You first statement was a lie. The first approved covid vaccine was developed in Germany and Pfizer did not participate in operation warp speed. As for Mr. One and done's rollout of the vaccine it was a abject failure and did not come close to his own stated goals. One of the first things Biden did was to use the Federal Govt. thru FEMA and the military to set up mass vaccination centers to take the pressure off the States whose medical workers were already overworked treating the huge spike in cases that came from dropping restrictions too early. Forcing all the vaccination responsibilities on State Govts. was a recipe for failure and typical of the one term mistakes obsession with passing blame instead of taking responsibility.
Germany funded the development of Pfizer’s COVID vaccine—not U.S.’s Operation Warp Speed
https://fortune.com/2020/11/09/pfizer-vaccine-funding-warp-speed-germany/
Trump misses 20 million Covid shot target
The administration will miss its year-end goal as Democrats warn the vaccination effort is falling behind.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/30/coronavirus-vaccine-target-trump-45255I
Just more TDS. Have a nice day.We have different definitions of TDS. For me it refers to anyone who believes in the lies and alternate reality created by the jackass. Do I really need to publish a long list of his blatant lies here?
If you claim that Cuomo ordered unstable patients prematurely discharged from an acute care hospital please provide your proof.
Here is my proof, or some of it at least. Doctors get SUED for prematurely discharging patients, so regardless of what a politician might order, its simply isn't going to happen on purpose:
A too-early discharge from a hospital or other care facility can cause as much harm as any other medical error committed by a health care professional. That means a situation like this can form the basis of a viable medical malpractice claim.
Discharged from Hospital Too Early: Medical Malpractice?
If your condition got worse because you were sent home too soon, that could equate to medical malpractice.www.alllaw.com
And:
Congress enacted the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) [1] in 1986 to address the growing concern that hospitals were discharging patients before stabilizing them and refusing to care for poor people with medical emergencies. Although a general duty for hospitals to provide emergency care had been established a few decades prior to the passage of EMTALA, Congress believed that the common law rule, as well as various state statutes mandating care, did not go far enough to prevent “patient dumping” practices
“To stabilize” is defined as:
Defining Hospitals' Obligation To Stabilize Patients under EMTALA
A review of legal decisions that have interpreted a hospital emergency department's obligation under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act to stabilize a patient.journalofethics.ama-assn.org
So....once patients NY patients were stable enough to be discharged from the hospital where SHOULD they have been placed?
Not much difference...but perhaps Texans are fatter lol.That particular comparison is incorrect per the data below. There's also the problem of not having solid data on what mask usage actually was regardless of state policy since in some states that didn't implement or end restrictions still had local governments which did.
Cases per 1M Population (Cumulative)
Texas: 101,746
California: 95,698
Deaths per 1M Population (Cumulative)
Texas: 1,779
California: 1,595
Source
Weekly Cases per 100K Population
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LOLJust more TDS. Have a nice day.
LOL
The truth is tough to take, isn't it.
At least you admit you lost this debate.
Have a nice day.
Average age of Floridians is 5 years older than Californians.Oh, so shifting to different states? Well let's take a look:
Cases per 1M Population (Cumulative)
Florida: 107,839
California: 95,698
Deaths per 1M Population (Cumulative)
Florida: 1,706
California: 1,595
Source
Weekly Cases per 100K Population
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The cumulative and current numbers don't seem to support your premise. It's also important to note that Florida had mixed requirements as it related to pandemic measures, so it's not as if it was "maskless" even from a policy perspective.
Got documentation to support your false claim that Cuomo ordered unstable patients discharged to nursing homes? Where should they have gone once they were stable?No actually you lost it. TDS has destroyed your objectivity. That's why I find it difficult to take you seriously.
Depends how the population density is measured...I haven’t looked but if more Texans live in cities than Californians do it can mean that an average Texan lives nearer more people. It’s often cited that Sweden has a low population density ...but more Swedes live in big cities as a percentage of population than Germans do.Umm.. If California and Texas had similar infection rates that means California did WAY better because they have a much thicker population density.
Got documentation to support your false claim that Cuomo ordered unstable patients discharged to nursing homes? Where should they have gone once they were stable?
As if you are some kind of virus expert. You lack the foggiest clue what the hell you are talking about. Pelosi, Schumer, and gang mocked Trump for shutting down when he did. If you want to insist on blaming a politician for the pandemic spread in the US, you can start with the asshole governor in New York and his executive order forcing Covid infected elderly patients back into ill prepared nursing homes. Use a little common sense. It was nursing homes in New York and the southwest where the first cases started popping up and mostly connected to nursing homes. The rest of your post that I did not quote was nothing more then TDS laced nonsense, not rational enough to respond to.
“It’s important for people to understand that we now know 40%-50% of cases of coronavirus are spread asymptomatically, and that’s different than any other coronavirus we’ve experienced before,” Adams said. “It means you can have no symptoms -- no cough, no fever -- and still be someone who is spreading the disease.”
www.clickondetroit.com
Closing flights from China was the correct to do during the virus outbreak, but that was NOT enough since we did not know the virus could spread even when people showed no symptoms of being sick.
13 airports were still open so US citizens could return to the United States.
Scientists thought ( and I imagine President Trump was also led to believe ) temperature checks and self quarantine would be enough to protect our country when we allowed citizens to return home into our country from China .
Temperature checks and travel restrictions was how the world was able to contain the SARS virus back in 2003.
I gave you the links relevant to EMTALA laws. Its illegal for any hospital in the country to discharge an unstable patient to a lower level of care. No doctor in the US would do that. And your "proof" is that I talk to the families? Is that a joke? Unless you can do better than that I will have to conclude that you have no proof, nor can you answer the question about where such stable patients SHOULD have been placed.Read his executive order and talk to the families who lost grandmas and grandpas.
Agreed. Some scientists are also now suggesting that as much as half of the population has at one time or another was infected, but most were asymptomatic. That may explain somewhat why the cases spiked in colder months and during holidays when people visited relatives. Many had no idea they had much less could spread Covid. The vaccines may now be breaking that chain.And as I have mentioned on a few other threads even the shutdown from China did not help much because politicians, scientists and doctors did not understand that this new Coronavirus could be spread by someone who never had any symptoms of being sick.
Even the scientists and doctors were taken by surprise that this new virus ( Covid 19 ) could be carried and spread by persons who never showed any symptoms of disease. ( we had hundreds , thousands , maybe even 10 of thousands of people who walked around like Typhoid Mary killing many people with the Covid virus she happened to spread when she came in contact with them.
Scientists and doctors had never come in contact with a coronavirus that could spread asymptotic before.
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The numbers are pretty close, all 3 States are mid table for US death rates from Covid...all under 0.2 %..Ok, but that doesn't seem to reflect in the data the way you think it might:
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You brought up Texas before and the numbers didn't support your premise either.
ALL of California is populated, even the intense desert parts except death valley. The metros in Cali are thicker and even the sparse areas are more populated. Texas is HUUUUUUUUUGE but with wayyyyyy less people. Quick google search shows that Texas has 29 million people and 268,597 mi² as a state. California has 39 million people and 163,696 mi² as a state. The fact that they had the same rates either means California did pretty good or Texas did pretty bad or somewhere in the middle.Depends how the population density is measured...I haven’t looked but if more Texans live in cities than Californians do it can mean that an average Texan lives nearer more people. It’s often cited that Sweden has a low population density ...but more Swedes live in big cities as a percentage of population than Germans do.
Actually , I have been doing some research on the numbers of the United States population that was infected and the lower range is about 9 percent of the population and the upper range about 21 percent.Agreed. Some scientists are also now suggesting that as much as half of the population has at one time or another was infected, but most were asymptomatic. That may explain somewhat why the cases spiked in colder months and during holidays when people visited relatives. Many had no idea they had much less could spread Covid. The vaccines may now be breaking that chain.
Im pretty sure I got it in January 2020. I lived like 30 miles from where the virus landed in the USA at Washington State. When I was a kid I got the super flu and couldnt move for 2 days and kinda sorta almost died. I pretty much have never been sick since. But in January 2020 I remember walking around town and after about 1 mile I got extremely tired and had to sit down. This has never happpened I can walk 10+ miles without sitting. Then I got home and slept for 2 days. Pretty sure that was the Wuhan Flu.Actually , I have been doing some research on the numbers of the United States population that was infected and the lower range is about 9 percent of the population and the upper range about 21 percent.
I recently found newer data which was based a on a model ( not actual numbers of people who had positive Covid tests)
As of Feb. 4, according to the model's calculations, more than 71 million people in the U.S. – 21.5 percent of Americans – had contracted COVID-19. That compares with the substantially smaller 26.7 million publicly reported number of confirmed cases, says Jungsik Noh, Ph.D., a UT Southwestern assistant professor in the Lyda Hill Department of Bioinformatics ..
Algorithm estimates US COVID-19 infections are three times higher than reported
An algorithm developed at the UT Southwestern medical center estimated that more than 71 million people in the US had contracted COVID-19 by February 4.thenextweb.com
So that would put the numbers between maybe 9 percent confirmed and just over 21 percent ( possible) who had natural/earned immunity.
Which, of course has nothing to do with your ridiculous assertion.Lol...the numbers don’t lie. Death rates in California and Florida are very close ...especially given the fact that the median age in Florida is 5 years older. If these facts don’t tie in with the narrative you’re pushing then please explain the numbers...ta.
Reading opinions of others regarding mask usefulness is not as useful as actually comparing similar places with differing mandates...this is not rocket science...
Close but no cigar. The main problem with your premise is it assumes all states had consistent mask/no mask policies and compliance, and since that isn't the case, this kind of comparison has too many gaps to take anything definitive out of it.The numbers are pretty close, all 3 States are mid table for US death rates from Covid...all under 0.2 %..
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
It's doesn't really matter, and I don't know why Trump admirers still tout his vaccine success. It wasn't successful for Trump voters, they won't get it.No actually you lost it. TDS has destroyed your objectivity. That's why I find it difficult to take you seriously.
We’re sure that my wife got it when we were on holiday in Tenerife....one of the first places in the EU to get it....the hospital put it down as a severe chest infection. I wasn’t affected.Im pretty sure I got it in January 2020. I lived like 30 miles from where the virus landed in the USA at Washington State. When I was a kid I got the super flu and couldnt move for 2 days and kinda sorta almost died. I pretty much have never been sick since. But in January 2020 I remember walking around town and after about 1 mile I got extremely tired and had to sit down. This has never happpened I can walk 10+ miles without sitting. Then I got home and slept for 2 days. Pretty sure that was the Wuhan Flu.
Your ridiculous assertion is that non virus tested masks must work against viruses because someone says they do lol...mine is good old evidence they don’t .Which, of course has nothing to do with your ridiculous assertion.
Yeah , if anything Florida should have a much higher death rate given its population demographics.Different places have different conditions which is why posts with comparisons like this is for clowns
I also know that Scotland had much tougher mask regulations than Sweden...similar population spread...but Scotland did far worse than Sweden with its death rate.Close but no cigar. The main problem with your premise is it assumes all states had consistent mask/no mask policies and compliance, and since that isn't the case, this kind of comparison has too many gaps to take anything definitive out of it.
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