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Daddy why Iraq?

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This has been posted on the Net before but I wonder how the Righties on this board would have responded(for those who dont know this is a conversation between a father and his child)

http://develnet.org/ThisAndThat/DaddyWhyDidWeHaveToAttackIraq


Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?
A: Because they had weapons of mass destruction.
Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction.
A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them.
Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq?
A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.
Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of mass destruction, did we?
A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll find something, probably right before the 2004 election.
Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?
A: To use them in a war, silly.
Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to use in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we went to war with them?
A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those weapons, so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend themselves.
Q: That doesn't make sense. Why would they choose to die if they had all those big weapons with which they could have fought back?
A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.
Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those weapons our government said they did.
A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those weapons. We had another good reason to invade them anyway.
Q: And what was that?
A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein was a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade another country.
Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his country?
A: Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people.
Q: Kind of like what they do in China?
A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic competitor, where millions of people work for slave wages in sweatshops to make U.S. corporations richer.
Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American corporate gain, it's a good country, even if that country tortures people?
A: Right.
Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?
A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government. People who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and tortured.
Q: Isn't that exactly what happens in China?
A: I told you, China is different.
Q: What's the difference between China and Iraq?
A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while China is Communist.
Q: Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad?
A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.
Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?
A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba are sent to prison and tortured.
Q: Like in Iraq?
A: Exactly.
Q: And like in China, too?
A: I told you, China's a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the other hand, is not.
Q: How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor?
A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed some laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business with Cuba until they stopped being Communists and started being capitalists like us.
Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and started doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans become capitalists?
A: Don't be a smart-ass.
Q: I didn't think I was being one.
A: Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba.
Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?
A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam Hussein came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a legitimate leader anyway.
Q: What's a military coup?
A: That's when a military general takes over the government of a country by force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the United States.
Q: Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?
A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan is our friend.
Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?
A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate.
Q: Didn't you just say a military general who comes to power by forcibly overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an illegitimate leader?
A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he helped us invade Afghanistan.
Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?
A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.
Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?
A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men - fifteen of them Saudi Arabians - hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into buildings in New York and Washington, killing 3,000 innocent people.
Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?
A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive rule of the Taliban.
Q: Aren't the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped off people's heads and hands?
A: Yes, that's exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off people's heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too.
Q: Didn't the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million dollars back in May of 2001?
A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good job fighting drugs.
Q: Fighting drugs?
A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from growing opium poppies.
Q: How did they do such a good job?
A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban would have their hands and heads cut off.
Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people's heads and hands for growing flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people's heads and hands off for other reasons?
A: Yes. It's OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off people's hands for growing flowers, but it's cruel if they cut off people's hands for stealing bread.
Q: Don't they also cut off people's hands and heads in Saudi Arabia?
A: That's different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical patriarchy that oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they were in public, with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not comply.
Q: Don't Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too?
A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body covering.
Q: What's the difference?
A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest yet fashionable garment that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an evil tool of patriarchal oppression that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers.
Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different name.
A: Now, don't go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are our friends.
Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th were from Saudi Arabia.
A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.
Q: Who trained them?
A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.
Q: Was he from Afghanistan?
A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a very bad man.
Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.
A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan back in the 1980s.
Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald Reagan talked about?
A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or thereabouts, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We call them Russians now.
Q: So the Soviets - I mean, the Russians - are now our friends?
A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years after they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support our invasion of Iraq, so we're mad at them now. We're also mad at the French and the Germans because they didn't help us invade Iraq either.
Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?
A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.
Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn't do what we want them to do?
A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade.
Q: But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s?
A: Well, yeah. For a while.
Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?
A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him our friend, temporarily.
Q: Why did that make him our friend?
A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.
Q: Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds?
A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we looked the other way, to show him we were his friend.
Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically becomes our friend?
A: Most of the time, yes.
Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically an enemy?
A: Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American corporations can profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the better.
Q: Why?
A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for America. Also, since God is on America's side, anyone who opposes war is a godless unAmerican Communist. Do you understand now why we attacked Iraq?
Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?
A: Yes.
Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?
A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells him what to do.
Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because George W. Bush hears voices in his head?
A: Yes! You finally understand how the world works. Now close your eyes, make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night.
Q: Good night, Daddy.
 

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no offense but why does every anti-war type thread seem exactly the same? there are about 100000 threads right now discussing the same topics, why start another one?

i skimmed through it and pretty much gave up when i read "A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections." inspections were taking place by the UN until Iraq refused to let them in. two things could have solved this problem, 1. the UN enforcing their own resolutions, and 2. Clinton taking into account that the intellegence of multiple countries had enough evidence to reasonably accuse them of developing WMD and therefore pressuring the UN to enforce the resolutions.


Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?
A: Yes.
Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?
A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells him what to do.
Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because George W. Bush hears voices in his head?


does this juvenile "conversation" reflect your feelings as well?
 

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no offense but why does every anti-war type thread seem exactly the same? there are about 100000 threads right now discussing the same topics, why start another one?
The reason why there are so many anti-war threads, it is the goal of the liberals to basically flood all of the republicans or conservatives on the forum to make it seem like they out number us; and that we are only a small group that sees war as the more realistic option. So that we will have to cave or something. Sure we can send out PM messages to all of the republicans on the forum, so that we can make a million posts about the same thing lol.

That thing that Surenderer posted is all of the Left's whines and dislikes all rolled up into one heaping pile of opinionated BS. As soon as I read that part that you, also highlighted I knew this was nothing but made up crap.
 

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Messerschmitt said:
The reason why there are so many anti-war threads, it is the goal of the liberals to basically flood all of the republicans or conservatives on the forum to make it seem like they out number us; and that we are only a small group that sees war as the more realistic option. So that we will have to cave or something. Sure we can send out PM messages to all of the republicans on the forum, so that we can make a million posts about the same thing lol.

That thing that Surenderer posted is all of the Left's whines and dislikes all rolled up into one heaping pile of opinionated BS. As soon as I read that part that you, also highlighted I knew this was nothing but made up crap.



Well of course it's made up :roll: ...jeeze have a sense of humor.but it could be said that the reason there are so many anti-war threads is because most people are anti-war why would you have to send out PM's to the Republicans on this forum to get them to "spam" these boards as you claim lefties are? I dont think that the other side is sending out PM's....Oh and if you were to read what I wrote about my feelings towards Muslim issues today I am anything but left


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^^not true. to me, it seems like the anti-war crowd repeatedly makes identical threads about it. going by your logic, i could go on a liberal-only board, post 100 pro war threads, and say its because most people think that way.

honestly though, i feel like ive posted the same response 20 different times in the past week.

the biggest problem with this convo is the blantant sarcasm which takes away from any credible point its trying to make and its attmept to answer difficult questions in a single sentence.
 
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FiremanRyan said:
no offense but why does every anti-war type thread seem exactly the same? there are about 100000 threads right now discussing the same topics, why start another one?

i skimmed through it and pretty much gave up when i read "A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections." inspections were taking place by the UN until Iraq refused to let them in. two things could have solved this problem, 1. the UN enforcing their own resolutions, and 2. Clinton taking into account that the intellegence of multiple countries had enough evidence to reasonably accuse them of developing WMD and therefore pressuring the UN to enforce the resolutions.


Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?
A: Yes.
Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?
A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells him what to do.
Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because George W. Bush hears voices in his head?


does this juvenile "conversation" reflect your feelings as well?






Ummm about what you highlighted yes......


...............God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." --Ha'aretz, 06.25.03



http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/...2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
 

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FiremanRyan said:
^^not true. to me, it seems like the anti-war crowd repeatedly makes identical threads about it. going by your logic, i could go on a liberal-only board, post 100 pro war threads, and say its because most people think that way.

honestly though, i feel like ive posted the same response 20 different times in the past week.

the biggest problem with this convo is the blantant sarcasm which takes away from any credible point its trying to make and its attmept to answer difficult questions in a single sentence.



You may be right bro....but answers only come thru discussion and I am/was generally interested in how the right would answer her questions...my bad if that offended you....I have no leftist agenda but her (little girl) simple logic to me makes sense


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teacher said:
Not part of the thread but,

Hey Surenderer, are you French?


Not falling for it Teacher...back to the Basement with you ;)



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im not offended at all. everyones entitled to their opinions. i just think the hypothetical conversation you posted was a little biased and spoke in too general of terms.
 

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Messerschmitt said:
Sure we can send out PM messages to all of the republicans on the forum, so that we can make a million posts about the same thing lol.
What a silly concept. Much better to form a monkey army. Which I am doing. Accepting applications for commisioned officers in the top ten thread.
 

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im not offended at all. everyones entitled to their opinions. i just think the hypothetical conversation you posted was a little biased and spoke in too general of terms.




Well you are right it is biased which is why I asked for the right-wing opinion on these questions.I know how the left feels already because earlier it was said that it is spammed all over this board which is true.....Although I am Muslim and dont believe in this War of Bush's I have never said it was about oil or any secret reason...I actually think Bush thinks he is doing the right thing but I just think he is wrong?



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This is where a civil moderator would come in and lock this thread.

Because I'm an evil bias Republican who doesn’t want to hear the other side? No.

Because I don't want to waist my time with petty insults that don't spur real debate. This topic is a joke, and doesn’t deserve to live. Like stated by someone earlier, there are other threads about Iraq. This one is just too childish for my taste, but whatever floats your boat...
 

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Tetracide said:
This is where a civil moderator would come in and lock this thread.

Because I'm an evil bias Republican who doesn’t want to hear the other side? No.

Because I don't want to waist my time with petty insults that don't spur real debate. This topic is a joke, and doesn’t deserve to live. Like stated by someone earlier, there are other threads about Iraq. This one is just too childish for my taste, but whatever floats your boat...
I get the feeling that the Republicans on this board are afraid to answer the questions raised so they whine about the thread and it seems whatever they can to divert away from answering the questions....

I would love to see some explanations that deal with this thread, please....
 

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I find it quite humorous. Though I think the author didn't mean it to be so. Illustrated that the left is stuck on finding fault with this war in the wrong way.

Surrenderer, glad to see you feel that W. believes he is doing the right thing and that you disagree with it. That says much about your intellect and character. So many of the left state that he is doing it for other reasons. Oil, imperialism, profit whatever. If more of the left were like you a more reasoned debate could be had. I also believe that he feels he is doing the right thing. And then we vote. No matter what each side thinks they have a say in the matter in the end. I just wonder if Kerry had won would the right be crying so much?

There are black French people you of course know.
 

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teacher said:
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Just wondering what with your screenname and all........



Hehe no you werent but ok I will bite......I have already posted several times that I am African-American former U.S. Air Force (SSgt) that served in Gulf War I at 19 yrs old..... that is born and raised American and now reside in Panama City Florida...my screenname comes from my religion (Muslim) which means one who submits and implies complete submission to the will of God I am also a single father with two children that I raise by myself (not as Muslims though) and I do Social Work and occasionaly speeches for a local radio show and an Internet site My favorite football team is the Ravens and baseball the Orioles and I teach Hung Gar Kung Fu(5 animals) every other day......that should answer everything for you I hope :2wave:



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All I see here are petty attempts to insult Bush, his religion, and our efforts in Iraq. There is no substance to this debate. You want to ask the tough questions, ask them with a little maturity and don't waist my time with this.
 
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Surenderer, looks like we were typing at the same time and the questions were answered. I sometimes teach San Chuan Doa (three fisted method aka Chinese kick boxing). Some animal forms in that also. Tiger, crane, snake, swallow, dragon, mantis. Yeah I remember all that you just posted. Just jerking your chain bro.
 
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Tetracide said:
All I see here are petty attempts to insult Bush, his religion, and our efforts in Iraq. There is no substance to this debate. You want to ask the tough questions, ask them with a little maturity and don't waist my time with this.


First off I would never insult another man's religion Ive asked twice now how a right-winger would have answred her questions.....if you dont have an answer yourself then please quit spamming the topic with your complaints.
 

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26 X World Champs said:
I get the feeling that the Republicans on this board are afraid to answer the questions raised so they whine about the thread and it seems whatever they can to divert away from answering the questions....

I would love to see some explanations that deal with this thread, please....
i gave explanation to some of it, the rest you can find in the hundreds of other identical threads.
 

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Tetracide said:
All I see here are petty attempts to insult Bush, his religion, and our efforts in Iraq. There is no substance to this debate. You want to ask the tough questions, ask them with a little maturity and don't waist my time with this.
I don't think Surenderer was making a petty attempt at all. I feel he really wanted to know what the right thinks about that post #1. Consider that a lot of the left sees the right exactly as put forward in that post. I've asked Surenderer such questions from his viewpoint and he gave honest answers. Your animosity would be better directed at those such as champs. Surenderer has different beliefs than us but will debate them civilly. An apology might be in order. You can learn why the left thinks what they do from Surenderer. Champs is just nasty. But then you got guys like me for that. Hey champs.........
 

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Surenderer, looks like we were typing at the same time and the questions were answered. I sometimes teach San Chuan Doa (three fisted method aka Chinese kick boxing). Some animal forms in that also. Tiger, crane, snake, swallow, dragon, mantis. Yeah I remember all that you just posted. Just jerking your cage bro.



Sweet bro I went to a tournament for Shan Shou last year in California (Born to Fight IV) had a friend of mine that got invited (my grapple partner) you guys (Shan Shou) have some nice throwing and pressure point striking.....anyway good to know that about you



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Tetracide said:
This question has already been answered in another topic. Why make a new one?

Talk to me about spamming? What do you think this thread is?



Has the Questions posed by that little girl been brought up in another post? if so then I have spammed unintentionally Surely you dont expect me to know what every topic in every thread that a poster has made do you? The topic of the link you provided was about the London Bombings? Whats that got to do with what I brought up?....this is another response directed at me instead of at the topic of discussion.



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