bills right now. Their ratings are at the highest they have been in some time.

The fact that Trump is feeding them what they want, and that they have not been able to bring themselves to turn him away, is a whole different angle on the hilarity of Rather's bitching and moaning, as well as another slam on management that Rather would have no choice but to agree with .
 
The fact that Trump is feeding them what they want, and that they have not been able to bring themselves to turn him away, is a whole different angle on the hilarity of Rather's bitching and moaning, as well as another slam on management that Rather would have no choice but to agree with .

They cant turn him away like the others because he generates revenue for them.
 
They cant turn him away like the others because he generates revenue for them.

And when that is all corporations care about, making money, why did we hand journalism over to them? Hell at this point there should be grants from DC to support journalists like we do scientists, and we should start turning the screws to the corporations, they are now clearly part of the problem not part of the solution. It has now been what 40 years since the major TV networks were willing to support loss producing journalism because they figured that they owed it to the nation? They gutted journalism, turned it into just another flavor of their entertainment product, because they decided that "journalism" had to be revenue generating like everything else they make.
 
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Trump claims that the press sucks because they dont do their jobs right, and Rather partly agrees.

Except Trump thinks thier job is to lavish him with praise and attack his enemies while Rather thinks they should start committing acts of journalism.
 
Except Trump thinks thier job is to lavish him with praise and attack his enemies while Rather thinks they should start committing acts of journalism.

“If there’s one thing I’ve learned from dealing with politicians over the years, it’s that the only thing guaranteed to force them into action is the press — or, more specifically, fear of the press.”
AOTD page 305

“Most reporters, I find, have very little interest in exploring the substance of a detailed proposal for a development. They look instead for the sensational angle."
AOTD page 340
 
And when that is all corporations care about, making money, why did we hand journalism over to them? Hell at this point there should be grants from DC to support journalists like we do scientists, and we should start turning the screws to the corporations, they are now clearly part of the problem not part of the solution. It has now been what 40 years since the major TV networks were willing to support loss producing journalism because they figured that they owed it to the nation? They gutted journalism, turned it into just another flavor of their entertainment product, because they decided that "journalism" had to be revenue generating like everything else they make.

It has ALWAYS been this way. TV and radio are more expensive mediums to run an operation and therefor require revenue commiserate with said mediums. Look at the major newspapers in the early 1900's late 1800's or early 1800's late 1700's to see for yourself. The more things change the more they stay the same. Technology and method change, human nature does not.
 
AOTD page 340- “Most reporters, I find, have very little interest in exploring the substance of a detailed proposal for a development. They look instead for the sensational angle."

And Trump gives them no substance and all sensation, sounds like a big circle jerk to me
 
On one level Dan Rather is right, but what is seemingly omitted is the politicalization of the press itself *and* the aristocratic nature of today's governance. We have a strange dynamic here. It is easy to argue that modern politicians for the most part view themselves as above everyone else, and that view extends to the press charged with covering their actions both good and not so good. Between the lot of them what ends up discarded is objective journalism, made only worse by whom owns the majority of media sources these days.
 
And when that is all corporations care about, making money, why did we hand journalism over to them? Hell at this point there should be grants from DC to support journalists like we do scientists, and we should start turning the screws to the corporations, they are now clearly part of the problem not part of the solution. It has now been what 40 years since the major TV networks were willing to support loss producing journalism because they figured that they owed it to the nation? They gutted journalism, turned it into just another flavor of their entertainment product, because they decided that "journalism" had to be revenue generating like everything else they make.
Total and utter 100% bull****..............so you want the GOVERNMENT TO OWN THE PRESS. Good bye 1st Amendment. :roll:
 
Rather trying to defend the press against Trumps charge that they suck is hilarious:



So great, I too am a firm defender of the press, democracy cant work without a free flow of information which include competent journalists who get paid somehow, and who have ways to get their work to the people. The problem is that they have long sucked, and neither they nor their bosses show any willingness to do what it takes for America to have a sound 4th estate, despite Rathers expostulations to the contrary.
When a Comedian who hosts a fake news program is chosen as the most Trusted News Anchor then the media sucks at their jobs. It's that simple.
 
Rather trying to defend the press against Trumps charge that they suck is hilarious:



So great, I too am a firm defender of the press, democracy cant work without a free flow of information which include competent journalists who get paid somehow, and who have ways to get their work to the people. The problem is that they have long sucked, and neither they nor their bosses show any willingness to do what it takes for America to have a sound 4th estate, despite Rathers expostulations to the contrary.

I notice there was nothing in is tirade about truth or honesty or parity. Rather can go suck seaweed.
 
On one level Dan Rather is right, but what is seemingly omitted is the politicalization of the press itself *and* the aristocratic nature of today's governance. We have a strange dynamic here. It is easy to argue that modern politicians for the most part view themselves as above everyone else, and that view extends to the press charged with covering their actions both good and not so good. Between the lot of them what ends up discarded is objective journalism, made only worse by whom owns the majority of media sources these days.


Rather speaks of "journalists" not backing down. By the same token, it's hard to not appreciate folks who won't back down to them.
 
Trump claims that the press sucks because they dont do their jobs right, and Rather partly agrees.

Trump attacks the press because they (occasionally) ask him an actual policy question, and (occasionally) point out that the conspiracy garbage that trips from his mouth is incorrect.

For Trump, "Sucks" = "Not Nice To Me"


That being said, Rather isn't all that great of a spokesperson for this, given his hand in the continuing slide of our media as an institution. The media does suck, but it sucks because it is willing to bend fact to meet preferred narratives, and willing to do enormous damage to the country in search of ratings.
 
Since Walter Cronkite and his reports from Vietnam brought millions of citizens into the streets in opposition to the war, the new False God of objectivity in news reporting has failed America.

"The myth of impartiality has led television news away from the path to truth"

Calm
 
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"Most reporters, I find, have very little interest in exploring the substance of a detailed proposal for a development. They look instead for the sensational angle."


In today's social media journalism it's more important to get it first than get it right.
 
In today's social media journalism it's more important to get it first than get it right.

Does this explain the presence of so many idiots in the "journalism" shops, people who barely have a clue about about they subjects they are tasked to write about? Who's fault is that?
 
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