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Cuba to cut 500,000 gov't workers, reform salaries

Re: Capitalist storm clouds loom over Havana after state cuts 1m jobs

ROP, have you ever actually in your life, in person, heard anyone say how great a place Cuba was?

Yes, in college (unsurprisngly). And I've also seen film of hard-left cheerleaders, not to mention knowing about the boss of the Transport and General Workers Union who, even today, is an admirer of Castro.
 
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Re: Capitalist storm clouds loom over Havana after state cuts 1m jobs

ROP, have you ever actually in your life, in person, heard anyone say how great a place Cuba was?

yeah, I have

usually from aging stoners with a Che t shirt on but I have heard it a bunch
 
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Wait just a damn minute if Cuba a Socialist/Marxist Country can't make it in the world after redistribution of wealth and their wonderful health care system doesn't work What chance do we have under the Obama plans?

Please say it isn't so. Just my:spin::rofl
 
Re: Capitalist storm clouds loom over Havana after state cuts 1m jobs

Wait just a damn minute if Cuba a Socialist/Marxist Country can't make it in the world after redistribution of wealth and their wonderful health care system doesn't work What chance do we have under the Obama plans?

Please say it isn't so. Just my:spin::rofl

I fail to see how they are logically connected.
 
Re: Capitalist storm clouds loom over Havana after state cuts 1m jobs

ROP, have you ever actually in your life, in person, heard anyone say how great a place Cuba was?

I've actually heard this a lot.
 
Re: Capitalist storm clouds loom over Havana after state cuts 1m jobs

It's great in comparison to most of the rest of Central/South American countries.
 
Re: Capitalist storm clouds loom over Havana after state cuts 1m jobs

It's great in comparison to most of the rest of Central/South American countries.

How many of those countries use armed guards to keep their successful citizens from defecting?
 
Re: Capitalist storm clouds loom over Havana after state cuts 1m jobs

It's great in comparison to most of the rest of Central/South American countries.

I´m in Centrak America right now and have travelled all over the place.

Which Central American countries are you referring to_
 
Re: Capitalist storm clouds loom over Havana after state cuts 1m jobs

This is a corrupt system where the party leaders and the apparatchik get their rewards, while the common people are kept on a short leash with do-nothing jobs and ration cards to stifle their initiative as well as keeping track of them so as to prevent any self initiative that would upset the ruling class that call this socialism. It is nothing but totalitarianism to benefit the party elite.
 
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All progressive, Marxist governments do exactly the same. This is the way they have devised to keep as many "masses" as possible quiet and loyal. Anyone who has witnessed government runs restaurants inside Cuba with absurdly high meal prices and mediocre food is familiar with the meaning of the word "underemployed." To see waiters and staff languish around all day without even one patron occupying a table is to know the true nature of communism in the real world.
 
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The simple truth is that with employment guaranteed, regardless of price, product or demand, there is no real incentive for creativity. Even if needed change was desired, how difficult to be "permitted." This truth lies at the heart of the problems facing the brothers regime. This system collapse simply from the absurdity and evil of its own nature.
 
The Associated Press: Cuba to cut 500,000 gov't workers, reform salaries

Huge news out of Cuba that will have an incredible impact on the future of that country. It will certainly create short-term difficulties for the 10-20% of the population that will lose their jobs, but if this leads to increased economic freedom, it should help the country as a whole in the long term.

This is great news. I think that once Raul is firmly in command (as he now appears to be, given Fidel's recent statements that communism has failed), Cuba is poised for a China-like economic boom that spans decades. Raul may be Cuba's answer to Deng Xiaoping.
 
This is great news. I think that once Raul is firmly in command (as he now appears to be, given Fidel's recent statements that communism has failed), Cuba is poised for a China-like economic boom that spans decades. Raul may be Cuba's answer to Deng Xiaoping.

This is once again the triumph of hope over experience.

Leftists once had the same hopes for his older, and smarter, brother. Sooner or later these tyrants are exposed for what they are, but often too late for those whose lives have been destroyed during their dictatorships.
 
This is once again the triumph of hope over experience.

Experience? Raul has only been in power for a few years, and he's already proven himself to be much more of a reformist than Fidel. Hope seems to be completely justified in the case of Cuba.

Grant said:
Leftists once had the same hopes for his older, and smarter, brother.

Uhh I've heard people say a lot of things about Fidel Castro, but "economic reformist" hardly comes to mind. Unless, of course, you're referring to his "reforms" from the Batista regime. Fidel Castro is as reactionary of a central planner as anyone in the world, except for Kim Jong-il.

Grant said:
Sooner or later these tyrants are exposed for what they are, but often too late for those whose lives have been destroyed during their dictatorships.

Being a dictator and being a reformist are not mutually exclusive.
 
How can a country the size of Cuba with great weather depend on outside help for food? The inefficient Castro brothers regime now imports about 85% of the food it rations to the people. The rationing book accounts only for 1,000 daily calories per capita, a third of the calories recommended by FAO. In 1958 the consumption in Cuba was 2,870 daily calories per capita (source: UNO Demographic Yearbook, 1955-1959. FAO).
 
The Cuban agriculture system will never recover until farmers are allowed to sell their crops to anyone they wish. Raul tried to give out land and hardly anyone has taken it because they don’t want to go through all the hassles of farming without the proper farm tools, to then be forced to sell the crops to the government at the their prices. Cuban farmers are very capable, as evidenced by all the great grow houses we have in Miami, but if there is no incentive to farm, they will keep working in one of those pretend government jobs. A well known saying among Cubans is: "we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us."
 
Cuba is an excellent example of how a very successful nation in the western hemisphere was destroyed by socialism in the 20th century. There are so few positive things to say about communist dictatorships like Cuba, that leftists everywhere have no choice but to point out flaws in other countries to keep some of their self-respect.
 
Why not dismiss the two main responsible of Cuba deplorable situation, the Castro brothers? It is now that the Castro brothers realize that their political opponents were right. Many in the 80 and 90 urge the Castro government to make deep economic reforms. They responded to them with repression, prison or exile. Do they realize now that Fidel Castro has always been an inept ruler? Give me a break.
 
It looks that the fantasy island is leaking water on all sides, and the funny thing is how it has lasted for so long. The people, hostage of egocentric leaders, end up driving over the edge by those that command them. The fall of the island should serve to cut the fantasies of harmful leaderships on the rest of the world, and especially in Latin America. Revolution or death! The dictator shouts. The answer is served: death to the dictatorship.
 
The American healthcare system at its finest:

cuba-hospital.jpg

LOL!!!!! Please explain how you figure this to be an American hospital.
 
It looks that the fantasy island is leaking water on all sides, and the funny thing is how it has lasted for so long. The people, hostage of egocentric leaders, end up driving over the edge by those that command them. The fall of the island should serve to cut the fantasies of harmful leaderships on the rest of the world, and especially in Latin America. Revolution or death! The dictator shouts. The answer is served: death to the dictatorship.

Among the villains are those who supported Fidel Castro, ignoring the truth and spreading his left wing propaganda. These ignorants SOB's know who they are.
 
Among the villains are those who supported Fidel Castro, ignoring the truth and spreading his left wing propaganda. These ignorants SOB's know who they are.
The system doesn’t works; it is incompetent, unproductive, and inefficient. Castro’s regime has always been a bloodsucking parasitic, first of the Russians, now of Chavez’s Venezuela. Cuba is simply the longest dictatorship of the planet with a scandalous nepotism. The failures of the revolution, are not by chance, was programmed that the misery in Cuba, imposed by the Castro brothers, would be the way to stay in power for more than half century. But it seems that the economy is the enemy that is defeating the dictatorship despite the "blockade" of US, who supplied it with more than 80% of what they consume.
 
The only way for the regime to incentive private business is to have access to capital. Who in their right mind is going to finance them if there is no guarantee that one will get repaid. The regime has defaulted and owns a staggering $68 to his creditors. The only way for the regime to collapse is to keep the sanctions in place. After that it will be possible to give the private businesses access to capital.

Seen what Cuban Americans have done in Miami, there is optimism that the deprive Cuban people will be successful too in the running of businesses and creation of jobs and improvement of their daily lives.
 
It took the Castro brothers only a few years to destroy the growing economy of the fifties. After 51 years in power the economy is in shambles. They will not be able to revive it in a near future even if the US Congress repeals the embargo, unless massive amount of foreign aid and credits are provided to the regime.

Castroism deserves this ending of failure and the attention of the world while his regime implodes. The way his dictatorship is going to end is not with a bang, but with pink slip.
 
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