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Couple buys Riverside dream home, but seller refuses to move out in eviction moratorium loophole

Dumber than the usual "I hate librulz" thread.
Yeah you got any insights on the topic? Sounds to me like you fully support ending peoples property rights since you want to not discuss the actual topic.
 
"Commiefornia" is the cause of this problem? Did "Commiefornia" sell the house and refuse to leave the house?

The seller, who refuses to leave the house he sold, is not a tenant. Does the seller/squatter have any legitimate reasons or is he just exploiting loopholes?
California is the problem, because if they didn’t regulate landlord tenancy issues (which shouldn’t be a state issue) then this would be a one day affair.
 



It's like they're living in the USSR:



Because leftists are extremely hostile to private property rights, that's why.



They don't call the state Commiefornia for nothin'.



Remember that progressives see California as the model for the entire nation.
He’s not a tenant so why can’t he be evicted? Do people in California not have the right to expel trespassers? This is probably some flaw in how the eviction moratorium was drafted which will hopefully be rectified quickly. Since presumably there was a contract the couple will be able ultimately to recover some of what they paid as well as the house.
 
He’s not a tenant so why can’t he be evicted? Do people in California not have the right to expel trespassers? This is probably some flaw in how the eviction moratorium was drafted which will hopefully be rectified quickly. Since presumably there was a contract the couple will be able ultimately to recover some of what they paid as well as the house.
He is a tenant because he claims to be which means there needs to be an eviction, oh and because it’s so unfair that some people can’t pay their rent because of the Kung flu there’s a moratorium eviction in place.
 
I know someone who is doing this. The house is in foreclosure and the tenant renting stopped making payments.
 
So the guy in the house should hire some thugs to threaten and intimidate the owners until they back down?

Thugs? They don't do this sort of thing. Not really. Well not to anybodies satisfaction. Meatheads have their place. The rightful homeowners in this scenario require a specialist in collections. Getting a collector to work for the deadbeats would be rather difficult without the fee in full being paid up front. Reneging on a promise is something that is frowned upon in their circles hence they charge accordingly. They have the tools and temperament necessary to effectuate an efficient recovery and collection of damages and interest to boot. Far more effectual than a mere thug.
 
Thugs? They don't do this sort of thing. Not really. Well not to anybodies satisfaction. Meatheads have their place. The rightful homeowners in this scenario require a specialist in collections. Getting a collector to work for the deadbeats would be rather difficult without the fee in full being paid up front. Reneging on a promise is something that is frowned upon in their circles hence they charge accordingly. They have the tools and temperament necessary to effectuate an efficient recovery and collection of damages and interest to boot. Far more effectual than a mere thug.
You're avoiding the point. The guy who sold the house is in possession of the house and the money so he's the one with the resources to force the couple to back down (regardless of how he chooses to do it). You might consider that the morally wrong outcome (and I'd agree) but it is the inevitable one without any kind of government or authority. The rich and strong entirely dominate the poor and weak.
 
You're avoiding the point. The guy who sold the house is in possession of the house and the money so he's the one with the resources to force the couple to back down (regardless of how he chooses to do it). You might consider that the morally wrong outcome (and I'd agree) but it is the inevitable one without any kind of government or authority. The rich and strong entirely dominate the poor and weak.

And that's always been the case. The strong always dominate the weak even when there is government. This situation being case in point, in terms of the perpetrator using government to their advantage. You seem to think that the guy that stole the house is in a position of strength. That may or may not be true. You would be right IF the playing field stayed the same. The buyer of the house mistake is playing

Strength comes in many forms, and there are many levers which can amplify it and many more ways in which it can be dampened. That said collections specialists tend to loath thieves and dont generally work for them.
 



It's like they're living in the USSR:



Because leftists are extremely hostile to private property rights, that's why.



They don't call the state Commiefornia for nothin'.



Remember that progressives see California as the model for the entire nation.
Bet the Guy who won't move out is a republican.

Sounds like the shit they do on the regular.
 



It's like they're living in the USSR:



Because leftists are extremely hostile to private property rights, that's why.



They don't call the state Commiefornia for nothin'.



Remember that progressives see California as the model for the entire nation.
I say every republican who reads this should be outraged. What's wrong with the ussr, trump wants to be friends with them?
 
Selling it as is would result in a major loss, that most likely not be recoverable by ordinary means. This is the situation where is pays to know people play in the gray area of the law.
I say wait for him to leave, then break in with earplugs and backpacks full of airhorns for when he comes back.

I think both have a claim to the property so I don't think it would be technically illegal. And they aren't evicting him, just being terrible roommates!

I love third-way solutions!
 
It is precisely that “partisan hackery” which has created this moronic situation.
In truth it sounds to me more like bureaucratic inertia and stupidity than maliciousness. I’d be willing to bet that the people they’re dealing with in government don’t understand the difference between “tenant” and “seller who is refusing to leave.”

This isn’t an eviction situation the seller is basically a squatter at this point.
 
In truth it sounds to me more like bureaucratic inertia and stupidity than maliciousness. I’d be willing to bet that the people they’re dealing with in government don’t understand the difference between “tenant” and “seller who is refusing to leave.”

This isn’t an eviction situation the seller is basically a squatter at this point.

The law (or EO) is probably written such that ‘proof of occupancy’ requires only a utility bill or other evidence of that being someone’s current address to make removing them ‘during the pandemic’ illegal. Laws (or EOs) written in haste are apt to contain ‘loopholes’ easily exploited by lawyers.
 
And that's always been the case. The strong always dominate the weak even when there is government.
Yes, but one of the purposes of government (certainly democratic government) and the society it operates within, is to temper those imbalances. It isn't perfect but it can and often does help.

This situation being case in point, in terms of the perpetrator using government to their advantage.
I'd argue the opposite. In normal circumstances the government would support the people who bought the house by legally, or if necessary physically, removing the guy from the home. With COVID though, that kind of government action has been suspended (rightly or not) and that is why the people are stuck.

If either party took any threatening or violent action to try to resolve the situation in their favour, the government would step in so without any government at all, whichever of them was more willing and able to take such steps would ultimately succeed. You may well welcome a raw "survival of the fittest" environment but you at least need to admit and acknowledge that is what your proposed no government anarchy would inevitably lead to.
 
This why one should never involve authorities where they can. The paper trail can make things more complicated when utilizing more expedient measures of pest removal. I wonder how much its worth to the new home owners to have their pests removed. For a relatively small fee I am sure I can find them a removal service that will happily deal with their pests in a prompt and efficient matter. Nobody likes a deadbeat, especially those on the more colorful side of the tracks, for a generous fee of course. You can even get service with a genuine smile.

Who is this aimed at? Who are you talking to and about?
 
Yes, but one of the purposes of government (certainly democratic government) and the society it operates within, is to temper those imbalances. It isn't perfect but it can and often does help.

I'd argue the opposite. In normal circumstances the government would support the people who bought the house by legally, or if necessary physically, removing the guy from the home. With COVID though, that kind of government action has been suspended (rightly or not) and that is why the people are stuck.

If either party took any threatening or violent action to try to resolve the situation in their favour, the government would step in so without any government at all, whichever of them was more willing and able to take such steps would ultimately succeed. You may well welcome a raw "survival of the fittest" environment but you at least need to admit and acknowledge that is what your proposed no government anarchy would inevitably lead to.

I think we both know and have seen demonstrated amply the government doesn't step in unless it wishes to. Quite frankly the solution to this problem is not in court but via private action.
 
Who is this aimed at? Who are you talking to and about?

The presumption should be the homeowners who made the purchase of said property in this case.
 
The presumption should be the homeowners who made the purchase of said property in this case.

And? What is it they should do here?
 
I think we both know and have seen demonstrated amply the government doesn't step in unless it wishes to.
Which supports my position that government isn't perfect but not your position that government is always bad. If the government stepped in (as it would have done this time last year and for decades previously), the situation could be resolved.

Quite frankly the solution to this problem is not in court but via private action.
Taking the money but refusing to vacate the house was private action. I'm still not clear what private action you're suggesting would be preferable here. It'd have to be something entirely outside the scope of government laws and regulations you deem unconditionally unnecessary though, and so not the collection agencies you referred to previously (which is why they probably wouldn't be willing to step in to this case either).
 
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