In the relevant time, there is only permanent.I guess that you didn't notice the "Silly" in the title of that table. I much prefer -- which deal with the medically significant cases.
Indeed, on the exposed bit. Now the extent of that "degree of resistance" and whether it is permanent or temporary are two other questions entirely.
If the 3.12% you are talking about is the number of deaths divided by the number of cases, that is a useless number because it is totally dependent on the number of tests conducted. For example, if you only test people who die then the mortality rate measured that way would be 100%. Since the percentage of the population we were testing has varied widely that number is a hodgepodge, don’t pay any attention to it.
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You got a lot of numbers there, but what's your point?
What is your hypothesis that you think explains the numbers you cite? What are the causal factors?
And, perhaps more on the topic of the thread: Would it also explain numbers you don't cite?
Or does it require elaborate cherry-picking amongst the data?
When we were social distancing because go out and you die the cases were contained. When we decided that we could end social distancing just as long as you wear a mask cases exploded. Social distancing works. Masks do not.
The benchmark for what and by whom? Anyone using the CFR is fooling themselves or trying to fool someone else. RCP is not even calculating it properly. RCP’s calculations assume that everyone still infected (i.e. not recovered or deceased) will survive which of course will not happen.
Most sources I follow are using deaths per million people as a benchmark. That is a number that is comparable among different states or counties. CFR is not a number that can be used for comparison.
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Now if you don't think that the "G-8+China"/Europe/World area set is a fair comparison to the United States of America, I'd be more than pleased to have you let me know to which countries' NATIONAL data it is fair to compare to the NATIONAL data for the United States of America.
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
It's nice that someone in the media picked up on something I've been saying here and elsewhere all along.
We are also facing a pandemic of cherrypicking Covid data to fit whatever their preferred political narrative is.
If Hollywood celebrities have been convinced it's all about masks and restaurant closings then surely it must be.
The media performance on this issue has been irresponsible. Little different than the Hollywood celebrities. Since one does not even see disconfirming evidence raised, one wonders if they even know it exists.
Instead its more stories about people who won't wear masks getting into fights in stores.
And let me state I am not "anti mask". I wear one because I figure it can't hurt. Masks are just one of the issues.
The real issue is there is a lot that we don't know. A real discussion should reflect that. A scientific discussion should certainly entertain disconfirming data.
It's a good rule of thumb that if your theory can't explain some data your theory is wrong.
Whether you get the coronavirus is not just a function of your own actions? It also depends on other people's actions? No ****! :roll:
But thank you for accidentally making the point that we need a nationwide mask mandate.
The article is poorly researched. Yes, we don’t know everything about the virus but we do know how to control it. Masks and social distancing are talked about the most because they are something everyone can do.
Controlling the virus basically requires slowing down the virus transmission rate to the point where on average each infected person infects less than one additional person. If you do that it is mathematically certain that the number of cases will go down.
There are many ways to slow the transmission like:
Masks
Social distancing
Lockdowns
Testing, quarantine and contact tracing
Business closings
Avoiding activities with large crowds
Different countries and states have employed different mixtures of the above, but they all help.
The article asks why Sweden’s caseload has plummeted, but the fact that they are asking tells us that they believe the popular myth that things are normal in Sweden. That is not true. Why the cases went down is not a mystery
Sweden does not mandate masks but the employ social distancing and they have now figured out that testing, quarantine and contact tracing REDUCES cases not increases cases. Unfortunately for the US, Trump has never grasped this.
“Sweden is tackling the COVID-19 pandemic through both legally binding measures and recommendations. The government and the Swedish Public Health Agency have taken a number of decisions involving a wide range of new regulations and recommendations that affect the whole of society, including people’s private lives. There is no full lockdown in force, but many parts of Swedish society have shut down.
Life is not carrying on as normal in Sweden. Many people are staying at home and many have stopped travelling. This has had severe effects on Swedes as well as on the Swedish economy. Many businesses are folding. Unemployment is expected to rise dramatically. The Government has taken several measures to mitigate the economic effects and to stabilise the economy.
Sweden shares the same aim as all other countries: to protect the life and health of its population. Fundamentally, Sweden’s measures only differ from other countries in two regards: we are not shutting down schools for younger children or childcare facilities and we have no regulation that forces citizens to remain in their homes.”
Sweden’s response to COVID-19: “Life is not carrying on as normal”
“Sweden was slow to ramp up testing for any but the seriously ill and healthcare workers, but weekly numbers for tests have more than doubled since late may, putting the country in the same bracket as extensively testing nations such as Germany”
Every time you find an infected person and they quarantine, you are reducing the average transmission rate.
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Sure, and there are quite a few unknowns. The problem is how to deal with the impacts that affect citizens, and for that we tend to go with what we do know thus far. What's still up for debate is what would happen in a place like New York if things opened up fully with no restrictions; that kind of scenario would put Gabriela Gomes' scenario to the test. I certainly hope that's the case, but we have to be prepared if it isn't. So far some states have opened more cautiously than others, so the question in my mind is whether those policies and people's behavior were a driving force in the surge.
I've cited Britton's study in another thread because he was stating a lower percentage of the population would need to be exposed to reach some level of herd immunity, but when you start doing the math on a population the size of ours, it gets a bit scary.
It's pretty much been proven. We have two choices:
1. Learn to live it the best we can and have an economy with jobs, unfortunately having to accept that .5% of the population will die working on both treatments and vaccines.
2. Lock down, and continue staying locked down, throwing the entire planet into a Great Depression that makes the 1930's look like a boom. Every place in the world that locked down and reopened is having surges. The only way to stop it is to lock down and stay locked down, even more than New Zealand did because even they are having a "surge". You have to stay locked down until there is nothing left to reopen.
If you are wearing your mask it doesn't matter what anyone else is doing.
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
It's nice that someone in the media picked up on something I've been saying here and elsewhere all along.
We are also facing a pandemic of cherrypicking Covid data to fit whatever their preferred political narrative is.
If Hollywood celebrities have been convinced it's all about masks and restaurant closings then surely it must be.
The media performance on this issue has been irresponsible. Little different than the Hollywood celebrities. Since one does not even see disconfirming evidence raised, one wonders if they even know it exists.
Instead its more stories about people who won't wear masks getting into fights in stores.
And let me state I am not "anti mask". I wear one because I figure it can't hurt. Masks are just one of the issues.
The real issue is there is a lot that we don't know. A real discussion should reflect that. A scientific discussion should certainly entertain disconfirming data.
It's a good rule of thumb that if your theory can't explain some data your theory is wrong.
The South Dakota Department of Health issued a warning on Tuesday that one person who spent several hours at a bar on Main Street in Sturgis has tested positive for COVID-19 and may have spread it to others.--https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/08/18/south-dakota-tallies-460000-vehicles-during-sturgis-rally
fine the militant maskless a couple hundred a pop when they go out in public without a mask. fine the places that let them in a couple hundred a pop. if either refuses to pay, up it to thousands.
problem solved.
It's pretty much been proven. We have two choices:
1. Learn to live it the best we can and have an economy with jobs, unfortunately having to accept that .5% of the population will die working on both treatments and vaccines.
2. Lock down, and continue staying locked down, throwing the entire planet into a Great Depression that makes the 1930's look like a boom. Every place in the world that locked down and reopened is having surges. The only way to stop it is to lock down and stay locked down, even more than New Zealand did because even they are having a "surge". You have to stay locked down until there is nothing left to reopen.
An entire 9 cases in New Zealand is only a "surge" if you remember that up to that point there were NO reported cases for a very long time. Meanwhile mighty America is reporting tens of thousands a day...but Trump says it's under control so that's ok. You can rest easy.
New Zealand PM's PERFECT Response To Trump Attacks - YouTube
Exactly; hit the idiots where it hurts-in their pockets. A stern talking-to clearly has no effect on these conservative 'freedom!' idiots.
Anecdotal evidence claims "being Bad"' about mitigation can help the spread.
It begins.
Anecdotal evidence claims "being Bad"' about mitigation can help the spread.
Well, uh, thanks for helping illustrate my point. Your need to cherrypick stories that confirm your biases indeed seems strong.
Do you think the CDC data showing that Blacks and Hispanics are 4 or 5 times more likely to get COVID as whites might suggest that all these posts about white conservatives not wearing masks are the problem somewhat questionable?
I have this weird thing where I think the data to be used for a "fair comparison" depends on the point one is trying to make.
If you can't or won't state your hypothesis I can't consider whether the data supports it, or consider what other disconfirming data we might want to also consider.
Are you at all concerned that apples are not, in fact, oranges? And how can anyone logically call a tomato a fruit?Well, uh, thanks for helping illustrate my point. Your need to cherrypick stories that confirm your biases indeed seems strong.
Do you think the CDC data showing that Blacks and Hispanics are 4 or 5 times more likely to get COVID as whites might suggest that all these posts about white conservatives not wearing masks are the problem somewhat questionable?
They've been doing that in California for at least a month. No progress.
It's pretty much been proven. We have two choices:
1. Learn to live it the best we can and have an economy with jobs, unfortunately having to accept that .5% of the population will die working on both treatments and vaccines.
2. Lock down, and continue staying locked down, throwing the entire planet into a Great Depression that makes the 1930's look like a boom. Every place in the world that locked down and reopened is having surges. The only way to stop it is to lock down and stay locked down, even more than New Zealand did because even they are having a "surge". You have to stay locked down until there is nothing left to reopen.
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