DACA stays

[Rogue Valley]

DACA stays: Supreme Court scuttles Trump's biggest leverage in shutdown fight

1/23/19
If President Donald Trump wants to use DACA as leverage to force the Democrats to accept his border wall amidst the government shutdown, he won't have the Supreme Court to help him out. With a decision on Tuesday to not hear a challenge to the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, the Supreme Court denied Trump his only real chance to undercut Democrats in Congress in the midst of a battle he appears to be losing. The Trump administration's hope had been that the Supreme Court would overrule the lower courts and allow him to end the program, which would provide him with leverage over congressional Democrats as the president continues to drag out the government shutdown in order to force the building of a border wall. The president had even predicted that the court would side with him during a cabinet meeting earlier this month.

"It will be in the United States Supreme Court," Trump said on Jan. 2. "So if we win that case — and I say this for all to hear — we'll be easily able to make a deal on DACA and the wall as a combination. But until we win that case, they don't want to really talk about DACA." But a conservative Supreme Court struck down Trump's last hope on Tuesday. Because a number of lower courts had stopped Trump from ending DACA on the grounds that he had not established a sufficient legal reason for doing so, with the Supreme Court passing on the case the program remains in place and continues to protect the nearly 700,000 people known as "Dreamers" who stay in the United States after being brought here without the proper documentation as children. A number of commentators have noted that this is very bad news for Trump.

Well, there goes one of Trumps hostage groups. Of course, he is still holding federal workers hostage to obtain $5.7 billion for his vanity wall.

Related: Supreme Court silent on Trump’s appeals to end DACA

 

[lwf]

Man, it's basically checkmate for him at this point. I can't think of any way out for him that isn't "caving in to the democrats."

 

[Mr Person]

He won't like that, but the Democrats may be preparing a partial cave, which at least avoids the stupid useless wall, but "DACA" doesn't even appear in the current article mentioning it:



House Democrats are prepared to support increased spending on border security, but not a wall, if President Trump agrees to reopen the government first, lawmakers and aides said Wednesday. The proposal, which Democrats are drafting into a formal letter to Trump, will include border security improvements such as retrofitting ports of entry, new sensors and drones, more immigration judges and border patrol agents, and additional technology, among other measures. The letter was not final, and the exact figure Democrats will suggest was not yet determined, but lawmakers and aides said it would be higher than the levels Democrats have supported in the past, which have ranged from $1.3 billion to $1.6 billion.
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Some Democrats suggested they would even be willing to meet Trump’s request for $5.7 billion — as long as it goes for technology and other improvements, not the physical wall the president is seeking. “If you look at all of the things that we’re proposing — more judges, more border patrol, this new technology — these are the kinds of things that we are going to be putting forward, and I think that they can be done using the figure that the president has put on the table,” House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) told reporters Wednesday.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...f74070bbdb9_story.html?utm_term=.e5ea645f2a8f

 

[ttwtt78640]

He won't like that, but the Democrats may be preparing a partial cave, which at least avoids the stupid useless wall, but "DACA" doesn't even appear in the current article mentioning it:



House Democrats are prepared to support increased spending on border security, but not a wall, if President Trump agrees to reopen the government first, lawmakers and aides said Wednesday. The proposal, which Democrats are drafting into a formal letter to Trump, will include border security improvements such as retrofitting ports of entry, new sensors and drones, more immigration judges and border patrol agents, and additional technology, among other measures. The letter was not final, and the exact figure Democrats will suggest was not yet determined, but lawmakers and aides said it would be higher than the levels Democrats have supported in the past, which have ranged from $1.3 billion to $1.6 billion.
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Some Democrats suggested they would even be willing to meet Trump’s request for $5.7 billion — as long as it goes for technology and other improvements, not the physical wall the president is seeking. “If you look at all of the things that we’re proposing — more judges, more border patrol, this new technology — these are the kinds of things that we are going to be putting forward, and I think that they can be done using the figure that the president has put on the table,” House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) told reporters Wednesday.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...f74070bbdb9_story.html?utm_term=.e5ea645f2a8f

These add any security measures except physical barriers plans ignore one thing - they have not been tested. I suggest that we remove at least 5 miles of (existing) physical barriers between Tijuana and San Diego and install these additional "alternate" security measures and then compare their cost and effectiveness to what we had before (those five miles of physical barriers).

 

[Rogue Valley]

He won't like that, but the Democrats may be preparing a partial cave, which at least avoids the stupid useless wall, but "DACA" doesn't even appear in the current article mentioning it:

House Democrats are prepared to support increased spending on border security, but not a wall, if President Trump agrees to reopen the government first, lawmakers and aides said Wednesday. The proposal, which Democrats are drafting into a formal letter to Trump, will include border security improvements such as retrofitting ports of entry, new sensors and drones, more immigration judges and border patrol agents, and additional technology, among other measures. The letter was not final, and the exact figure Democrats will suggest was not yet determined, but lawmakers and aides said it would be higher than the levels Democrats have supported in the past, which have ranged from $1.3 billion to $1.6 billion.

Some Democrats suggested they would even be willing to meet Trump’s request for $5.7 billion — as long as it goes for technology and other improvements, not the physical wall the president is seeking. “If you look at all of the things that we’re proposing — more judges, more border patrol, this new technology — these are the kinds of things that we are going to be putting forward, and I think that they can be done using the figure that the president has put on the table,” House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) told reporters Wednesday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...f74070bbdb9_story.html?utm_term=.e5ea645f2a8f

I could probably support that. As long as not one cent goes towards Trumps vanity wall.

By the way, the GOP bill that McConnell will be bringing to the floor that includes $5.7 billion for Trumps wall only restores Dreamer protections for three years... the very protections that Trump himself removed. But in addition, this bill severely alters how asylum on the border would be handled, with heavy restrictions.

btw: SCOTUS today refused to hear the DACA case, allowing lower court rulings to stand. Trump just lost a great deal of leverage and one of his shutdown hostage groups.

 

[Mr Person]

I could probably support that. As long as not one cent goes towards Trumps vanity wall.

By the way, the GOP bill that McConnell will be bringing to the floor that includes $5.7 billion for Trumps wall only restores Dreamer protections for three years... the very protections that Trump himself removed. But in addition, this bill severely alters how asylum on the border would be handled, with heavy restrictions.

btw: SCOTUS today refused to hear the DACA case, allowing lower court rulings to stand. Trump just lost a great deal of leverage and one of his shutdown hostage groups.

Well, I mean, they have always talked about border security and this isn't a waste like the stupid ****ing wall. However, I would like to see them get something themselves. Suppose I'll just have to wait for the finalized offer.

I suppose the political calculation is that Trump's base will still be pissed because he didn't get the wall, and the Dems can say "hey, we matched his offer. Just not on a useless wall."



But still. Grr. As your link notes, any SCOTUS decision that might happen won't happen until 2020. Enough of holding this over the dreamers' heads. Let them stay. They're not the illegals we're looking for.