Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

Anthony60 · Jun 15, 2015

The only certainty is that economic sanctions have utterly failed to bring down the regime and liberalize the system. With normalization comes American money and tourism. The U.S. will have a stronger foothold in Cuba. More influence than before, and a potentially positive one. Trade and tourism are more likely to influence regime changes than isolation.

Something doesn't seem to make sense here. The sanctions haven't brought down the regime (even though that is not the only purpose), so we should now lift them? And instead of having sanctions, we should now prop up the regime? Huh???

Maybe we should do that with individuals too. If prisons are no reforming inmates, let's shut them down and help inmates become better criminals.

Tuatara · Sep 11, 2015

Thrilla said:
the problem with that theory is ..capitalist liberal countries already deal with Cuba...such as Canada.
over a million Canadians travel to Cuba for tourism....and yet nothign changes in Cuba.. it's still oppressive, the govt still owns everything, and they are immune to influences.
Canada trades with Cuba, and yet Cuba still remains the Cuba we all know.

Trade with Cuba is very limited because of the Helms-Burton Act implemented by the US. The Helm-Burton Act includes such provisions like:

International Sanctions against the Cuban Government. Economic embargo, any non-U.S. company that deals economically with Cuba can be subjected to legal action and that company's leadership can be barred from entry into the United States. Sanctions may be applied to non-U.S. companies trading with Cuba. This means that internationally operating companies have to choose between Cuba and the U.S., which is a much larger market.

there's no evidence that a capitalist or liberal presence can or will result in a positive changes.... the opposite has been proven.... it's wishful thinking.

You don't have any facts to support this.

I'm tellin' ya, as long as the Castro clan is in power, ain't **** gonna change.... they are thoroughly invested in remaining a kleptomaniacal oppressive marxist dictatorship.

Meaningless talking points. Go to Cuba. Talk to the people. Many support Castro. Oh wait, your "free" country will not allow you to travel to Cuba *snicker.

but i'm a reasonable guy.... if Fidel drags his sorry ass in front of me, bends down on all 4's , and allows me to put a ****ing bullet through his diseased ****ing brain housing group... I'll support normalization 100%, no questions asked.
it ain't political for me... it's personal.

How can it be personal unless you actually lived in Cuba. I know you haven't because you have zero comprehension of the real history of Cuba.

Tuatara · Sep 11, 2015

Anthony60 said:
Something doesn't seem to make sense here. The sanctions haven't brought down the regime (even though that is not the only purpose), so we should now lift them? And instead of having sanctions, we should now prop up the regime? Huh???

Maybe we should do that with individuals too. If prisons are no reforming inmates, let's shut them down and help inmates become better criminals.

How do you know that some criminals have not been reformed. In fact I'm willing to bet some have. Prison is not just used as a deterrent but also as a punishment.

Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

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