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Covid19, the root of the Swedish failure

Do I? Can you help me out with a quote or did you only wanne give evidence to my last statement concerning you?
I already did. Try reading for once.

childish and out of the fresh air - why should you argue if you just can claim?
Riight. You call me names and you claim Im the one who is childish? Do you know what the word hypocrisy means in German?

If that was true Norway would be way before EU on the vaccination curve, which they are not. You can't compare with the UK which has more purchase power and actual medical plants producing the vaccine within the country. Sweden has none of that. And comparing with Norway, that's not a EU member and thus not part of the EU purchase strategy, you see the exact same problems, the Vaccine producers are shitting on them, not delivering the amounts the promised by far. This is not a EU specific issue. It is an issue with the vaccine producers selling one thing, delivering another. There WILL be lawsuits.

According to this link Norway has a little over 8% of its population vaccinated. Thats 50% than most other EU members except France and Germany (because they are the slave drivers of the EU, of course). If Norway was part of the EU, they would probably end up worse than Spain which is around 3%.


The EU is so pathetic they are even buying vaccines from Russia and China, thats how retarded they are.
 
I already did. Try reading for once.


Riight. You call me names and you claim Im the one who is childish? Do you know what the word hypocrisy means in German?



According to this link Norway has a little over 8% of its population vaccinated. Thats 50% than most other EU members except France and Germany (because they are the slave drivers of the EU, of course). If Norway was part of the EU, they would probably end up worse than Spain which is around 3%.


The EU is so pathetic they are even buying vaccines from Russia and China, thats how retarded they are.
My information might be a little behind since I looked it up in January, was curious because my sister and her family lives in Norway.

Why is Norway behind other Nordic countries on Covid-19 vaccination?

At the time Norway was slightly behind Denmark and Sweden, and rereading the source I actually found out one thing, Norway is part of EU's purchase program despite not being a member so my example is moot.

The progress of different European countries can be tracked here:
https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab
 
My information might be a little behind since I looked it up in January, was curious because my sister and her family lives in Norway.

Why is Norway behind other Nordic countries on Covid-19 vaccination?

At the time Norway was slightly behind Denmark and Sweden, and rereading the source I actually found out one thing, Norway is part of EU's purchase program despite not being a member so my example is moot.

The progress of different European countries can be tracked here:
https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab

Funny... the "EU" has almost double the amount of fully vaccinated people in % than the UK... I think every EU nation (only Latvia, Finland!!!! and Bulgaria are way behind) has more fully vaccinated people in % of the population than the UK... so who exactly is failing here? Countries just need the freaking vaccine and it will be used.
 
Funny... the "EU" has almost double the amount of fully vaccinated people in % than the UK... I think every EU nation (only Latvia, Finland!!!! and Bulgaria are way behind) has more fully vaccinated people in % of the population than the UK... so who exactly is failing here? Countries just need the freaking vaccine and it will be used.
Yeah I don't really get it, we're ahead of many countries when it comes to the first dose, but so behind everyone with the second dose.
 
Yeah I don't really get it, we're ahead of many countries when it comes to the first dose, but so behind everyone with the second dose.

It is most likely because your government is following the "British" model, where the second dosis is delayed so to get as many as possible 60%to 75% vaccinated and hope that delaying the second dosis does not cause problems..
 
It is most likely because your government is following the "British" model, where the second dosis is delayed so to get as many as possible 60%to 75% vaccinated and hope that delaying the second dosis does not cause problems..
Or it's just general incompetence, wouldn't be surprised if it's just all incompetence.
 
Or it's just general incompetence, wouldn't be surprised if it's just all incompetence.

It could also be timing. Second dosis happen 3 to 4 weeks after first dosis, and if Finland only just got vaccines for the first dosis (in numbers), then there could easily be a delayed effect.
 
It could also be timing. Second dosis happen 3 to 4 weeks after first dosis, and if Finland only just got vaccines for the first dosis (in numbers), then there could easily be a delayed effect.
Could be, we're doing it by age group, because the older people are the ones in most danger of covid, and I know we recently started with the 70-75 year- olds.
 
Could be, we're doing it by age group, because the older people are the ones in most danger of covid, and I know we recently started with the 70-75 year- olds.

Everyone is doing that. The main problem here is getting dosis of vaccines. Does not help that they had to suspend the AstraZeneca jab, of which there was going to be a large group getting the second jab this coming week. Just learned today, that a 46 year old woman died near here after getting the AstraZeneca vaccine.. died to a blood clot. She had no previous illness.

I am not at the point at blaming politicians in EU countries for the failings of the vaccine companies. If I start to see vaccines not being administered as fast as they come to a country, then we can start talking about incompetence.
 
Everyone is doing that. The main problem here is getting dosis of vaccines. Does not help that they had to suspend the AstraZeneca jab, of which there was going to be a large group getting the second jab this coming week. Just learned today, that a 46 year old woman died near here after getting the AstraZeneca vaccine.. died to a blood clot. She had no previous illness.

I am not at the point at blaming politicians in EU countries for the failings of the vaccine companies. If I start to see vaccines not being administered as fast as they come to a country, then we can start talking about incompetence.
Oh yeah, the vaccine companies being greedy and selling more than they can produce is main issue. All time tables were based on them actually delivering what they sold.
 
It is quiet simple a supply question, including ingredients. Everybody underestimated how massive this mass vaccination would be.
My county is out of Moderna since 2 weeks, luckily J&J is now available. The Hospital is only using bioNtech/Pfizer.
We have one advantage, 73% Republicans, which are very hesitant to vaccinate, so every willing person can still get vaccinated.
 
Norway is part of EU's purchase program despite not being a member so my example is moot.
Ah so that definitely explains why Norway is way behind. They stupidly joined in with the EU plan!

Funny... the "EU" has almost double the amount of fully vaccinated people in % than the UK... I think every EU nation (only Latvia, Finland!!!! and Bulgaria are way behind) has more fully vaccinated people in % of the population than the UK... so who exactly is failing here? Countries just need the freaking vaccine and it will be used.
More BS Moronic Union propaganda. Almost 40% of UK citizens have already been jabbed once with the AZ vaccine, and the 2nd jab needs to be given 12 weeks apart, so they are on target.

On the other hand around 90% of EU citizens have not even gotten one jab! Total morons.
 
It is quiet simple a supply question, including ingredients. Everybody underestimated how massive this mass vaccination would be.
My county is out of Moderna since 2 weeks, luckily J&J is now available. The Hospital is only using bioNtech/Pfizer.
We have one advantage, 73% Republicans, which are very hesitant to vaccinate, so every willing person can still get vaccinated.

Yes and that supply question is the real problem.

You mention Moderna. Form what I can find, the vast majority of its world wide vaccine production is done in its home city of Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA. This company is a relative small pharma company and hence does not have the scale to produce much vaccine. So why on earth did it not join forces with others to scale up production? Look at the list over the biggest pharma companies based on revenue, and you wont find any of the current 3 big vaccine producers on that list (Johnson & Johnson is too new a vaccine for this discussion).. Now I am not saying that revenue = production capacity, but we can live without generic painkillers and Viagra for a couple of months if it means ramping up production of the vaccine by 1000%. The capacity must be out there with all these drugs we consume every year, so why on earth are we not utilizing it?

I know that Sanofi has offered production capacity, and I suspect others have behind closed doors also offered production capacity. Only AstraZeneca has been linked to such an arrangement, but I dont know if they have actually managed to do anything about it.. but it is some what irrelevant since their vaccine is politically toxic at the moment.

My point is, why the hell are these companies not joining together with other companies to get production going? We could do produce tons of tanks and planes during war, but not medicine during a global pandemic? For the love of god, Covid-19 is bad yes, but not catastrophic... just think if it was a different virus that was catastrophic and we had these moronic private companies delaying vaccine shipments because they have "production difficulties".....it really shines a very very bad light on western capitalism and is making me actually contemplate advocating nationalisation of pharma companies who cant meet their obligations....I feel sick even suggesting it, but we are at a point where something has to be done. Maybe the threat of seizing of assets and intellectual property might get these companies to do their civic duty for once.
 
More BS Moronic Union propaganda. Almost 40% of UK citizens have already been jabbed once with the AZ vaccine, and the 2nd jab needs to be given 12 weeks apart, so they are on target.

On the other hand around 90% of EU citizens have not even gotten one jab! Total morons.

The only moronic propaganda is what you just spewed out.

The AZ vaccine has to be administered 3-4 weeks apart like all 3 vaccines. The UK government has chosen to NOT to do this against manufacture recommendation and that of many in the medical industry. Their theory of getting as many vaccinated with 1 jab and get at least 60%-75% protection is better than no protection at all is based on hope and a roll of the dice, since there have been NO, I repeat, NO studies done on any vaccine on what happens when the second jab is delayed by months.

And 40% of the UK population have NOT been vaccinated by the AZ vaccine.. for the love of god. It is a mix between the 3 vaccines.

So the facts are very clear.... the UK has less fully vaccinated people than most EU countries. Being partially vaccinated is not the goal... being fully vaccinated is the goal.
 
The only moronic propaganda is what you just spewed out.

The AZ vaccine has to be administered 3-4 weeks apart like all 3 vaccines.
LOL even your stupid propaganda is once again exposed as a lie!


The University of Oxford partnered with the British-Swedish company AstraZeneca to develop and test a coronavirus vaccine known as ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 or AZD1222. Clinical trials found that the vaccine had an efficacy of 82.4 percent when two doses were given 12 weeks apart.
 
LOL even your stupid propaganda is once again exposed as a lie!


For the love of god.. do you even follow this stuff?

AZ recommends to give the second dose no earlier than 28 days after the first and no later than 84 days. It is easy to look up you know... The UK announced that they would be delaying the second dosis for more than 3 months, which is beyond the time recommended. Problem is.. this policy, also goes for the 2 other vaccines, which do NOT have such a large margin.

But stay tuned... a breaking news announcement will possibly change everything in the UK.
 
For the love of god.. do you even follow this stuff?

AZ recommends to give the second dose no earlier than 28 days after the first and no later than 84 days. It is easy to look up you know... The UK announced that they would be delaying the second dosis for more than 3 months, which is beyond the time recommended. Problem is.. this policy, also goes for the 2 other vaccines, which do NOT have such a large margin.

But stay tuned... a breaking news announcement will possibly change everything in the UK.
LOL youre just angry because the UK now have more than 25 million vaccinated. Hahaha!


The EU sucks!
 
Yes and that supply question is the real problem.

You mention Moderna. Form what I can find, the vast majority of its world wide vaccine production is done in its home city of Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA. This company is a relative small pharma company and hence does not have the scale to produce much vaccine. So why on earth did it not join forces with others to scale up production? Look at the list over the biggest pharma companies based on revenue, and you wont find any of the current 3 big vaccine producers on that list (Johnson & Johnson is too new a vaccine for this discussion).. Now I am not saying that revenue = production capacity, but we can live without generic painkillers and Viagra for a couple of months if it means ramping up production of the vaccine by 1000%. The capacity must be out there with all these drugs we consume every year, so why on earth are we not utilizing it?

I know that Sanofi has offered production capacity, and I suspect others have behind closed doors also offered production capacity. Only AstraZeneca has been linked to such an arrangement, but I dont know if they have actually managed to do anything about it.. but it is some what irrelevant since their vaccine is politically toxic at the moment.

My point is, why the hell are these companies not joining together with other companies to get production going? We could do produce tons of tanks and planes during war, but not medicine during a global pandemic? For the love of god, Covid-19 is bad yes, but not catastrophic... just think if it was a different virus that was catastrophic and we had these moronic private companies delaying vaccine shipments because they have "production difficulties".....it really shines a very very bad light on western capitalism and is making me actually contemplate advocating nationalisation of pharma companies who cant meet their obligations....I feel sick even suggesting it, but we are at a point where something has to be done. Maybe the threat of seizing of assets and intellectual property might get these companies to do their civic duty for once.
There is a problem when it comes to the mRNA, there are not to many companies around, which are able to produce the bioreactors needed to produce mRNA. Those companies are running at full production.
A nother problem, it takes month to retool a factory. Just look at how long it took to retool the Marburg/Germany factory for bioNtech.
There are more than enough doses produced in the EU, but the majority gets exported.
If the EU would do what the US does, prohibit exports, till their needs are taken care of, than there would be no supply problem.
 
Thumbing your nose at someone who can't even get the vaccine yet. How nice of you. :rolleyes:
Appeal to authority fallacy. When you got no facts, use false logic. Good job!

That´s his pure nature - follow his posts and you will know
Another one! Germans in this forum are strange.

They are not vaccinated... stop spreading lies.
Yes they are, my links prove it. Your denials of facts are hilarious. I bet you believe the earth is flat too.
 
Yes they are, my links prove it. Your denials of facts are hilarious. I bet you believe the earth is flat too.

Vaccinated is 2 jabs.. They are not vaccinated.
 
Appeal to authority fallacy.

PoS does not understand that appeals to authority are only logical flaws for deductive reasoning, not inductive.
 
Vaccinated is 2 jabs.. They are not vaccinated.
Yes, they are. Your beloved Spain doesnt even have 10% of people jabbed even once, so stop trying to mask the MU's failure.

PoS does not understand that appeals to authority are only logical flaws for deductive reasoning, not inductive.
Phys251 has no facts to back any of his silly arguments, so he keeps resorting to fallacies. He doesnt know how to debate.
 
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