Critical Mass the Holy Grail

Critical Mass the Holy Grail:

The geometry turned out to not be so hard.

Initially I envisioned thin bands of great diameter, but it turns out, that would be too far from center of gravity. I still don't know the mechanism for collapse, how the outer expanding band collapses through the others to center or what and when does it start falling. I know the time between Big Bangs to be 108 billion years. Just enough time for the inner band to expand to the present size of the middle band. Don't know, but I do know from my travels, the thickness of the band to be about 1000 observable Universes thick. If vertical and lateral expansion match, then the inner diameter is also 1000 observable.

Thus, the Universe, per se, is 3000 observable dimeters in diameter, with a 1000 observable diameter hollow center. The outer band could extend to 27,000 observable diameters.

So, the volume of this band is 26 billion cubic observables. Since a cubic observable is twice the volume of a spherical observable we take 2 x 10^53 kg x 2.6 ee10, and get 5.2 x 10^63 kilograms as critical mass.

5.2 x 10^63 kilograms is critical mass.

Actually, we can double that number, because, we're probably not right at the center of the band, making my estimate small, but double gives us exactly 10^64 kilograms, and 64 is a very significant number.

So what do you say?

Do I get it?

Am I the man who weighed the Universe?

You were never Exquisitor.

I'll take a moment to make a post about a most delightful character.

So, now we can calculate the event horizon.

The event horizon is about 10^10 observable or 10 billion observable diameters in diameter, a million times, 1/3 a million times, the outermost band.

What is an "observable"?

Exquisitor said:

So what do you say?

Do I get it?

Am I the man who weighed the Universe?

You were never Exquisitor.

I'll take a moment to make a post about a most delightful character.

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Sorry, you didn't get it. You forgot to carry the 3.

When I became sober some years ago I thought I'd understand the world better.

Yeah, no.

phoenix2020 said:

Sorry, you didn't get it. You forgot to carry the 3.

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No, you're right and I have to go over my calculations.

Copilot came up with a 17 billion observable event horizon, and of course I don't trust his math, but it is ballpark to my calculation of 10 billion observable in diameter event horizon. The Band is only 1200 observable thick, with an inner radius of 600 observable.

Yes, I did get it, I weighed the Universe, I measured its width, I marked its event horizon, all before you.

Exquisitor said:

No, you're right and I have to go over my calculations.

Copilot came up with a 17 billion observable event horizon, and of course I don't trust his math, but it is ballpark to my calculation of 10 billion observable in diameter event horizon. The Band is only 1200 observable thick, with an inner radius of 600 observable.

Yes, I did get it, I weighed the Universe, I measured its width, I marked its event horizon, all before you.

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You dont seem to know what an event horizon is.

bomberfox said:

You dont seem to know what an event horizon is.

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An event horizon is where the escape velocity approaches the speed of light.

If you do the calculations as I have, the event horizon is 333,000 times the diameter of the Universal bubble, which is 3600 observable, or 335 billion light years across.

Exquisitor said:

Critical Mass the Holy Grail:

The geometry turned out to not be so hard.

Initially I envisioned thin bands of great diameter, but it turns out, that would be too far from center of gravity. I still don't know the mechanism for collapse, how the outer expanding band collapses through the others to center or what and when does it start falling. I know the time between Big Bangs to be 108 billion years. Just enough time for the inner band to expand to the present size of the middle band. Don't know, but I do know from my travels, the thickness of the band to be about 1000 observable Universes thick. If vertical and lateral expansion match, then the inner diameter is also 1000 observable.

Thus, the Universe, per se, is 3000 observable dimeters in diameter, with a 1000 observable diameter hollow center. The outer band could extend to 27,000 observable diameters.

So, the volume of this band is 26 billion cubic observables. Since a cubic observable is twice the volume of a spherical observable we take 2 x 10^53 kg x 2.6 ee10, and get 5.2 x 10^63 kilograms as critical mass.

5.2 x 10^63 kilograms is critical mass.

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The observable universe is 13.7 to 26.7 billion years old depending on who you follow.

You do not "know" the time between Big Bangs is 108 billion in that the Cyclic Model is only a theory and can never be proven.

Exquisitor said:

An event horizon is where the escape velocity approaches the speed of light.

If you do the calculations as I have, the event horizon is 333,000 times the diameter of the Universal bubble, which is 3600 observable, or 335 billion light years across.

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The Event Horizon you're referring to is associated with Black Holes. Defined as:
The event horizon of a black hole is the boundary beyond which nothing can escape the black hole's gravitational pull, not even light. It marks the point where the escape velocity exceeds the speed of light, making it impossible for anything that crosses this boundary to return or be observed from the outside.

The COSMIC EV is a totally different form of EV. It is defined as:
"A cosmic event horizon is a boundary in the universe beyond which events cannot be observed or affect an outside observer due to the expansion of the universe. It defines the limits of the observable universe, marking the furthest distance from which light emitted now can reach us in the future. "


You're welcome.

GIJane said:

The observable universe is 13.7 to 26.7 billion years old depending on who you follow.

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I use 27 gyrs, a model that doesn't use dark matter. It seems correct intuitively, the guy sounded like he did his homework and my model collapsed from Noon to 6:00 am although it didn't really follow. 6:00 am is the Lord's Noon, it's when he comes and does his work.

GIJane said:

You do not "know" the time between Big Bangs is 108 billion in that the Cyclic Model is only a theory and can never be proven.

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Meh, only the day appearances of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu (1486) excite the local pastimes, every 6.8 gyrs. There has been 10:30 pm, 1:30 am, 3:00 am, 4:30 am, and now 6:00 am. So, knowing this, it is quite easy to calculate the time between Big Bangs.

You can't prove the cyclic model, because some parts of Creation are still in the first cycle, where Big Bangs dissipate.

Proof is a misunderstood word. You can't prove anything, you can only know the probability of any model being correct. Mathematically there are things that can be proven and things that cannot be proven. Just like you cannot prove there is a tree in the forest.

GIJane said:

The Event Horizon you're referring to is associated with Black Holes. Defined as:
The event horizon of a black hole is the boundary beyond which nothing can escape the black hole's gravitational pull, not even light. It marks the point where the escape velocity exceeds the speed of light, making it impossible for anything that crosses this boundary to return or be observed from the outside.

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It lies (1.41 x 10^10)/2 observable diameters away or over 3 million bubble diameters, a bubble being 3600 observable diameters.

GIJane said:

The COSMIC EV is a totally different form of EV. It is defined as:
"A cosmic event horizon is a boundary in the universe beyond which events cannot be observed or affect an outside observer due to the expansion of the universe. It defines the limits of the observable universe, marking the furthest distance from which light emitted now can reach us in the future. "

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The event horizon we're talking about, the one created by the mass of the Universe and the other two bands is a normal event horizon of the type defined previously above.

Events do affect beyond the Cosmic EV, because God is all pervading and so we may ask, how does he see beyond the EV and then maybe he would share with you?

A simple exercise, look up to the Sun, you're looking at the Sun as it was eight minutes ago, but how is it now? If I wanted to commune with the Solar Lord, would he have to wait eight minutes to reciprocate with me? No.

So, we find ourselves in a different center of the brain when we ask what is going on there now. The vision of the warm glowing Sun made by the Son fades to a grey outline, although this could be because this center of our brain is not so well developed.

How about at the Arcturus Antares Midway station, do you think they are monitoring Earth and other systems as they were 300 years ago, I won't arrive there to check the place out for 300 years?

Or how about the aliens, we're getting some good pics, the octagonal craft flying over the bases is crystal clear, but they don't show that one very often, and here, a first photo OP, but these guys, like many others, could be from our future. Do you think they get here sub light? The Pleiades is 500 light years, and it takes them seven hours.

GIJane said:

You're welcome.

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Thank you, but I knew this already.

Research says, the two events are totally different.

"Meh, only the day appearances of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu (1486) excite the local pastimes, every 6.8 gyrs. There has been 10:30 pm, 1:30 am, 3:00 am, 4:30 am, and now 6:00 am. So, knowing this, it is quite easy to calculate the time between Big Bangs.

You can't prove the cyclic model, because some parts of Creation are still in the first cycle, where Big Bangs dissipate.

Proof is a misunderstood word. You can't prove anything, you can only know the probability of any model being correct. Mathematically there are things that can be proven and things that cannot be proven. Just like you cannot prove there is a tree in the forest."

Cyclical Big Bangs mean that the universe was created from a single entity (atom, planet, black hole, take your pick), universal shrinkage would take place with the universe reverting back to it's original shape. Some new research says this could happen in 3 billions years, although that's simply a theory. If this is a recurring event (WE have no way to know this) then 13 billions from big bang + 3 billion to reversal + 16 billion to final reversion= 32 billion. That's IF cyclical big bangs even occur.

The part in bold: So you're basing all your findings on Hindi religion? Sorry but I am not a follower of any religion. I certainly would not base an assertion that there's 108 billions years between big bangs on it. We don't even know THERE ARE cyclical big bangs. There's nothing to show that the universe won't keep expanding. And who is to know that trillions of light years outside our observable universe there isn't ANOTHER "universe" or BIG BANG, and there is a infinite number of these "universes"? We don't and we can't. It is akin to the thinking in ancient times that there was only this world. Then we find we are part of a system, leading to part of a Galaxy, leading to a part of Galactic Cluster, leading to part of a "universe", leading to a Universal Cluster (?).

GIJane said:

Research says, the two events are totally different.

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Thank you for discussing with me.

GIJane said:

"Meh, only the day appearances of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu (1486) excite the local pastimes, every 6.8 gyrs. There has been 10:30 pm, 1:30 am, 3:00 am, 4:30 am, and now 6:00 am. So, knowing this, it is quite easy to calculate the time between Big Bangs.

You can't prove the cyclic model, because some parts of Creation are still in the first cycle, where Big Bangs dissipate.

Proof is a misunderstood word. You can't prove anything, you can only know the probability of any model being correct. Mathematically there are things that can be proven and things that cannot be proven. Just like you cannot prove there is a tree in the forest."

Cyclical Big Bangs mean that the universe was created from a single entity (atom, planet, black hole, take your pick), universal shrinkage would take place with the universe reverting back to it's original shape. Some new research says this could happen in 3 billions years, although that's simply a theory. If this is a recurring event (WE have no way to know this) then 13 billions from big bang + 3 billion to reversal + 16 billion to final reversion= 32 billion. That's IF cyclical big bangs even occur.

The part in bold: So you're basing all your findings on Hindi religion? Sorry but I am not a follower of any religion. I certainly would not base an assertion that there's 108 billions years between big bangs on it. We don't even know THERE ARE cyclical big bangs. There's nothing to show that the universe won't keep expanding. And who is to know that trillions of light years outside our observable universe there isn't ANOTHER "universe" or BIG BANG, and there is a infinite number of these "universes"? We don't and we can't. It is akin to the thinking in ancient times that there was only this world. Then we find we are part of a system, leading to part of a Galaxy, leading to a part of Galactic Cluster, leading to part of a "universe", leading to a Universal Cluster (?).

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Well, I use 27 gyrs as the age of the Universe. That way, there's no dark matter. It looked like the professor did his homework and my model collapsed from noon to 6:00am, and I said, "Now why did that do that?" Since it really doesn't follow, but it is that the Lord's noon is at 6:00 am, and so we see that the peak of star formation 10 billion years ago is about quarter to four am, or earlier, and then there is Mangala Artik at 4:30am and by 6:00am many yellow dwarfs are mature and star formation has slowed.

So, we see the handiwork and thus verification. By noon, it is barren like a desert, but somewhere in a distant Universe, the Antichrist will regain his Thronerooms. Whereas previously, we were expecting that here. So this fits in the picture. I personally have readings from planets at 10:30pm, 1:30am, 3:00am, 4:30am and now here at 6:00am. This, besides Christ doing his work at his noon is the primary cause for my calculation. I only use the Hindi as a confirming reference. Previously, these planets were thought to be at 9:00pm, 3:00, 6:00, 9:00 and noon.

But the graph of star formation really confirms the model as I described above.

My model varies significantly from cyclic models. My model comes from observation. The entire Universe does not go into the next Big Bang, only 1/3, and then in another 108 gyrs, half of what is left, and then the final remnant is somehow devoured. The present band occupies from radius 60 to 180 observable diameters. And thus we can calculate critical mass. The width of the band comes from observation. I don't know the other bands, if they are shrinking or what, that's probably it, the enclosing Singularity enclose and the mass is transferred to center. Or it could be that it all comes crashing through. Better to be at the edge and come out in a new Universe, those early quasars are quite peaceful.

GIJane said:

Cyclical Big Bangs mean that the universe was created from a single entity (atom, planet, black hole, take your pick), universal shrinkage would take place with the universe reverting back to it's original shape. Some new research says this could happen in 3 billions years, although that's simply a theory. If this is a recurring event (WE have no way to know this) then 13 billions from big bang + 3 billion to reversal + 16 billion to final reversion= 32 billion. That's IF cyclical big bangs even occur.

The part in bold: So you're basing all your findings on Hindi religion? Sorry but I am not a follower of any religion. I certainly would not base an assertion that there's 108 billions years between big bangs on it. We don't even know THERE ARE cyclical big bangs. There's nothing to show that the universe won't keep expanding. And who is to know that trillions of light years outside our observable universe there isn't ANOTHER "universe" or BIG BANG, and there is a infinite number of these "universes"? We don't and we can't. It is akin to the thinking in ancient times that there was only this world. Then we find we are part of a system, leading to part of a Galaxy, leading to a part of Galactic Cluster, leading to part of a "universe", leading to a Universal Cluster (?).

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That would be a nice number to get, the distance to the nearest (shh) exo-Cosmic Manifestation.

First we have to figure out how far the wall of the Cosmic Manifestation is from the Event Horizon, or more properly, the diameter of the Cosmic Manifestation.

Yes, it's more than trillions of light years, we're already at 10^21 light years for the diameter of the event horizon.

Meh, I'm not so concerned, I had my fun, I told them enough, somebody else can go measure the Cosmic Manifestation, just don't do it in my Causal space, or because of me, or because I owe it to you.

Exquisitor said:

That would be a nice number to get, the distance to the nearest (shh) exo-Cosmic Manifestation.

First we have to figure out how far the wall of the Cosmic Manifestation is from the Event Horizon, or more properly, the diameter of the Cosmic Manifestation.

Yes, it's more than trillions of light years, we're already at 10^21 light years for the diameter of the event horizon.

Meh, I'm not so concerned, I had my fun, I told them enough, somebody else can go measure the Cosmic Manifestation, just don't do it in my Causal space, or because of me, or because I owe it to you.

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You told us very little in a lot of words.

Correction, the Universe occupies from 600 to 1200 observable in radius, not 600 to 1800.

Oops, I was wrong again, I was right the first time.

The inner band Universe presently occupies from radius 600 to 1800 observable diameters.