DA in duke case Vows to Keep Investigating (1 Viewer)

[getinvolved]

I have very missed feelings on this but I am pleased to see that the DA is promising to continue to investigate. Although the DNA evidence has come back negaitve so far- I think there is alot of circumstancial evidence surrounding the case that at least deserves a continued investigation. Whta does everyone else think about this??

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[reaganburch]

I have very missed feelings on this but I am pleased to see that the DA is promising to continue to investigate. Although the DNA evidence has come back negaitve so far- I think there is alot of circumstancial evidence surrounding the case that at least deserves a continued investigation. Whta does everyone else think about this??

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I have mixed feelings on this, too; however, I think that the DA's office has screwed this up from the beginning. They tried this in the press and in the public and had these kids convicted and hung-up long before all the evidence had come in. All the evidence has still not come in, but we have the NAACP & the NOW gang down there becrying this 'alleged' victims treatment and we still don't know for certain what the heck happened there that night.

Saying that, the DA's office still has more information than we do and if they feel that there is still something to investigate... investigate it.... but let's try to keep the pre-convicting down a little bit...

But, that's just my opinion.... I could be wrong... but I'm not....

 

[getinvolved]

i agree with you on the pre-conviction front, i think that all too often the idea of a fair trail is thrown out the window before the case even begins as the press grabs holds, picks a side and the public follows suit. The problem is that, because we live in a system where thiscome out punching first rather than face the possibility of being convicted/not believed in the eyes of the public from day one as the opposing counsil takes advantage of these systemcatic flaws.

The fact remains that this african american girl was a stripper and she has a history of trouble with the law. She is accusing affluen, mainly white, college athletes of this crime, I think that although a shame, the prosecution had to come out of the gates with informaiton that would allow the public to ever side with her,m rather than wait for the defense to focus the public attention on those facts, that although have nothing to do with this case, seriously bring her credibilty into question.

With the new evidence that has come to pass I sincerely hope that the accusations are not true, and if they are not what a shame this entire situation has been. But I at least think that this case deserves to continue to be investigated so that the truth can hopefully be revealed.

 

[vergiss]

The fact remains that this african american girl was a stripper and she has a history of trouble with the law. She is accusing affluen, mainly white, college athletes of this crime, I think that although a shame, the prosecution had to come out of the gates with informaiton that would allow the public to ever side with her,m rather than wait for the defense to focus the public attention on those facts, that although have nothing to do with this case, seriously bring her credibilty into question.

They're not permitted to call the victim's credibility into question based on irrelevent reasons in a court of law, except under extreme, specific circumstances.

This makes her story less credible? You kidding? A stripper's profession exposes them to far more men who see women purely as worthless objects than, say, an accountant's. A stripper, apparently without a minder, called into private property with a bunch of rowdy, presumably drunk male athletes... yeah, not a recipe for disaster at all. :shock:

As a male student in the article said: "You have minimalized (her) to a stripper and an exotic dancer. You don't identify her as a mother. You don't identify her as a student. You don't identify her as a woman."

 

[easyt65]

I think as soon as this story broke, the kids started getting judged by their fellow students and by the local community. It was reported that 15 of the Duke's Lacrosse team members have been arrested or in some type of trouble with the law in the local community within the LAST YEAR. Amazingly, Duke and their coach said they were un-aware of these incidents.

1. If that is true, I have no problem with the coach turning in his resignation. He needed to be gone! Students on campus knew about these - why didn't he?

2. The DA is getting ripped for not arresting the accused within the 1st 24 hours based on charges the stripper filed. Several protesters have claimed if it would have been a white stripper and black players the outcome would have been different. The DA says he did not want to rush to judgement. I applaud him for that. This is not a sign of racism to me but a sign that he did not want to rush to judgement. I still believe he made some mistakes, but I applaud him for this move.

None of the players would answer any questions the police had - NONE! Something happened at that party, and to collectively group together to defy the authorities and impede an investigation (although they did submit DNA for testing) is un-acceptible. If for no other reason but to teach them that their actions of doing that was wrong, I applaud the University for hammering the kids who decided to protect their own and hide all details about what went on that night! Another thing, there is 1 black Duke Lacrosse player, and he was supposedly at the party. Where is/was he when all the racial slurs were being flung? If he had nothing to do with what happened, why was he remaining silent and protecting these white, racist college hoodlums? Shame on you!

I applaud the DA, again, for refusing to dismiss the accusations/charges and end the investigation based solely on the results of DNA tests. I, in turn, criticize the Defense Attorneys for trying to villify the DA for his decision, stating he is making a big mistake, that he is doing it for poltical/career-based reasons, or that he is just out to get these players! There is still a 'victim' who claims to have been raped and an investigation that is not over! If the lack of 'smoking-gun-with-fingerprints-on-the-weapon' evidence was grounds for dismissing charges, our courts would be a lot less crowded! I applaud the DA for being thorough, and the Defense Attorneys should applaud him for doing his job as well, as I am sure everyone wants to get to the bottom of the real story here.

Yes, the accuser is a stripper. I wonder how much of that fact played a part in the DA's decision not to have the kids arrested right away? I think her past is being taken seriously by the DA in his investigation....as is the Duke Lacrosse Team's past (15 arrests/troubles in the last year).

There has been speculation that the racial slurs hurled at the stripper caused her to get mad and seek to get even by claiming to have been attacked. Maybe so.....which is why I am glad we are getting to the bottom of this. If she did lie, the DA should charge her. If she did lie, she just made it harder for every woman after her who is raped to get justice.

And - just my thoughts, here - I do not care if she is a stripper or an adult film actress - if a woman says 'NO', it means 'NO'! Her occupation has nothing to do with whether she is/has been raped or not!

And you are absolutely right - rowdy college atheletes in a frat environment, alcohol, and stippers was a recipe for disaster!

 

[Captain America]

I have my own opinion about this I will reserve for a later date.

But I HOPE, if the students are exhonorated, they throw this woman under the jail for 20 years.

A simple polygraph from this woman would answer a lot of questions. Anybody think she might object to that? My dime is on her poo-poo-ing that idea. :roll:

I wonder why?

'Nuff said?

 

[vergiss]

I have my own opinion about this I will reserve for a later date.

But I HOPE, if the students are exhonorated, they throw this woman under the jail for 20 years.

A simple polygraph from this woman would answer a lot of questions. Anybody think she might object to that? My dime is on her poo-poo-ing that idea. :roll:

I wonder why?

'Nuff said?

A polygraph test?! :lol: They are notoriously unreliable, and easy to beat. I don't know about in the US, but here in Australia the results of a polygraph test isn't admissable evidence in court, and it's been that way for decades.

Did you read about that email one of the athletes wrote, declaring “I plan on killing the bitches as soon as the walk in and proceding to cut their skin off”?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12171051/

 

[Deegan]

This is a hot button issue, and the women of the media are all over this, I respect that. I also understand that these accusations can, and in this case, have already tainted these young men. It's still up for discussion, and the prosecuter should do all he can, but in the end, someone will be hurt, it's just the way of these things.

 

[vergiss]

This is a hot button issue, and the women of the media are all over this, I respect that. I also understand that these accusations can, and in this case, have already tainted these young men. It's still up for discussion, and the prosecuter should do all he can, but in the end, someone will be hurt, it's just the way of these things.

If the accusations are true, somebody already was hurt.

 

[Deegan]

If the accusations are true, somebody already was hurt.

I think I implied that, but thanks for that reminder.

 

[aps]

I had started a thread on this case when the story first came out. Based on the facts that were being asserted at that time, I thought the woman was raped. However, as facts come to light, her credibility has been called into question. They found her fake nails in the bathroom where she claims she was raped. To me, that signified that she fought her attackers. However, there was no DNA under those nails. That sounds fishy to me.

Apparently, she had bruises on her body prior to going to the house to dance. It sounds like she did not attribute those bruises to a prior incident or accident. She didn't tell her co-worker as they were leaving the house that she had been raped. That concerns me, particularly because the other woman was there.

easy, I love your post. I agree with everything you said wholeheartedly. The defense is attacking the DA for doing his job. He's not arresting anyone as of yet, so he's not rushing to judgment. Just because the DNA tests were negative for the players's DNA does not mean that there wasn't a sexual assault. There were medical findings that she had trauma to her vagina--whether it was result of a rape in that house remains to be seen.

I see Captain America's point about making her undergo a lie detector test, but I also agree with vergiss that they aren't necessarily reliable.

I agree with easy about articles that call her a stripper. I mean, come on. Stop demeaning her job. And sure that kind of job would probably make a woman more vulnerable to being raped, but NO WOMAN asks to be raped.

CNN addressed this case and it was pointed out that considering students who are not athletes and students who are athletes, the statistics show that athletes get into trouble with the law more than 2X non-athletes. Interestingly enough, they also are released from the charges more often than non-athletes. Hmmmmmm

 

[Captain America]

Polygraphs are not admissible as evidence in our courts either. Because they are not 100% accurate.

While the polygraph technique is highly accurate, it is not infallible and errors can occur. According to the American Polygraph Association over 250 studies have been conducted on the accuracy of polygraph testing during the past 25 years. Recent research reveals that the accuracy of the new computerized polygraph stytem is close to 100%. <snip>
http://www.truthorlie.com/accurate.html

Close only counts in hand grenades and horseshoes.

But, if the young lady WOULD submit to one, it would at least give the prosecuter a 99 plus % idea as to wheter or not she's telling the truth or not. (Albeit not admissable as evidence.) But, on the other hand, if she is lying, it cannot be used against her either. So, I see no risk in her submitting to one. (Unless, of couse, she is lying. But even still, it can't be used against her for prosecution although it could lead to some serious embarassment.) Nobody knows who to believe at this point. Right now, it's 50/50 I suppose. Toss of a coin. A polygraph would tip the scale in my opinion.

I can see if someone who has charges against them refuse a polygraph. Fifth amendment and all. But there aren't any charges against the young lady. She can only gain credibility if she took and passed the exam.

And her brother came out yesterday complaining that the media is only presenting her as a coochie-girl and they have completely overlooked the fact that she is also a hard working student and mother. I think he is right on that. Being a student and morher takes up a LOT of time.

At best, she is only a PART-TIME coochie girl. But then again, by comparison, that is kinda like being "almost" pregnant.:rofl

Either you is or you isn't.

 

[Captain America]

Pin drop........

You guys hear that?

 

[vergiss]

Polygraphs are not admissible as evidence in our courts either. Because they are not 100% accurate.

While the polygraph technique is highly accurate, it is not infallible and errors can occur. According to the American Polygraph Association over 250 studies have been conducted on the accuracy of polygraph testing during the past 25 years. Recent research reveals that the accuracy of the new computerized polygraph stytem is close to 100%. <snip>
http://www.truthorlie.com/accurate.html

Close only counts in hand grenades and horseshoes.

But, if the young lady WOULD submit to one, it would at least give the prosecuter a 99 plus % idea as to wheter or not she's telling the truth or not. (Albeit not admissable as evidence.) But, on the other hand, if she is lying, it cannot be used against her either. So, I see no risk in her submitting to one. (Unless, of couse, she is lying. But even still, it can't be used against her for prosecution although it could lead to some serious embarassment.) Nobody knows who to believe at this point. Right now, it's 50/50 I suppose. Toss of a coin. A polygraph would tip the scale in my opinion.

I can see if someone who has charges against them refuse a polygraph. Fifth amendment and all. But there aren't any charges against the young lady. She can only gain credibility if she took and passed the exam.

Except, so far as I know, no one in this case has mentioned polygraph tests.

And her brother came out yesterday complaining that the media is only presenting her as a coochie-girl and they have completely overlooked the fact that she is also a hard working student and mother. I think he is right on that. Being a student and morher takes up a LOT of time.

At best, she is only a PART-TIME coochie girl. But then again, by comparison, that is kinda like being "almost" pregnant.:rofl

Either you is or you isn't.

Um, they're not saying she isn't (whatever a "coochie girl" is...). They're saying that she's more than just a stripper. So what if she's a stripper, anyway?

I'm a part-time model. As well as catalogue work (I'm much too short for catwalk), I get paid to wear tiny skirts and look pretty next to cars/alcohol/misc whilst men ogle me. The reason the company of the day hires me is quite undeniably because they are using female sexuality as a means of selling the product or getting attention.

It's easy money, as is being a stripper. Granted, I don't take my clothes off, but the end result is pretty much the same - guys look like dorks and drool, and I get ridiculously huge sums of money for it. Would my credibilty as a victim of alleged sexual crime be henceforth tarnished because of my part-time job? Is the fact that I'm a religious, A-grade student who attends an exclusive university school completely overshadowed by the fact that I earn money, and lots of it, by exploiting the male fondness for perving?

Furthermore, what would be your opinion ont he case if the accusor had been a cheerleader, or just any random female? And have you read that article about the email yet?