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Could some half way intelligent democrat please take Pelois aside and explain one fact to her. They need to explain to her how a compromise works. They also need to tell her no matter how pig headed she is she is not going to get everything her way.
 

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Could some half way intelligent democrat please take Pelois aside and explain one fact to her. They need to explain to her how a compromise works. They also need to tell her no matter how pig headed she is she is not going to get everything her way.

The few intelligent ones are probably flabbergasted by her.
 

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Could some half way intelligent democrat please take Pelois aside and explain one fact to her. They need to explain to her how a compromise works. They also need to tell her no matter how pig headed she is she is not going to get everything her way.

Here’s how Logical thinks compromise works...create a crisis by shutting down government, then volunteer to end the crisis you started by giving back something that only doesn’t exist because you took it away to begin with.

That’s not compromise...that’s extortion.
 

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Here’s how Logical thinks compromise works...create a crisis by shutting down government, then volunteer to end the crisis you started by giving back something that only doesn’t exist because you took it away to begin with.

That’s not compromise...that’s extortion.

That intelligent democrat needs to explain how the process works to you too in politics. Just like Pelosi you are totally dismissing the safety of the American people.
 

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They also need to tell her no matter how pig headed she is she is not going to get everything her way.

Maybe if President Trump keeps offering compromises, and she keeps refusing to discuss them, the unpaid employees will start to turn against the Democrats.


At least, we can hope so.
 

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Could some half way intelligent democrat please take Pelois aside and explain one fact to her. They need to explain to her how a compromise works. They also need to tell her no matter how pig headed she is she is not going to get everything her way.

Compromise is not rescinding DACA then offering it back in a half-assed "compromise" after shutting down government over a wall.

All Trump proved is his willingness to hijack government.
 

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Could some half way intelligent democrat please take Pelois aside and explain one fact to her. They need to explain to her how a compromise works. They also need to tell her no matter how pig headed she is she is not going to get everything her way.

Ironically, you just described Donald Trump (the person Pelosi is negotiating with).
 

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Maybe if President Trump keeps offering compromises, and she keeps refusing to discuss them, the unpaid employees will start to turn against the Democrats.


At least, we can hope so.

That is a really sorry post. Your non caring shines through your words. It mimics our current president's position of he doesn't give a crap about a wall, it's all about winning. Just like you don't care either. Your idea of something good would be for public opinion to turn against the democrats if this grifter doesn't get his way. Yours is one of the sorriest posts I've read on here.
 

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Here’s how Logical thinks compromise works...create a crisis by shutting down government, then volunteer to end the crisis you started by giving back something that only doesn’t exist because you took it away to begin with.

That’s not compromise...that’s extortion.

Democrats have been resisting border security for years. Don't expect them to start giving in now that Trump is also not giving in. This is uncharted territory for most of the hard-headed democrat obstructionists. They can whine and protest all they want, they will not stop Trump from moving forward this time.
 

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Could some half way intelligent democrat please take Pelois aside and explain one fact to her. They need to explain to her how a compromise works. They also need to tell her no matter how pig headed she is she is not going to get everything her way.

I find that very amusing considering the 8 years of republican interaction under Obama, and the last two under trump. All of a sudden, the Republicans want compromise and bipartisanship, from someone who negotiates a deal and backs out after the fact.
 

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That intelligent democrat needs to explain how the process works to you too in politics. Just like Pelosi you are totally dismissing the safety of the American people.

The thing is, though, for anyone to believe that, they need to buy into two things:

1) The level of hysteria among Trump supporters is warranted.
2) That building of a wall, even a super expensive one, will doing anything about it.

Clearly Trump hasn't done a good enough job of convincing those with the power to give him what he wants. :shrug: If the threat was as significant as you'd want folks to believe, and if Trump is as good a negotiator as you'd want folks to believe, then this should be Easy Street.
 

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Democrats have been resisting border security for years. Don't expect them to start giving in now that Trump is also not giving in. This is uncharted territory for most of the hard-headed democrat obstructionists. They can whine and protest all they want, they will not stop Trump from moving forward this time.

No they haven’t.

Things will never get better as long as people keep substituting myths for reality.
 

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That intelligent democrat needs to explain how the process works to you too in politics. Just like Pelosi you are totally dismissing the safety of the American people.

It would be extremely more productive if you dealt in reality instead of myths.

I’m tired of ridiculously false “You disagree with me on the wall, therefore you want open borders and don’t care about America’s safety” arguments.

And the process in politics is NOT “I’ll take something away from you and give it back if you give in to my extortion demands”.

Sad that you think that is the process.
 
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Here’s how Logical thinks compromise works...create a crisis by shutting down government, then volunteer to end the crisis you started by giving back something that only doesn’t exist because you took it away to begin with.

That’s not compromise...that’s extortion.

Exactly

And for whatever reason (actually we all know the reason) republicans couldn't be bothered to learn about Trump (he's always extorted people). Well, they really, really want to hate the people that Rush and Hannity and Coulter hate. And they want the POTUS to help them implement their hate.
 

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Could some half way intelligent democrat please take Pelois aside and explain one fact to her. They need to explain to her how a compromise works. They also need to tell her no matter how pig headed she is she is not going to get everything her way.

As long as the polls show Trump is getting more blame than the Democrats for shutting down government and more Americans are against the wall. She won't budge. 41% of Americans blame the Democrats in congress a lot compared to 57% who blame Trump a lot. Questions 43A and 43C. I skipped over a little blame because that is wishy washy. Besides, those who blame one side or the other a little tend to blame both sides or just don't care.

On the wall, you have 39% of Americans for building it 48% against it. A plurality against. The rest really don't care. Question 19.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/1xbksrgzje/econTabReport.pdf

This was before Trump's attempt to compromise, so those numbers could change. But since the shutdown began, they have been fairly steady. I think the bottom line with Pelosi is that only when she, Schumer and the Democrats in congress begin to get even with Trump or go above Trump, she's not moving. Same on the polls for and against the wall.

What's interesting is that Trump is seen favorably by 38% of Americans, Pelosi by 36% and Schumer by 31%. Questions 68A, C and D. All have dropped approximately 3-4 points since the shutdown began.
 

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Trump declared "One way or another, we're going to get a wall."

How does he compromise?
 

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Could some half way intelligent democrat please take Pelois aside and explain one fact to her. They need to explain to her how a compromise works. They also need to tell her no matter how pig headed she is she is not going to get everything her way.

She knows what a "compromise" is and she knows the meaning of "extortion" as well. When a few folks in this forum figure out what extortion is and when Trump's extortion effort ends, then maybe there can be some sort of compromise. I don't think that "compromise" will likely allow Trump to bootstrap new physical barrier funding onto CR's which would allow him to completely avoid explaining what the frigg he is actually intending which is what the Appropriations process does.
 

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NO is not negotiating, you err

Sure it is. If someone says they want to make racism (just using an extreme example) legal again you stand your ground.

Negotiationing doesn't always mean giving in. You stand firm on what's important to you and then negotiate what the other person/company is willing to negotiate.

And sometimes neither party is willing to budge. That's okay too. Our founders specifically designed this system so we would have to argue. They didn't want a king or one person dictating laws.

In this case Pelosi has all the power because Trump manufactured a crisis and stopped governmental services and employee pay to fix the "sudden" emergency.

Trump is really bad at negotiating. He's being schooled by politicians (who, ironically, are way less corrupt than he is).
 

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That is a really sorry post. Your non caring shines through your words. It mimics our current president's position of he doesn't give a crap about a wall, it's all about winning. Just like you don't care either. Your idea of something good would be for public opinion to turn against the democrats if this grifter doesn't get his way. Yours is one of the sorriest posts I've read on here.

Democrats were perfectly fine with putting up hundreds of miles of a barrier under Obama but under Trump, not one inch.
 

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I find that very amusing considering the 8 years of republican interaction under Obama, and the last two under trump. All of a sudden, the Republicans want compromise and bipartisanship, from someone who negotiates a deal and backs out after the fact.

In other words, paybacks are more important than running the country.
 

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The thing is, though, for anyone to believe that, they need to buy into two things:

1) The level of hysteria among Trump supporters is warranted.
2) That building of a wall, even a super expensive one, will doing anything about it.

Clearly Trump hasn't done a good enough job of convincing those with the power to give him what he wants. :shrug: If the threat was as significant as you'd want folks to believe, and if Trump is as good a negotiator as you'd want folks to believe, then this should be Easy Street.

Trump and the Republicans have run into a brick wall with the Democrats. Ever since Nov 2016 their only policy is to resist everything.
 

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It would be extremely more productive if you dealt in reality instead of myths.

I’m tired of ridiculously false “You disagree with me on the wall, therefore you want open borders and don’t care about America’s safety” arguments.

And the process in politics is NOT “I’ll take something away from you and give it back if you give in to my extortion demands”.

Sad that you think that is the process.

Democrats do want open borders. They are for fighting against a wall, encouraging Caravans, getting rid of ICE, have sanctuary cities, a sanctuary state, allow illegals to get driver's licenses, allow them to vote in local elections, and give illegals free healthcare up to and including both California and New York City now wanting to do single payer healthcare and specifically allowing it to cover illegals. Now please explain to me how Democrats are not for open borders. Everything they stand for encourages illegal immigration.
 
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