Crimes at Trump Golf Courses? NJ AG Has Evidence and Mueller is Helping

[Luckyone]

Because he is "special" investigating all things Trump (and his associates) related. Rather than investigating a crime (Russian collusion during the 2016 POTUS campaign?), Mueller (with the help of a huge staff) is investigating a pool of suspects to find any crime(s).

No one wants a crooked President, do we?

 

[ttwtt78640]

No one wants a crooked President, do we?

Yep, yet in 2016 we were offered a choice between two crooked possibilities from the major parties. A rare instance when I voted third party for POTUS.

 

[Bucky]

Well, Trump was certainly aware that the undocumented maid that worked for him did not have any papers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/us/trump-bedminster-golf-undocumented-workers.html

NeverTrumpGop has said illegal aliens are being held beyond there will at a golf course and called a respected attorney a pedophile. He's just making things up at this point.

 

[Luckyone]

Yep, yet in 2016 we were offered a choice between two crooked possibilities from the major parties. A rare instance when I voted third party for POTUS.

Unfortunately, special interest groups are normally involved in any election and that makes it difficult to get a candidate that does not cater to one group or the other. Sad state of affairs.

 

[Cardinal]

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This ties in with the undocumented maid he has since 2013

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/us/trump-bedminster-golf-undocumented-workers.html

I too saw this as the other shoe dropping. The employee in the first NYTimes article is shown to have a known and familiar way for providing false papers to their employees. That was the most significant part of that story, and when I saw it I thought, "More is going to happen."

 

[jimbo]

The attorney involved asked Mueller if they wanted to investigate, but Mueller's office said it wasn't part of their investigation. So this seems to be investigation # 18.

And you, and the AG, turned that statement around to mean that Mueller is involved?

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

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I read a thousand times on this site Republicans would say they want the government to go after not only the illegals but also the employers who hire the illegals.

If this is all true let's see how far the Trump supporters here will go to protect their savior.

 

[jimbo]

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From the article:

Five undocumented housekeepers at the club ... allege they were set up with fraudulent documents and subjected to abuse and racial harassment.​

Oh, Trump's line on immigration is too rich for daytime television....

Key word being "alleged".

 

[Risky Thicket]

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I guess we have to get used to listening to garbage like this now the "the resistance" is in charge.

You might as well charge all the food processing companies with the same thing because there are employees in their factories with false documents that personnel treated as valid. The democrats aren't all that high on documents in the first place.

I'm on your side on this one. Arrest every illegal alien you come in contact with and deport them.

Fake IDs gave Trump resort managers plausible deniability. Illegal brown people were only ever the ones who had anything to lose if they were found out. Wealthy country club owners and managers don't go to jail for hiring illegal brown people. It's only the illegal brown people who are arrested.

IF the GOP and President Individual-1 want to create a better identification program for legal guest workers the GOP certainly have the power. If citizens and Washington want to put teeth in illegal employment they could make certain that employers of illegal workers are heavily fines and even jailed when warranted. That hasn't happed.

Did Trump know about the illegals in NJ? Likely but not likely to be provable.

Fish rots from the head. No doubt Trump resort managers and others are aware of Trump's hiring illegal workers to clear the site that became Trump Tower. They also probably know that Trump paid them extremely low wages - when he did pay them - and threatened to notify INS and have them deported when they complained. Trump eventually did pay them after being successfully sued.

Trump resort managers also probably know that Trump used illegal workers to build a casino in Atlantic City.

Trump resort managers also probably know that Trump has a thing for employing documented brown workers to work at Mar-a-Largo.

Put all that and more together and you might get the impression that the boss prefers the cheapest labor possible, illegal workers have been considered and used by the boss in the past. The boss isn't saying no.

Trump's history of playing fast and loose, working with organized crime and his record of stiffing and attempts to stiff contractors and others is well known. The boss isn't a man of good character. Trump's managers know that about the boss.

 

[chuckiechan]

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Trump should practice what he preaches.

You want to be childish? Here. Just for you: "You should not consume anything made with illegal labor, because you are a party to the crime"

You guys are so FOS. The democrats are not interested in cracking down on illegals in the USA.

 

[Fledermaus]

Tell me how the housekeepers who live at the Trump Club could have forged the documents and why would they try to frame their bosses? Some of these conspiracies that you think of do need some type of motive. Are you insisting that the bosses did worse things to them and they felt the only way out was to forge documents???

Who said THEY forged documents for employment?

In San Ysidro, San Diego and Los Angeles documents can be had.... Got a few minutes and some loose cash and you too can be "documented" down to the hologram and security measures...

Working ILLEGALLY using ILLEGAL documents is a bad thing.

They question is why the Supervisors would risk felonies simply to get workers?

 

[Fledermaus]

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Fake IDs gave Trump resort managers plausible deniability. Illegal brown people were only ever the ones who had anything to lose if they were found out. Wealthy country club owners and managers don't go to jail for hiring illegal brown people. It's only the illegal brown people who are arrested.

IF the GOP and President Individual-1 want to create a better identification program for legal guest workers the GOP certainly have the power. If citizens and Washington want to put teeth in illegal employment they could make certain that employers of illegal workers are heavily fines and even jailed when warranted. That hasn't happed.

Did Trump know about the illegals in NJ? Likely but not likely to be provable.

Fish rots from the head. No doubt Trump resort managers and others are aware of Trump's hiring illegal workers to clear the site that became Trump Tower. They also probably know that Trump paid them extremely low wages - when he did pay them - and threatened to notify INS and have them deported when they complained. Trump eventually did pay them after being successfully sued.

Trump resort managers also probably know that Trump used illegal workers to build a casino in Atlantic City.

Trump resort managers also probably know that Trump has a thing for employing documented brown workers to work at Mar-a-Largo.

Put all that and more together and you might get the impression that the boss prefers the cheapest labor possible, illegal workers have been considered and used by the boss in the past. The boss isn't saying no.

Trump's history of playing fast and loose, working with organized crime and his record of stiffing and attempts to stiff contractors and others is well known. The boss isn't a man of good character. Trump's managers know that about the boss.

Giving them documentation is the exact opposite of plausible deniability.

If I look at your forged documents and say "go ahead and work" even though I had suspicions is one thing.

Giving them to documents. Is another.

 

[Fletch]

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I read a thousand times on this site Republicans would say they want the government to go after not only the illegals but also the employers who hire the illegals.

If this is all true let's see how far the Trump supporters here will go to protect their savior.

If the accusations against this club are true then go after them. But right now they are only accusations. Lets see what happens. In the mean time, what do you think should happen to these illegals using fake documents?

 

[Xelor]

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Key word being "alleged".

The key happenstance being that literally that sort of thing isn't alleged about tens of thousands of businesses. To wit, in my life, I've worked in three firms that have hire immigrants -- green card holders and H1B visa holders -- and two of them have hire literally thousands of such workers, and no such accusation has been made of them. Of the firm from which I retired, there are literally thousands of immigrants working on myriad engagements, and all of them are legal.

It's just not that hard to not hire an illegal immigrant. They submit their documentation, someone in HR verifies it, and if the person is unauthorized to work in the US, one simply doesn't offer them a position.

• See also:
  • Why Employers Must Verify Employment Authorization and Identity of New Employees
  • Immigration-Related Worksite Enforcementerformance Measures

Seems to me that Trump, an allegedly "law and order" POTUS and an ardent loudmouth about illegal immigration would be among the employers whose firm is particularly vigilant about ensuring that no employees are illegals, so vigilant that there wouldn't be even the appearance of or vaguest possibility that any of his employees be(-ing) unauthorized to work in the US.

For by the sword his sin he wrought,
And by the sword himself is brought​

Among the dead to dwell.​

-- Aeschylus, Agamemnon​

 

[Fletch]

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Giving them documentation is the exact opposite of plausible deniability.

If I look at your forged documents and say "go ahead and work" even though I had suspicions is one thing.

Giving them to documents. Is another.

Plausible deniability would mean hiring an outside company to furnish you with workers. That would make it the outside firms responsibility.
Without naming names, a Fortune 50 company with which I am familiar has an all hispanic cleaning crew. This company does not hire these people individually, but employs a cleaning company who provide the workers. Are these people here legally? Who knows. If they arent it isnt the fault of the Fortune 50 company

 

[Renae]

IF the supervisors provided the workers with forged documents then the supervisors should be hammered....

Why would Mueller be involved?

Because what if... the Russians were involved in using the Golf Course as a Base to help steal the election from the Rightful American Ruler Hillary Clinton... you never know unless you do a thorough and complete investigation.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

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If the accusations against this club are true then go after them. But right now they are only accusations. Lets see what happens. In the mean time, what do you think should happen to these illegals using fake documents?

They should be deported, but ONLY, and I can't stress this enough, but ONLY if the employer is also HEAVILY fined, and if it is proven to be a pattern of this employer hiring illegals, then jailed.

If they weren't being hired, they wouldn't be here. That's a fact!! So just going after JUST the illegals is stupid and pointless.

Years ago I read an article that said Texas was thinking about passing a law that would severely punish employers of illegals. It got shot down because as 1 Texas politician put it: (I'm paraphrasing) If we pass this law without stipulations and conditions half the employers in the household, landscaping, contracting, restaurant etc. businesses would be in jail.. Again, this was in Texas.

 

[Fletch]

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They should be deported, but ONLY, and I can't stress this enough, but ONLY if the employer is also HEAVILY fined, and if it is proven to be a pattern of this employer hiring illegals, then jailed.

If they weren't being hired, they wouldn't be here. That's a fact!! So just going after JUST the illegals is stupid and pointless.

Years ago I read an article that said Texas was thinking about passing a law that would severely punish employers of illegals. It got shot down because as 1 Texas politician put it: (I'm paraphrasing) If we pass this law without stipulations and conditions half the employers in the household, landscaping, contracting, restaurant etc. businesses would be in jail.. Again, this was in Texas.

I dont disagree with any of that.

 

[NeverTrump]

They question is why the Supervisors would risk felonies simply to get workers?

I don't know, either they got got by the deep state, or maybe Trump is just a cheap douchebag who likes to break laws in order to make a profit...

 

[Fledermaus]

I don't know, either they got got by the deep state, or maybe Trump is just a cheap douchebag who likes to break laws in order to make a profit...

Maybe... Maybe...

 

[Grokmaster]

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This isn't only what the mob does, it's what gangs, pimps, and pretty much any criminal organization does. This is serious lawbreaking. Also it's really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really ironic and hypocritical considering the President's stances on illegal immigration:



New Jersey AG has obtained evidence of possible crimes at Trump's golf club — and Mueller, FBI are involved in probe


Yes, Trump is holding at least 5 illegal immigrants hostage at his Golf Club in NJ. Wanna bet how many more??? I see no way this probe doesn't end in more crimes like sexual assault, rape, or even dead bodies

Trump is "holding illegals hostage" at his golf club????!!!


SERIOUSLY ???!!!!

 

[Roadvirus]

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Yes, Trump is holding at least 5 illegal immigrants hostage at his Golf Club in NJ. Wanna bet how many more???

Do you have proof that Trump is personally involved in this? If not, 86 your accusations and come back when you've got proof.

 

[Luckyone]

Re: Crimes at Trump Golf Courses? NJ AG Has Evidence

Fake IDs gave Trump resort managers plausible deniability. Illegal brown people were only ever the ones who had anything to lose if they were found out. Wealthy country club owners and managers don't go to jail for hiring illegal brown people. It's only the illegal brown people who are arrested.

IF the GOP and President Individual-1 want to create a better identification program for legal guest workers the GOP certainly have the power. If citizens and Washington want to put teeth in illegal employment they could make certain that employers of illegal workers are heavily fines and even jailed when warranted. That hasn't happed.

Did Trump know about the illegals in NJ? Likely but not likely to be provable.

Fish rots from the head. No doubt Trump resort managers and others are aware of Trump's hiring illegal workers to clear the site that became Trump Tower. They also probably know that Trump paid them extremely low wages - when he did pay them - and threatened to notify INS and have them deported when they complained. Trump eventually did pay them after being successfully sued.

Trump resort managers also probably know that Trump used illegal workers to build a casino in Atlantic City.

Trump resort managers also probably know that Trump has a thing for employing documented brown workers to work at Mar-a-Largo.

Put all that and more together and you might get the impression that the boss prefers the cheapest labor possible, illegal workers have been considered and used by the boss in the past. The boss isn't saying no.

Trump's history of playing fast and loose, working with organized crime and his record of stiffing and attempts to stiff contractors and others is well known. The boss isn't a man of good character. Trump's managers know that about the boss.

What all of this goes to prove is that Trump is a Scammer. Nothing he says can be believed.

 

[Luckyone]

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Do you have proof that Trump is personally involved in this? If not, 86 your accusations and come back when you've got proof.

I am so tired about this "proof" thing. Proof is needed for the court of law but not necessarily to prove one's guilt or innocence.

Case in point, If your wife is coming in at all hours, and has a lot of unexplained time, no longer kisses or makes love to you and bitches like never before, do you need proof to know that she is going out with someone else?

There is something called "common sense". It seems that God did not give that to the Republicans when they were born.

You leave and have her prove to you that what you are thinking is incorrect, if she cares. You guys giving the benefit of the doubt to Trump, over and over and over and over again is ridiculous. It is now to the point that he has to prove to you that the allegations against him are not true.

 

[Luckyone]

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I dont disagree with any of that.

Fletch, tell me that you did not do anything wrong in your life...........and I mean nothing.

Is like when Jesus was faced with the stoning of the adulteress and he said "let those of you that have never sinned before cast the first stone"

You really need to look inside of yourself before you support casting others away in masse.