Council supports smoking ban in cars

[Rev.]

"In a 6-3 vote Monday night, the Bangor City Council approved a measure that prohibits any driver or passenger from lighting up a cigarette or other smoking material in a motor vehicle if anyone under age 18 is in the vehicle. Violators of the new city ordinance can be fined $50. The law applies to any motor vehicle on any public road within the city limits."

Council supports smoking ban in cars

Is this a good thing, or a bad thing?

 

[reaganburch]

"In a 6-3 vote Monday night, the Bangor City Council approved a measure that prohibits any driver or passenger from lighting up a cigarette or other smoking material in a motor vehicle if anyone under age 18 is in the vehicle. Violators of the new city ordinance can be fined $50. The law applies to any motor vehicle on any public road within the city limits."

Council supports smoking ban in cars

Is this a good thing, or a bad thing?

There's a similar thread in the Health Care & Fitness board.

I believe it's a good thing; however, there are some people who think it's unenforcible... I happen to disagree on this point, even with Caine, who's a police officer. He says he would refuse to enforce it, even though a police officer CHOOSING not to enforce it, doesn't make it unenforcible...

However, I believe that any parent selfish enough or weak enough not to be a whore to their own addiction for a short period of time to smoke in a vehicle with their child inside, deserves NO sympathy...

But, that's just MY opinion... I could be wrong... but I'm not... to steal a line from Dennis Miller...

 

[imprtnrd]

Good grief !!!!!!!!!!! Give me a ****** break!!!!!!!!!! Lets ban EVERYTHING that nobody likes and then we will all be happy!!!!!!!!!!! People, its time to get a REAL life! Like your OWN!

 

[Napoleon's Nightingale]

Yet another attack on private property.

 

[aps]

Good grief !!!!!!!!!!! Give me a ****** break!!!!!!!!!! Lets ban EVERYTHING that nobody likes and then we will all be happy!!!!!!!!!!! People, its time to get a REAL life! Like your OWN!

Can you explain to me how supporting a smoking ban in cars is indicative of someone NOT having a "REAL life"? What does that mean in this context?


Anytime a smoker is prevented from smoking, everyone benefits--including the smoker. There is absolutely NOTHING redeeming about smoking--NOTHING.

 

[jamesrage]

"In a 6-3 vote Monday night, the Bangor City Council approved a measure that prohibits any driver or passenger from lighting up a cigarette or other smoking material in a motor vehicle if anyone under age 18 is in the vehicle. Violators of the new city ordinance can be fined $50. The law applies to any motor vehicle on any public road within the city limits."

Council supports smoking ban in cars

Is this a good thing, or a bad thing?

I think it is a good thing.When you are a smoker you can't smell how foul smelling a lit cigarette is,nor does the smoke bother you and obviously if you are smoker you do not give two shits the health hazards you are putting your self and others in and rolling down the window doesn't always help.Parents shouldn't be endangering their children's health with their nasty habits.

 

[jamesrage]

Yet another attack on private property.

Private property doesn't give someone the right to beat the living **** out of their kids,nor does it give them the right puff hazardous second hand smoke in their faces.A parent does not have the right to smash each one of his or her children's fingers with a hammer just because they may be in the privacy of their home,why on earth should parents be exposing their children to something as hazardous as second hand smoke in a confined space like a motor vehicle?

 

[Zyphlin]

Anytime a smoker is prevented from smoking, everyone benefits--including the smoker. There is absolutely NOTHING redeeming about smoking--NOTHING.

We need to ban McDonalds and all other fast food places as well. Ice cream shops, need to go. All alcohol, you can be removed. Might as well get soda's out of there too. Majority of Network and Cable TV...nothing educational there and just mostly wastes peoples time, fills their heads with mindless things, possibly causes children to become murders, and lowers brain power...scrap it.


I don't smoke, I can't stand smoke. I won't ever take first available even if its a 30 minute difference because I don't want to be near it when I smoke. It still should be a restaurant's choice if they want to have a smoking section or not and it sure as hell should be a persons choice if they wish to smoke in their own car...or in their own house in regards to the one bill that was trying to be passed at one point as well.

 

[aps]

We need to ban McDonalds and all other fast food places as well. Ice cream shops, need to go. All alcohol, you can be removed. Might as well get soda's out of there too. Majority of Network and Cable TV...nothing educational there and just mostly wastes peoples time, fills their heads with mindless things, possibly causes children to become murders, and lowers brain power...scrap it.


I don't smoke, I can't stand smoke. I won't ever take first available even if its a 30 minute difference because I don't want to be near it when I smoke. It still should be a restaurant's choice if they want to have a smoking section or not and it sure as hell should be a persons choice if they wish to smoke in their own car...or in their own house in regards to the one bill that was trying to be passed at one point as well.

I've heard the argument before about banning McDonalds. I just don't buy the analogy. I just don't care about smokers' right at all.

 

[BubbaBob]

I just don't care about smokers' right at all.

aps, you just showed your true colors to be anti-American.

It is easy to defend rights, positions, people, etc that you agree with. The test of ones beliefs in rights comes when your personal beliefs are challanged.

"I just don't care about smoker's rights at all."

Too bad...smokers are citizens as well, and the constitution makes no distinctions between smokers and non smokers, and it doesn't say one group has rights and the other doesn't.

BubbaBob

 

[Dogger807]

aps, you just showed your true colors to be anti-American.

It is easy to defend rights, positions, people, etc that you agree with. The test of ones beliefs in rights comes when your personal beliefs are challanged.

"I just don't care about smoker's rights at all."

Too bad...smokers are citizens as well, and the constitution makes no distinctions between smokers and non smokers, and it doesn't say one group has rights and the other doesn't.

BubbaBob

the "I just don't care about smoker's rights at all." was pretty much wrong , but hardly anti-american.

I don't think the argument is about weither smokers have rights or not ..... it's about whether they have the right to force a health hazrd on minors.

I personally believe they have the right to slowly kill themselves. However, knowing how nicotine works on the human body makes me suspect they do not have the sound mind needed to decide whether or not to expose their children to the drug.. even if only second hand.

On that note.. the ban brings one word to mind .... Proabition

 

[aps]

aps, you just showed your true colors to be anti-American.

It is easy to defend rights, positions, people, etc that you agree with. The test of ones beliefs in rights comes when your personal beliefs are challanged.

"I just don't care about smoker's rights at all."

Too bad...smokers are citizens as well, and the constitution makes no distinctions between smokers and non smokers, and it doesn't say one group has rights and the other doesn't.

BubbaBob

Yeah yeah yeah yeah BubbaBob. Like I care what you think.

 

[reaganburch]

the "I just don't care about smoker's rights at all." was pretty much wrong , but hardly anti-american.

I don't think the argument is about weither smokers have rights or not ..... it's about whether they have the right to force a health hazrd on minors.

I personally believe they have the right to slowly kill themselves. However, knowing how nicotine works on the human body makes me suspect they do not have the sound mind needed to decide whether or not to expose their children to the drug.. even if only second hand.

On that note.. the ban brings one word to mind .... Proabition

They're not going to put prohabition(sp?) onto cancer sticks, what they ARE doing is saying... "Hey, if you're in a car with your children... wait until you aren't in your car with your children before you light up."

I don't see anything wrong with that and I don't see how any logical, emotionally-grounded person can have a problem with that...

 

[Spartacus FPV]

I don't see anything wrong with that and I don't see how any logical, emotionally-grounded person can have a problem with that...

I don't think many smokers mind not smoking around kids, I think most rational people are insulted that people like aps think we need the law to stop us from doing so.

Its a stupid feel good law. A waste of legislation... People who smoke in poorly ventilated areas with children around are *******s, and aren't going to obey your law anyways.

Anytime a smoker is prevented from smoking, everyone benefits--including the smoker.

:roll: Because you're qualified to tell another human being what is beneficial to him/her... Anyone who speaks in absolutes is a ****ing moron, especially when its freedom hating tripe like that.

I just don't care about smokers' right at all.

Unfortunately being a patriot means that I have to care about your right to speak, no matter how much tripe you spew.

 

[reaganburch]

I don't think many smokers mind not smoking around kids, I think most rational people are insulted that people like aps think we need the law to stop us from doing so.

Its a stupid feel good law. A waste of legislation... People who smoke in poorly ventilated areas with children around are *******s, and aren't going to obey your law anyways.

I agree, people who smoke around children in poorly ventilated areas are shite-head a-holes... I couldn't agree more...

Now, maybe this is the cynical part of me, but perhaps this is just a way of raising revenues, not necessarily 'protecting the children'. I believe 100% the the 'click-it or ticket' are revenue-raising schemes only, for example.

 

[BubbaBob]

Yeah yeah yeah yeah BubbaBob. Like I care what you think.

Shows your lack of good judgement.

Combine that with your statement that you don't care about a groups rights and we see you have nothing to say worth listening to.

Why am I not surprised?

BubbaBob

 

[aps]

I don't think many smokers mind not smoking around kids, I think most rational people are insulted that people like aps think we need the law to stop us from doing so.

Its a stupid feel good law. A waste of legislation... People who smoke in poorly ventilated areas with children around are *******s, and aren't going to obey your law anyways.



:roll: Because you're qualified to tell another human being what is beneficial to him/her... Anyone who speaks in absolutes is a ****ing moron, especially when its freedom hating tripe like that.



Unfortunately being a patriot means that I have to care about your right to speak, no matter how much tripe you spew.

LOL Okay. :2wave:

 

[aps]

Shows your lack of good judgement.

Combine that with your statement that you don't care about a groups rights and we see you have nothing to say worth listening to.

Why am I not surprised?

BubbaBob

Why are you not surprised? Because you're a smoker and you hate yourself for allowing a substance to control your behavior. There there, BubbaBob.

 

[Ikari]

Yay for arbitrarily enforced laws!

I predict a lot of kids walking in that town.

 

[Travelsonic]

Why are you not surprised? Because you're a smoker and you hate yourself for allowing a substance to control your behavior. There there, BubbaBob.

Ad Hominem, intelligent. :roll:

I agree with the sentiment that laws like this insult our intelligence and are a waste of time and money.

 

[Dogger807]

They're not going to put prohabition(sp?) onto cancer sticks, what they ARE doing is saying... "Hey, if you're in a car with your children... wait until you aren't in your car with your children before you light up."

I don't see anything wrong with that and I don't see how any logical, emotionally-grounded person can have a problem with that...

ok.. I can't spell (they took my spell check button away ) Yes I do agree that the problem with second hand smoke is not the same as alcohol. Prohabition was more religious based , where this is more a concern for the health of the children. However I do think those effected by it will view it the same manner.

 

[aps]

Ad Hominem, intelligent. :roll:

I agree with the sentiment that laws like this insult our intelligence and are a waste of time and money.

LOL Insult my posts all you want. Again, the more smokers's rights get taken away, the happier I am.

 

[jallman]

Can you explain to me how supporting a smoking ban in cars is indicative of someone NOT having a "REAL life"? What does that mean in this context?


Anytime a smoker is prevented from smoking, everyone benefits--including the smoker. There is absolutely NOTHING redeeming about smoking--NOTHING.

I dunno, smoking paid for me to go to college. Thanks smokers!!!!

 

[jallman]

LOL Insult my posts all you want. Again, the more smokers's rights get taken away, the happier I am.

It's nice you have your little crusade and all, but jeeze aps...get something important in your life like a hobby, an affair, or an addiction for Christ's sake. Something real...

 

[Spartacus FPV]

LOL Insult my posts all you want. Again, the more smokers's rights get taken away, the happier I am.

He didn't insult your post so much as your intellectual capacity for debate. Your post was no rebuttal, it was simply an unsubstantiated insult.

Kinda like your "cute" reply to my post.

LOL Okay. :2wave:

Are you even concerned with the fact that everytime you open your mouth you not only confirm the allegations of your unintelligble sanctimonious bigotry, but remove all doubts of that you're concern for human suffering is a dishonest at best?

You just hate smokers, period. You hate them, you hate the smoke, and you can't get over the fact that the alleged 1.5 % lung cancer cases being from second-hand smoke is about as much a cause for concern as S.A.R.S. or death by Kleenex.

Again, the more smokers's rights get taken away, the happier I am.

I don't know whats worse, your contempt for liberty or your failure to comprehend that as they loose rights, so do you. Just because you chose not to exercise them, your sanctimonious attitude makes you no better than those convinced by the reasoning that its reasonable to sacrifice the privacy of others because you yourself have nothing to hide.

To take joy in the suffering of others is tantamount to sadism. Woman of the year my ***, more like self appointed WotY.