Cow 'emissions' more damaging to planet than CO2 from cars (1 Viewer)

[Goobieman]

Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the car, or the plane,or even George Bush: it is the cow.

A United Nations report has identified the world's rapidly growing herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs....
...the world's 1.5 billion cattle are most to blame. Livestock are responsible for 18 per cent of the greenhouse gases that cause global warming, more than cars, planes and all other forms of transport put together.

Independent Online Edition > Environment

One can only wonder what the Global Warming loons will say to this.

 

[KidRocks]

Independent Online Edition > Environment

One can only wonder what the Global Warming loons will say to this.

So, we note that you do not care one iota about global-warming, that you think it a farce, a joke if you will.

Go ahead, continue proudly driving your big, fat, gas-guzzling SUV, keep supporting President Bush and his anti-environmental policies, in fact, move to Houston, you'll probably love the smoke-infested polluted air there, you see, they dont have much of friendly pollution laws there, it's all volunteer for factories there. :roll:

 

[danarhea]

So, we note that you do not care one iota about global-warming, that you think it a farce, a joke if you will.

Go ahead, continue proudly driving your big, fat, gas-guzzling SUV, keep supporting President Bush and his anti-environmental policies, in fact, move to Houston, you'll probably love the smoke-infested polluted air there, you see, they dont have much of friendly pollution laws there, it's all volunteer for factories there. :roll:

Houston is no longer the pollution capital of the United States. Los Angeles passed us a couple of years ago. What makes this so ironic is that California has all those pollution regulations that Texas does not have.

 

[Goobieman]

Go ahead, continue proudly driving your big, fat, gas-guzzling SUV, keep supporting President Bush and his anti-environmental policies, in fact, move to Houston, you'll probably love the smoke-infested polluted air there, you see, they dont have much of friendly pollution laws there, it's all volunteer for factories there. :roll:

Good to see you didnt read any of what the UN said.

 

[danarhea]

I have one more note to add to my previous post:

Somewhere in Washington, there is a bureaucrat who is thinking of passing a law forcing manufacturers to come up with a new kind of catalytic converter which can be shoved up a cow's a$$. And if the feminists find out, they will attach a rider forcing those catalytic converters on us men. No more will a man be able to light a fart.

 

[KidRocks]

Houston is no longer the pollution capital of the United States. Los Angeles passed us a couple of years ago. What makes this so ironic is that California has all those pollution regulations that Texas does not have.

I sincerly doubt that danarhea, have you ever flown over Houston? I have, many times, you literally cannot see it! It's awful!

 

[danarhea]

I sincerly doubt that danarhea, have you ever flown over Houston? I have, many times, you literally cannot see it! It's awful!

Read it and weep, kid. Houston is number 5, while LA is number one. In fact, California holds the distinction of having the top 4 cities and 7 of the top 10.

 

[tecoyah]

Independent Online Edition > Environment

One can only wonder what the Global Warming loons will say to this.

They will say....Duh.

See, regardless of the way you try to portray those who believe Climate Change is a real issue, we dont blame human emmisions alone. There has been science backing the Cow Equasion for many years, much of it taking deforestation for grazing into account, as well as Methane and rendering practices.
I can only Imagine what would happen if we asked you to stop driving an SUV...AND took away your steak.....its akin to declaring WAR.

 

[Goobieman]

They will say....Duh.
See, regardless of the way you try to portray those who believe Climate Change is a real issue, we dont blame human emmisions alone.

As soon as you (colletively) start talking about limiting bovine emissions more than you demonize SUVs, et al, I'll take your comment, above, seriously.

 

[KidRocks]

Read it and weep, kid. Houston is number 5, while LA is number one. In fact, California holds the distinction of having the top 4 cities and 7 of the top 10.

I still doubt it danarhea I mean, just who in the hell appointed the American Lung Association to do that survey, and why now? They didn't poll me, did they?

I'll give you a clue though... Bush probably had something to do with the skewed results. After all, we all know that President Bush hates California, to many liberals there.

Nah, you can't convince me with that obviously r-wing slanted report danarhea, Houston is still the No. 1 polluted city in the world to me.



LOL... and I love it!

 

[Goobieman]

I'll give you a clue though...

I'd hang on to that, if I were you -- it might be your only one.

 

[tecoyah]

As soon as you (colletively) start talking about limiting bovine emissions more than you demonize SUVs, et al, I'll take your comment, above, seriously.

Heh....actually, I dont care what you do, its far too late for meaningful change. Hell, I drive and eat meat all the damn time and think little of it. But, Just because I cant see a solution, does not me I dont understand the problem.

 

[danarhea]

I still doubt it danarhea I mean, just who in the hell appointed the American Lung Association to do that survey, and why now? They didn't poll me, did they?

I'll give you a clue though... Bush probably had something to do with the skewed results. After all, we all know that President Bush hates California, to many liberals there.

Nah, you can't convince me with that obviously r-wing slanted report danarhea, Houston is still the No. 1 polluted city in the world to me.



LOL... and I love it!

1) The Mayors of US cities, both Democratic and Republican, commissioned the American Lung Association to do the study.

2) Show some evidence that the American Lung Association is connected with President Bush.

 

[Goobieman]

Heh....actually, I dont care what you do, its far too late for meaningful change. Hell, I drive and eat meat all the damn time and think little of it. But, Just because I cant see a solution, does not me I dont understand the problem.

Seems to me that if you're serious about the problem, you address the larger parts of the problem first.

 

[KidRocks]

1) The Mayors of US cities, both Democratic and Republican, commissioned the American Lung Association to do the study.

2) Show some evidence that the American Lung Association is connected with President Bush.

Just kidding danarhea, dang, have you lost your sense of humor?

Et tu danarhea? :2wave:

 

[tecoyah]

Seems to me that if you're serious about the problem, you address the larger parts of the problem first.

They have tried, and failed. The Kyoto agreement, while fundamentally flawed, had more meaning than lowering Emmisions. It was a gesture to world powers toward addressing an issue that has the potential to effect us all. The current major emmisions leaders failed to back this gesture, leading to a non commital to reduction by those that can actually enact change. Had world opinion on this possible impending disaster been solidified by this point, there would be hope for reversing what may very well be a deadly future for some areas.
The Cattle Problem is somewhat complex, as it might entail massive economic pain, as well as starvation increases in areas that can Ill afford the loss. Regadless, Cow Farts hardly make an impression on those already predetermined to dissalow the possibility of Climate change, as you yourself are pointing out inadvertantly.

 

[Goobieman]

They have tried, and failed. The Kyoto agreement, while fundamentally flawed, had more meaning than lowering Emmisions. It was a gesture to world powers toward addressing an issue that has the potential to effect us all.

Lots of treaties do that. Kyoto wasnt special in that regard.

The current major emmisions leaders failed to back this gesture,

You mean like China and India.
How is it that we never hear of this -- and all we hear about is how Bush pulled us out of the treaty (a treaty that was never ratified because Clinton never sent it there)?

leading to a non commital to reduction by those that can actually enact change.

If India and China arent willing to harm their economies, why should the US or anyone else be willing to do so?

Had world opinion on this possible impending disaster been solidified by this point, there would be hope for reversing what may very well be a deadly future for some areas.

Given the scenario you describe -- who do you blame for that?

The Cattle Problem is somewhat complex, as it might entail massive economic pain, as well as starvation increases in areas that can Ill afford the loss.

Hmm....
Its not OK to create economic pain for those people, but it is OK to create it here....
Hmm...
I think we are getting close to the True Motivation of the Global Warning loons...

Regadless, Cow Farts hardly make an impression on those already predetermined to dissalow the possibility of Climate change, as you yourself are pointing out inadvertantly.

LOL
Seems to me they arent making an impression on those who haeve predetermined that the SUV is the root of all Climatic Evil.

Like I said:
As soon as I see Bossie demonized more than the Suburban, I'll take yur commentary seriously.

 

[jfuh]

They have tried, and failed. The Kyoto agreement, while fundamentally flawed, had more meaning than lowering Emmisions. It was a gesture to world powers toward addressing an issue that has the potential to effect us all. The current major emmisions leaders failed to back this gesture, leading to a non commital to reduction by those that can actually enact change. Had world opinion on this possible impending disaster been solidified by this point, there would be hope for reversing what may very well be a deadly future for some areas.
The Cattle Problem is somewhat complex, as it might entail massive economic pain, as well as starvation increases in areas that can Ill afford the loss. Regadless, Cow Farts hardly make an impression on those already predetermined to dissalow the possibility of Climate change, as you yourself are pointing out inadvertantly.

Let's not forget the underlying basics here. Livestock is still anthropogenic - hence falling into the circle of anthropogenic contributions.

 

[tecoyah]

Lots of treaties do that. Kyoto wasnt special in that regard.

Very true...glad we can agree


You mean like China and India.
How is it that we never hear of this -- and all we hear about is how Bush pulled us out of the treaty (a treaty that was never ratified because Clinton never sent it there)?

We do actually...hear of this, yet I have no say in Chinas choices, as I do not live there.


If India and China arent willing to harm their economies, why should the US or anyone else be willing to do so?

Because we can, and should as the Superpower of the world , lead others by example.....in that perfect world I have never lived in.....heh


Given the scenario you describe -- who do you blame for that?

I blame no one, as this is counter-productive. Instead I have decided to simply accept the inevitable as reality dictates.


Hmm....
Its not OK to create economic pain for those people, but it is OK to create it here....
Hmm...
I think we are getting close to the True Motivation of the Global Warning loons...

My...such a simplistic point of view from someone I would hope knows better. Technology currently available to us, could have made a transition relatively painless, and if done intellegently might have increased the productivity of American Industrial output. Can you Imagine the demand for a non- polluting renewable source of energy on the world market? Makes Bio-med seem like a nickel and dime buisiness.


LOL
Seems to me they arent making an impression on those who haeve predetermined that the SUV is the root of all Climatic Evil.

You do realize the SUV is merely a euphamism for Manmade Carbon Emissions....right?

Like I said:
As soon as I see Bossie demonized more than the Suburban, I'll take yur commentary seriously.

I really dont care if you take me seriously, as your understanding of the complexity involved here is....obviously limited. Added to this is my lack of intent to convince anyone one way or another.....I seriously dont care because I think its too late to do anything about it anyway.

 

[saggyjones]

I've posted this three times before and no conservatives have even responded. I guess you all like to ignore something that you can't disprove or argue by calling me a "freedom-hater", "terrorist", "cut-and-run-...er", or "*****".

Of these activities fossil fuel combustion for energy generation causes about 70-75% of the carbon dioxide emissions, being the main source of carbon dioxide emissions.

Carbon dioxide

Carbon dioxide levels are substantially higher now than at any time in the last 800,000 years, the latest study of ice drilled out of Antarctica confirms.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Deep ice tells long climate story

This means that burning fossil fuels (a completely human act) is responsible for 3/4 of CO2 output, and the CO2 is much much greater now than ever. Can you make that connection, or should I do it for you?

Humans are at least 75% responsible for global warming, if you don't count cows (which are raised by humans, so why wouldn't you)?

 

[saggyjones]

I really dont care if you take me seriously, as your understanding of the complexity involved here is....obviously limited. Added to this is my lack of intent to convince anyone one way or another.....I seriously dont care because I think its too late to do anything about it anyway.

It's not too late. If we took radical action right now and spent a bunch more of our excess money (lol lots of that) on finding new energies, and if every American did little things to output less CO2, we have a chance. I don't see that happening though, so I agree with you.

 

[danarhea]

Just kidding danarhea, dang, have you lost your sense of humor?

Et tu danarhea? :2wave:

LOL. Am fighting a sinus infection right now and in a terrible mood. Perhaps I should change my mood button from "horny" to "sick". LOL.

 

[jfuh]

It's not too late. If we took radical action right now and spent a bunch more of our excess money (lol lots of that) on finding new energies, and if every American did little things to output less CO2, we have a chance. I don't see that happening though, so I agree with you.

Doesn't mean we give up all together and head nose first for a hard crash. You do the best possible to limit the crash so instead of crash and burn you attempt a controlled crash - minimizing the fatalities.

 

[saggyjones]

Doesn't mean we give up all together and head nose first for a hard crash. You do the best possible to limit the crash so instead of crash and burn you attempt a controlled crash - minimizing the fatalities.

Oh I'm not saying I won't try, but I agree that there's no way to stop this incredible growth of CO2 until after whatever disaster happens. At least I don't see it happening.

 

[jfuh]

Oh I'm not saying I won't try, but I agree that there's no way to stop this incredible growth of CO2 until after whatever disaster happens. At least I don't see it happening.

I'd like to maintain some optimism.