???Could or Should A Woman Become President???

[Thorgasm]

I think we may already have a woman president. Bush definitely makes decisions based on emotions instead of empirical data. Look at his stance on WMD's, gay marriage, abortion, stem cell research, and presidential appointments! This is of course if we are saying that women are ruled by emotion. I do not personally believe that all women are ruled by emotion, just the ones I know personally.:2razz:

 

[Loxd4]

Emotional person is a weakness. That is why emotional man doesn’t become president. Women show emotions. Do you think a woman could have handle Sept 11 differently or the war on terrorist. I believe yes...a lot worst, like having a new war ever month for a week. and the other week rebuilding the countries she blow-up.

 

[Kelzie]

Emotional person is a weakness. That is why emotional man doesn’t become president. Women show emotions. Do you think a woman could have handle Sept 11 differently or the war on terrorist. I believe yes...a lot worst, like having a new war ever month for a week. and the other week rebuilding the countries she blow-up.

It is really upsetting that sexism is so rampant in 2005.

 

[Thorgasm]

It is really upsetting that sexism is so rampant in 2005.

Kelzie, I agree. It is also upsetting that people are still illiterate in 2005. Why do people insist on murdering the english language?

 

[Loxd4]

:spin: I’m sorry that I am sexist I try not to be. I just don’t think a woman could handle that job as a president. Especially if the women president has a kid or even pregnant while in office. Could a woman under these circumstances make the right choice? I believe the woman should stay at home and stay with the kid. So the kids don’t turn corrupt like today society. But that will never happen. We were right about giving black right but women right went a little too far I believe. But then again today society has change so I maybe wrong.:2wave:

 

[Calm2Chaos]

It is really upsetting that sexism is so rampant in 2005.

You don't think there are things that men can do better or are better suited for then woman? Don't be ridiculous, it's just the way things are. NO you can't do everything as good as a man. There are things that men are better suited for. This doesn't mean that there aren't a few woman out there that can, but they are the exception not the rule. This goes both ways though, there are things that woman can do better then men.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

:spin: I’m sorry that I am sexist I try not to be. I just don’t think a woman could handle that job as a president. Especially if the women president has a kid or even pregnant while in office. Could a woman under these circumstances make the right choice? I believe the woman should stay at home and stay with the kid. So the kids don’t turn corrupt like today society. But that will never happen. We were right about giving black right but women right went a little too far I believe. But then again today society has change so I maybe wrong.:2wave:

I don't think your completely wrong. In todays day and age you really have to have 2 incomes to survive and thrive. But I think if woman would have stayed home instead of going into the workplace. You would have a kids growing up with a lot more respect, drive and intelligence. But some woman decided that raising a family was not important enough work. Probably starting with Gloria Steinam <sp>. And from there I think you can trace a pretty steady downward spiral of family and children. Course this is an opinion and not scientific fact. So please don't ask for some stupid fukin link to back up my thought.

I do however think there are woman that are emotionally strong enough to handle the job of president. I think it may be considerably more difficult or draining for a woman then a man though.. But as long as te job gets done I don't care who does it. Not sure theres a woman around at the moment i would want for president though

 

[Loxd4]

I really don't believe this at all. My seven year-old sister is emotional. Then again, so is my 9 year-old brother.

"Emotional" is just a term that society has tagged on women and expect them to live up to it. None of the girls in my class have started crying. Or yelling. Or verbally attacking others. Yet several of the guys have. But I am not about to tack the label emotional on them.

Prove that women are emotional. With science.

Here's some of my proof:

"It is incorrect to make a blanket statement that women are more emotional than men," she says. "It is correct to say that women show their emotions more than men."

-American Psychological Association's Journal of Personality and Social Psychology

"Men and women do not differ dramatically in their immediate reports of emotional experience, even in contexts that are differentially relevant for men
and women (control vs. intimacy). This finding raises the possibility that
women’s `greater emotionality’ is a culturally constructed idea, based on
observed differences in emotional expression-differences which are
socialised from a very early age."

1998 Study on Cognition and Emotion

Dude, they are seven and nine. There both going to be emotional at that age, that there at. Wait until there 35 then you can use that against me.

 

[Kelzie]

You don't think there are things that men can do better or are better suited for then woman? Don't be ridiculous, it's just the way things are. NO you can't do everything as good as a man. There are things that men are better suited for. This doesn't mean that there aren't a few woman out there that can, but they are the exception not the rule. This goes both ways though, there are things that woman can do better then men.

Did I say that? Ever? Please, I'm begging you, point out to me where I said that. Women are better wet nurses. Period. No contest. Men are better firemen. I don't even argue with that. The job requires a certain physical level that women cannot obtain without them lowering the bar. But when a person tries to tell me that MY gender cannot lead as well as men because of some social role thrust on us that has been scientifically proven false, I reserve every right to call it a sexist belief.

 

[Kelzie]

:spin: I’m sorry that I am sexist I try not to be. I just don’t think a woman could handle that job as a president. Especially if the women president has a kid or even pregnant while in office. Could a woman under these circumstances make the right choice? I believe the woman should stay at home and stay with the kid. So the kids don’t turn corrupt like today society. But that will never happen. We were right about giving black right but women right went a little too far I believe. But then again today society has change so I maybe wrong.:2wave:

Women's rights went to far? I am in shock that you just said that. I really find it hard to believe that you "try" not to be sexist. It seems like you roll in it like a pig in mud cause it's the only way that you can feel superior. I think men can stay home just as easily.

 

[Kelzie]

Dude, they are seven and nine. There both going to be emotional at that age, that there at. Wait until there 35 then you can use that against me.

Why? It's not like you'd listen anyway. I could post thousands of studies that said that women were no more emotional than men and you'd still be covering your ears and humming "girls smell" under your breath.

 

[ngdawg]

:spin: I’m sorry that I am sexist I try not to be. I just don’t think a woman could handle that job as a president. Especially if the women president has a kid or even pregnant while in office. Could a woman under these circumstances make the right choice? I believe the woman should stay at home and stay with the kid. So the kids don’t turn corrupt like today society. But that will never happen. We were right about giving black right but women right went a little too far I believe. But then again today society has change so I maybe wrong.:2wave:

:censored

Saying you're sorry means you don't really think that way, then you turn around and SAY the very bigoted thing you said you were sorry for!!!
Indira Ghandi
Golda Meir
Margaret Thatcher
Think they stayed home with the kids? Think their kids turned out corrupted?
How did 'we' go too far giving women the right to vote?

/me thinks you ARE wrong, not maybe.....:roll:

 

[ddoyle00]

I have served in a combat position with the American Army and I am currently in the last few months of my second deployment. In my personal experience, I would have second thoughts about a female leading me into a firefight, BUT I have worked with some very tough ladies both mentally and physically. The same thing would happen to a female President in the White House since the Pentagon is very male dominated and there is a lot of posturing. A male four star General would have big problems taking orders from a female, but hopefully recognize the position and not the gender. So what I am saying is that it would take a very long while for our country to get past the shock, but they would get over it and it would be buisness as usual.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

:censored

Saying you're sorry means you don't really think that way, then you turn around and SAY the very bigoted thing you said you were sorry for!!!
Indira Ghandi
Golda Meir
Margaret Thatcher
Think they stayed home with the kids? Think their kids turned out corrupted?
How did 'we' go too far giving women the right to vote?

/me thinks you ARE wrong, not maybe.....:roll:

I definetly think that woman moving from the home to the workplace is the catalyst to a number of social problems this country is facing today

 

[bandaidwoman]

Not like a woman becomes president its peace and love time. I believe almost every woman that has led a major nation has led that nation into war. Course I could be wrong, I read that someplace a long time ago

Margaret Thatcher is another exception.

 

[bandaidwoman]

I definetly think that woman moving from the home to the workplace is the catalyst to a number of social problems this country is facing today

This is a very broad generalization so watch what you say. The breakup of the nuclear family may be a better way to say this and it is more than women entering the work force....and that is another debate. ( But that does not mean a nuclear family cannot consist of non traditional players. Ie: aunt, granparent at home to help watch kids, etc. )


Why can't men stay at home then? They are just as capable of running a household and managing children. My husband stopped working when we had kids (I work 85-100 hours a week) and is a Mr. Mom to our children, especially when we make more than the husband in terms of salary.

 

[Loxd4]

I definetly think that woman moving from the home to the workplace is the catalyst to a number of social problems this country is facing today

That is so true when woman got out of the home to work. The Nation went down as a whole. It's not the women fault that they had to work. It’s because of low wages and higher living standers. I talk to my woman boss about what I said on this forum. And she agrees with me and other women. If we do have a female president and with her mess-up there will be no more try’s for the woman to become president anytime soon.

And again women are way better at home they have the patients to watch the kid's, clean the house, and cook dinner. Man(me) dont have the patients to do all this withou lost there temps.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Margaret Thatcher is another exception.

Are you just going to forget about the Falklands war? Or does that not count for some reason?

 

[bandaidwoman]

Are you just going to forget about the Falklands war? Or does that not count for some reason?

i guess i saw it as more reagan's war, but you are right, i should have counted that.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

This is a very broad generalization so watch what you say. The breakup of the nuclear family may be a better way to say this and it is more than women entering the work force....and that is another debate. ( But that does not mean a nuclear family cannot consist of non traditional players. Ie: aunt, granparent at home to help watch kids, etc. )


Why can't men stay at home then? They are just as capable of running a household and managing children. My husband stopped working when we had kids (I work 85-100 hours a week) and is a Mr. Mom to our children, especially when we make more than the husband in terms of salary.

It was meant as a broad sweeping statement. I think there is a direct result between the disintergration of the American family and basic respect, ethics and values to woman moving from the home to the workplace. Non traditional families are just that. They are not and never will be a proper replacement or substitute for a regular family. They are back ups used in times of trouble and or strife witin a family.

I never said men can't stay at home. But I believe as a whole the ideals you learned from your mother in those years. They were the catalyst for the compassion respect and drive you have and use in your adult life. I think men and woman are different. As a rule I think woman are more compassionate and respectful of other and there feelings then men. I think the lack of this in kids now is very evident.

 

[bandaidwoman]

It was meant as a broad sweeping statement. I think there is a direct result between the disintergration of the American family and basic respect, ethics and values to woman moving from the home to the workplace. Non traditional families are just that. They are not and never will be a proper replacement or substitute for a regular family. They are back ups used in times of trouble and or strife witin a family.

I never said men can't stay at home. But I believe as a whole the ideals you learned from your mother in those years. They were the catalyst for the compassion respect and drive you have and use in your adult life. I think men and woman are different. As a rule I think woman are more compassionate and respectful of other and there feelings then men. I think the lack of this in kids now is very evident.

There are quite a few cultures have non traditional nuclear families but I'lll leave that to those with better anthropological education than I do.

I think men are equally compassionate and respectful but may not be socialized into this and are just as capable of thier role as "emotional" ethical teachers in the household. My husband is much more patient with regards to all aspects of child rearing but interestingly, he also had a non traditional upbringing so it was always fostered in him that the father was as much the social, emotional teacher of children as women.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

There are quite a few cultures have non traditional nuclear families but I'lll leave that to those with better anthropological education than I do.

I think men are equally compassionate and respectful but may not be socialized into this and are just as capable of thier role as "emotional" ethical teachers in the household. My husband is much more patient with regards to all aspects of child rearing but interestingly, he also had a non traditional upbringing so it was always fostered in him that the father was as much the social, emotional teacher of children as women.

I believe him to be the exception not the rule. I don't think that men as a whole have nearly the compassion, or patience that woman do. I think genetically for obvious reasons woman are better suited for raising children. And i think the lack of a mother at home has definetly hurt the family in this country. You are seeing far more violent behavior over the last 3 decades then you ever did IMO. And what seems to amount to a complete lack of respect or compassion for each other and there propoerty. It just seems that those values are not being taught at home anymore. They are being shoved out the door for the school to raise or there friends.

 

[bandaidwoman]

I believe him to be the exception not the rule. I don't think that men as a whole have nearly the compassion, or patience that woman do. I think genetically for obvious reasons woman are better suited for raising children. And i think the lack of a mother at home has definetly hurt the family in this country. You are seeing far more violent behavior over the last 3 decades then you ever did IMO. And what seems to amount to a complete lack of respect or compassion for each other and there propoerty. It just seems that those values are not being taught at home anymore. They are being shoved out the door for the school to raise or there friends.

There is no question there are male female differences in thinking/learning patterns and to say the contrary, despite any political or feminist ideology is wrong.

However, this type of thinking hurts men as well as women. I see the unfair child custody laws (overwhelmingly unfair towards men) stemming from this societal myth that women make better childcare providers.

Humans as a whole are byproducts of nurture as well as nature.

As children, girls are given dolls to nurture and hold and take care of while that is utterly discouraged in boys. And when boys do take to liking dolls they become chastised. (my cousin who is normal heterosexual mathmetatician for Bank of America is a prime example)

I will use the stereotype about sciences and math.

My brain is hard wired for more fluid thinking and intuitive thinking but I went on to excel and get a PHD in a very analytical field, Inorganic chemisty and my twin in software engineering . Study after study by the way shows that girls are equally capable in math and sciences in elementary school but we depart after that and many experts think it is due to different learning patterns (cooperative learning, intuition etc. ) and not to mention societal pressure! (I remember coming home crying because my sixth grade math teacher told me women don't become astronauts because we can't excel in the prerequisite physics courses. My father of course straightened that out.)

Anyway, what I am saying is : male brains may be more hardwired for mathmatics and analytical sciences but many women make that transition easily and excel (look at all the women nobel prize physicists and mathmaticians if you do a google search) with the right teaching and encouragement. And the converse is true about female propensity for learning languages. Our brains our hardwired for better language development (and english is my fourth language) but I know a man in my academic institution who speaks 15 fluently!

The same can be said for managing the household and children and developing a nurturing personality. Unfortunately, society does not "nurture" this aspect of the man to the same level it "nurtures" burgeoning female scientists and mathmaticians etc.

I really think men get the raw end of the deal in this respect!


( I personally believe women's brain are more adept at multitasking and lateral fluid thinking and thus make better physicians and CEOs and other jobs where the brain has to function on mutliple multiple levels vs . say computer programming where it is much more single task oriented. Of course my sister would killl me if she knew I thought that was the case since she is a software designer.) And yes, you can throw a tomatoe at me.

 

[liberal1]

Should a woman become president, certaintly. Though there are differences in the male and female chemical make up and thought process, I don't think that one way is superior or inferior to the other. Could a woman become President, not right now for certain. Sexism is alive and well in America. A woman just wouldn't be taken seriously and would be seen as a joke to many. I hope I'm wrong, but I honestly believe I'm right.

 

[Loxd4]

Well are you an astronaut yet? Or are you in physics training, right now?
Does anyone know the ratio of women becoming astronauts over men? How about the ratio of women getting and keeping high profile job's over men? Now I wonder what you come up with for the results?