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Contemporary Deterrence – Insights and Lessons from Enhanced Forward Presence

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Contemporary Deterrence – Insights and Lessons from Enhanced Forward Presence




I think eFP has proved invaluable in strengthening the NATO presence and preparedness in the Baltic region. Lithuania, Poland, and Ukraine have also established a joint QRF Brigade. The framework nations also train Ukraine troops at the Combat Training Center in Yavoriv, Ukraine. About 200 soldiers from the 278th ACR, Tennessee Army National Guard participated briefly in the eFP, and then spent six months at the Yavoriv, Ukraine CTC.

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"Tennessee Army National Guard participated briefly in the eFP, and then spent six months at the Yavoriv, Ukraine CTC."

US Troops on the ground in Ukraine. For Shame.
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"Tennessee Army National Guard participated briefly in the eFP, and then spent six months at the Yavoriv, Ukraine CTC."

US Troops on the ground in Ukraine. For Shame.
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Ukraine invited US forces.

Ukraine did not invite the Russians who currently occupy Crimea and Donbass.

US = Guest.

Russia = Invader.
 
Ukraine invited US forces.

Ukraine did not invite the Russians who currently occupy Crimea and Donbass.

US = Guest.

Russia = Invader.

The Russians in Crimea had a 25 year lease on Sevastopol.

There was no invasion.

Us Forces creating provocations by being in Ukraine, especially after initiating a coup d'etat overthrowing the legal gov't'

USA bad.
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The Russians in Crimea had a 25 year lease on Sevastopol.

There was no invasion.

Us Forces creating provocations by being in Ukraine, especially after initiating a coup d'etat overthrowing the legal gov't'

USA bad.
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In Sebastopol. Not the entire Crimea. Once they took the entire Crimea that indeed was an invasion.

And Russian forces have invaded Donbuss.

"US provocation" does not excuse Russian invasion.
 
In Sebastopol. Not the entire Crimea. Once they took the entire Crimea that indeed was an invasion.

And Russian forces have invaded Donbuss.

"US provocation" does not excuse Russian invasion.

Yes it does.
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Not a single consideration of the obvious - namely that the re-militarisation of the Baltics by a hostile US led alliance will only increase tensions and create a vicious circle of mutually reinforcing insecurity :roll:.
 
No, it doesn't.

But it is telling you approve of illegal invasions of a sovereign state.

I never said that, but I disapprove of illegal coup d'etats in sovereign states. The coup d'etat installed an ILLEGAL regime. The residents of Crimea and Donbass didn't and don't approve of the ILLEGAL regime.
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What was "illegal" about the Ukraine uprising?

And yes, you do approve of illegal invasions of a sovereign state.

What you don't konw is not my fault. No invasion. ILLEGAL state.
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What state is "ILLEGAL"?

And you have repeatedly supported the illegal annexation of Crimea and illegal invasion of Donbass. Ergo you support the illegal invasion of Ukraine territory.


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You support the ILLEGAL coup d'etat in Ukraine. ILLEGAL state. End of story.
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Not a single consideration of the obvious - namely that the re-militarisation of the Baltics by a hostile US led alliance will only increase tensions and create a vicious circle of mutually reinforcing insecurity :roll:.

Their main task is deterrence, as part of NATO’s wider strategy of deterrence by denial and punishment. This strategy includes also other forms of Allied presence in the region (US European Deterrence Initiative, Baltic Air Policing, NATO’s standing maritime groups etc.), as well as forces that would reinforce the region in times of crisis (NRF/VJTF, follow-on forces).

Now who would they be deterring?

The French?

The Australians?

The Muppets?

Hmmmmm

Oh, that's right. The Country that has already invaded their neighbors.

THAT is why you don't like this.
 
Not a single consideration of the obvious - namely that the re-militarisation of the Baltics by a hostile US led alliance will only increase tensions and create a vicious circle of mutually reinforcing insecurity :roll:.

The Baltic NATO countries want to be ready when Field Marshal Putin comes a calling.
 
Not a single consideration of the obvious - namely that the re-militarisation of the Baltics by a hostile US led alliance will only increase tensions and create a vicious circle of mutually reinforcing insecurity :roll:.

The Baltics were victims of Soviet aggression. Their desire to defend themselves reflects the threat posed by Russia.
 
The Baltics were victims of Soviet aggression. Their desire to defend themselves reflects the threat posed by Russia.

That does not answer my observation.

Re-militarisation is highly unlikely to create more security. That's what Europe learnt during the Cold War and it's why the arms control regime was so popular and successful.

Now we seem to have reversed logic, forgotten history, and preside over the destruction of arms control and re-militarisation with the aim of increasing security.

The truth is that the Russian threat is absurdly and gratuitously exaggerated by the warmongers, the MIC, and the paranoid.
 

Actually, it was militarization, in the form of a strong NATO, that achieved Cold War victory over the collapsing Soviet Union.
The strain of military competition drove Gorbachev to his historic blunder: trying to achieve more economic productivity by introducing just a little freedom into the Soviet system. Like most authoritarians he had no idea how corrosive freedom can be, even in small doses, so he became the sorcerer's apprentice, unleashing forces he could neither understand nor control.
Western strength, not treaties, was the foundation of security, and will be again if necessary.
The Russians have only themselves to blame. Their multiple aggressions have produced a reaction.
 


I'm not talking about how 'victory' was achieved in the Cold War (we don't regard it as a defeat incidentally, more a withdrawal and re-formation). I'm talking about post Cold War security in the here and now.

Reprising the Cold War through militarisation is not going to work. It will only create insecurity, and Russia is neither able nor stupid enough to try to repeat Soviet mistakes.
 

Ah yes, withdrawal and re-formation as former captive states threw the Soviets out.:roll:

Russia is less able (and a lot smaller) than the former Soviet Union, but seems just as stupid. I'll put my faith in military strength, thanks.
 
Ah yes, withdrawal and re-formation as former captive states threw the Soviets out.:roll:

Russia is less able (and a lot smaller) than the former Soviet Union, but seems just as stupid. I'll put my faith in military strength, thanks.


How much do you need to spend before you'll ever be comfortable? I know westerners tend to measure everything in terms of money, and that's why when I talk of security you seem unable to comprehend.


Is $750bn not enough? Why not take more from your taxpayers - make it $1tn?


Or isn't the truth more that your MIC will always find some threat which justifies spending ever more? And yes, a good war or two would be tremendous for the MIC. Iran? Venezuela? North Korea?


Dr Strangelove is alive and well.
 

Nice try on the propaganda. It will work better when Russia stops threatening and invading neighbors.
As for how much is enough, we have a long tradition of doing what we must.

"Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute."
-- Representative Robert Goodloe Harper, 1797
 


:lamo


Not that Russia has invaded its neighbors, but if you're talking about Ukraine and Georgia, it seems to have escaped your attention that good old Uncle Sam did precisely nothing.


So, who exactly are you spending all the money for? There is no Russian threat to the US, and you have no intention of engaging Russia anywhere outside the US.
 
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