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You encourage stealing?
Tasing a child?
You encourage stealing?
Wow!!
Judgement like yours is why I support gun control.
Judgement?!? Where? When? How? :lamo
Oh pleeaaase, cry me a river. She stole snacks and loaded them into her backpack, while she was surrounded by her friends and a sibling.
Yeah, right, next thing you're gonna try to convince us that that bunch of Americans was starving in the US of A. :lamo
"Police said body cameras were not turned on during this incident."
Or recordings were erased...
I wonder who is going to be the first to claim that 11 year olds can be dangerous, that the cop was probably scared, that the kid deserved it because he wasn't obeying commands, yadda yadda.
“We are extremely concerned when force is used by one of our officers on a child of this age,” Cincinnati police chief Eliot Isaac said in the statement. He added the department will undertake a “very thorough review” of its use of force policies on juveniles in the wake of the incident. According to the Cincinnati Police Department’s use of force policy, “the TASER is designed for self-defense or to temporarily immobilize a subject who is actively resisting arrest.”
If you look at what I wrote, I didn't defend the police action, I discussed the young girl's actions. I also discussed potential mitigating circumstances that we as a society should be concerned about with regard to this young girl.
Nothing automatic about it, nor is it a defense of the officers. There are two distinct actions in this story - the young girl that stole and then ran from the police, and the police actions. I focused on the former, not the latter.
As for the latter, I don't support tasing a young child. I can understand why they did so, but I don't agree with it nor do I support it. That said, everything I said in my previous post still stands. The young lady made the choices that led to this result, not the police.
People make choices every day. Some folks think that others should be blamed for the choices they make, rather than taking responsibility for their own actions. As an attorney, I would think that you of all people here would have the intellect to have seen the actual focus of my post without deflecting as if I was defending the tasing, but unless I completely misread your post, I was wrong about that.
When you say she had it coming and no more, that functions as a defense of the officer. And what you posted boiled down to she had it coming. You end up repeating it here, talking about the "choices" she made.
The choices she made were wrong and she should be punished. But she's also an 11 year old and she was tazed by the police which is absolutely ridiculous.
Greetings, Rogue Valley. :2wave:
WHY would an 11-year old girl steal FOOD? Doesn't this bother people? It would be different if she stole some clothing from a department store, but FOOD? I could cry that she was tasered - :thumbdown:
I said she made the choices that led to the event. I never said she "had it coming."
A couple of points. The article says she resisted (whatever that means) and fled so presumably she was tased while fleeing and not representing any kind of danger to any one. So the use of the taser should be questioned on those grounds alone completely forgetting that she's only a kid.
You can go back to the root cause being the girl's decision to steal but that doesn't clear the cop who made a concious decision to employ a potentially lethal device against a child who didn't represent a danger to the cop. Just because someone decides to break the law it does not give LE carte blanche do treat them in any manner they desire.
Good points, but a taser is legal to use to subdue a fleeing suspect, which is why I said I can understand why the cops did this. Tasing a kid is still not a cool thing to do. Nowhere in any of my posts will you find me excusing the use of a taser on a child. However, nowhere in my posts will you find me excusing what the young lady did, either, which some can say to be doing by omitting her actions from the dialogue in this thread.
He read your post exactly the same way I did. He just didn't respond as forcefully.
:shrug:
Simply not true. You cannot pigeon-hole every single scenario with a blanket statement.
In this case; however, it would appear than an off-duty cop tasered the child in the back as she attempted to flee. This is completely unacceptable and should lead to a dismissal, if not charges.
Greetings, Rogue Valley. :2wave:
WHY would an 11-year old girl steal FOOD? Doesn't this bother people? It would be different if she stole some clothing from a department store, but FOOD? I could cry that she was tasered - :thumbdown:
We're not talking about a kid with a gun pointed at a cop. We're talking about an 11 year old girl, and I do not think an officer who is physically incapable of controlling a kid that age should be on the street, whether it's age, weight, or whatever cause.
(Of course, if it was just laziness and the cop didn't want to run, that's even worse)
Greetings, Barnacle. :2wave:
You must have access to information that the rest of us don't have since you know what food she stole, which you indicate are "snacks." All I am saying is that in too many places in this country, schools have been sending food home in backpacks so children will have something to eat over the weekend - they apparently keep them fed during the week. A new school year will be starting soon.....
I agree with Hawkeye10 when he argues that we used to do better as a country than what we're reading about now - in so many ways! Sad.......
Yes; I have access to special information ... my access code is: google
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...eploy-taser-11-year-old-shoplifter/929492002/
"Police said body cameras were not turned on during this incident."
Or recordings were erased...
The girl, who is African-American, was suspected of shoplifting food, Councilman Jeff Pastor said on Wednesday. The officer, who is also black, was off duty and working a security detail for the Kroger grocery store where the incident happened, Mr. Pastor said.
"Police said body cameras were not turned on during this incident."
Or recordings were erased...
or it was poor reporting
I wonder who is going to be the first to claim that 11 year olds can be dangerous, that the cop was probably scared, that the kid deserved it because he wasn't obeying commands, yadda yadda.
but hey lets jump to the tin foil conspiracies first :shrug:
Someone can't tell a tongue-in-cheek remark from serious argument.
The problem is that the police tazed a little girl, a potentially fatal move. And they did it because they either could not or were too lazy to run after her. Shouldn't someone ostensibly concerned about government abuse of power be concerned about government agents tazing little girls?
Cincinnati cops use Taser on 11-year-old girl caught stealing from Kroger supermarket
Unless their safety is threatened with a weapon, I see no reason for police officers to use a taser on an 11 year old girl suspected of misdemeanor theft (shoplifting).
Related: Taser used on 11-year-old who stole food, Cincinnati police say
govt abuse of power by Kroger? thats a new one. Im obviously bad at this, are you still joking or trying to make a serious argument?
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