Cookout employess refused to serve Trump supporters

[year2late]

Your comment proves my point.

Not at all, really.

But go ahead and paint your broad brush.

 

[apdst]

Not at all, really.

But go ahead and paint your broad brush.

Yeah, your personal attack proves my point perfectly.

 

[Scrabaholic]

It sounds like the case of the baker and the gay marriage.

Not quite, since in the state of the baker and gay marriage case, discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is illegal. Discrimination on the basis of political affiliation is not illegal in any state that I am aware of.

 

[ellesdee]

Democratic Socialist vs Socialist.


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The economic policy is still the same. Only the method of implementation would be different. Sanders is a social democrat, regardless of what he calls himself.

 

[Napoleon]

Unless it is a Christian baker....right? Another example of the left's hypocrisy.

Not really. Christian bakers can refuse service too, but they have to take their lumps just like this employee did.

 

[rocket88]

Unless it is a Christian baker....right?

Another example of the left's hypocrisy.

Well of course, that baker was right. Because they presumably vote Republican.

 

[Aberration]

The economic policy is still the same. Only the method of implementation would be different. Sanders is a social democrat, regardless of what he calls himself.

So a social democrat is different from a democratic socialist how?


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[ellesdee]

So a social democrat is different from a democratic socialist how?


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Social democrats support certain social and economic policies within a capitalist structure that help prevent possible injustices that can arise within a purely capitalist economy.

 

[Aberration]

Social democrats support certain social and economic policies within a capitalist structure that help prevent possible injustices that can arise within a purely capitalist economy.

Sounds like semantics to me. Bernie supports the democratic control of the economy in many ways.

In 2006, Sanders himself defined what he meant by the term. He stated: “… I think it means the government has got to play a very important role in making sure that as a right of citizenship, all of our people have health care; that as a right, all of our kids, regardless of income, have quality child care, are able to go to college without going deeply into debt; that it means we do not allow large corporations and moneyed interests to destroy our environment; that we create a government in which it is not dominated by big money interest. I mean, to me, it means democracy, frankly.’’

Social democrat is a bit vague. It just states supporting social and economic policies within a capitalist structure..... But if the policies they support cross the line to democratic control versus individual control, then it becomes Democratic Socialism.


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[Henrin]

Uh, no, we don't assume it, or at least thinking people don't assume it.

But you know that, you just want to apply a different standard to Bernie and his followers than you would to any other politician running for office or their supporters. Just as an example, anyone who thinks Cruz, Trump and Jeb (who all label themselves "republicans") have the same position on every issue is not very bright, or not paying attention, or both.

Are you serious? Ok, when you see the label Libertarian what comes to mind? When you decide to say you follow an ideology certain things people will think you believe. Why? BECAUSE IDEOLOGIES MEAN SOMETHING!

 

[JasperL]

I just pointed out they don't have all the same views. Which is why they use other labels like Conservative. Bush didn't, because he is an establishment Republican. Just like Hillary doesn't use other labels.

Exactly, they don't have all the same views, and yet they are all "republicans." BTW, when you locate that list of positions all "republicans" agree to, why not show me the one that all "conservatives" agree to as well. Should be fun.

 

[Aberration]

Exactly, they don't have all the same views, and yet they are all "republicans." BTW, when you locate that list of positions all "republicans" agree to, why not show me the one that all "conservatives" agree to as well. Should be fun.

Yeah it's simply amazing how many shades of grey there is. Yet they are all still grey.


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[ellesdee]

Are you serious? Ok, when you see the label Libertarian what comes to mind? When you decide to say you follow an ideology certain things people will think you believe. Why? BECAUSE IDEOLOGIES MEAN SOMETHING!

Initially perhaps, but then sometimes you listen to a self-professed libertarian talk about his ideas, and you suddenly realize, he's not a libertarian.

 

[ellesdee]

Sounds like semantics to me. Bernie supports the democratic control of the economy in many ways.

A socialist, democratic or otherwise, would want to completely eliminate capitalism in favor of socialism. That's a big difference from wanting to incorporate some socialist policies within a capitalist system.

 

[Aberration]

A socialist, democratic or otherwise, would want to completely eliminate capitalism in favor of socialism. That's a big difference from wanting to incorporate some socialist policies within a capitalist system.

Democratic control does eliminate capitalism. It's the very point of democratic control.


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[Henrin]

A socialist, democratic or otherwise, would want to completely eliminate capitalism in favor of socialism. That's a big difference from wanting to incorporate some socialist policies within a capitalist system.

Does the words "democratically controlled economy" mean anything to you?

Oh and btw, democratic socialists favor putting socialist policies in a capitalist system in the short term.

 

[JasperL]

Are you serious? Ok, when you see the label Libertarian what comes to mind? When you decide to say you follow an ideology certain things people will think you believe. Why? BECAUSE IDEOLOGIES MEAN SOMETHING!

I agree, ideologies mean something. But if I want to know Gary Johnson's position on something, should I look to what he says he supports and has a long record in public service supporting, or check out Lewrockwell.com? If they differ then are you saying I should go with Lewrockwell.com or what Johnson tells us is his position and his record?

 

[Henrin]

I agree, ideologies mean something. But if I want to know Gary Johnson's position on something, should I look to what he says he supports and has a long record in public service supporting, or check out Lewrockwell.com? If they differ then are you saying I should go with Lewrockwell.com or what Johnson tells us is his position and his record?

Nothing about supporting social programs is out of line with democratic socialist views on what to do in the short term. There is also nothing out of line with democratic socialist views on what to do in the short term with his views on what industries he wants naturalized or what business regulations he supports.

 

[year2late]

Yeah, your personal attack proves my point perfectly.

Me telling you about the broad brush you are painting is a personal attack?

Wow!

 

[apdst]

Me telling you about the broad brush you are painting is a personal attack?

Wow!

You know what you posted. Stop trying to deny it.

 

[year2late]

You know what you posted. Stop trying to deny it.

I posted that your comments were more of a statement about you.

Is that a personal attack?
Wither you own your broad brush comments or you run away from them.

So am I to under stand you are now running away from your broad brush comments?

 

[JasperL]

Nothing about supporting social programs is out of line with democratic socialist views on what to do in the short term. There is also nothing out of line with democratic socialist views on what to do in the short term with his views on what industries he wants naturalized or what business regulations he supports.

LOL, I'm sure you've listened and read quite a bit about Bernie and his political views... :roll:

I'm curious, which industries does he want nationalized (I assume), and can you link to where he gives us this list?

And where is this list of "democratic socialist" views that Bernie supports. I mean, I know I could listen to him for hours on the radio (which I've done) over the years and get to know his views that way, or I guess I could just refer to the wiki article on what "democratic socialism" is and go with that, since they're the same, the same way supposedly all "libertarians" agree on EVERYTHING!

 

[joG]

Not quite, since in the state of the baker and gay marriage case, discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is illegal. Discrimination on the basis of political affiliation is not illegal in any state that I am aware of.

That ist irrelevant as "Congress shall make no law....". So what you say accuses Congress of being in contempt of the Constitution. So yes. The case of the baker is different in being a symptom of additional political rot.

 

[RetiredUSN]

Not really. Christian bakers can refuse service too, but they have to take their lumps just like this employee did.

There we go.......a reasonable response.

Unlike some of the other Tom Foolery in this thread.

 

[Excon]

This is a ‘right of association’ issue.
An employer/business owner has a right to associate with who they want to do business with.
An employee you would be required to associate with whomever the employer chose to associate with, or they are not doing what they were hired to do.