Conspiracy theory master, Adam Schiff: Trump is again conspiring with Russians in 2020.

[ludin]

Likewise, there oughta be a penalty for congressmen who ignore national security threats and election interference from hostile nations. Where I come from we call them traitors.

So why is the DNC traitors?

 

[HumblePi]

Gates knew to some extent what Manafort was doing and why. As for the rest-- as the Senate report stated: No, No & No.

Never, in the 243 year history of this country, has there been so many men in government with so many connections with Russia, or just plain corrupt to the core. This is not coincidence, nothing in politics is a coincidence.

The best spy fiction writer in the world could not possibly fantasize the depth and scope of the connections between Trump, his people and his surrogates. If this was a book, people wouldn't buy it, it's just too far-fetched for the average imagination to grasp.

 

[ludin]

He got call logs of people in Trumps orbit, presumably to see who talks to whom. He claimed his position as a House member made him “sovereign”. Finally the WH decided to stop giving secret briefings to the House because of Schiff leaking. If he won’t honor the rules, then read it in a summary.

Schiff uses the intel assessment to selectively leak and create a false narrative with the cooperation of the press.

I agree with someone else if schiff is leaking all of this classified information why is he not in jail right now?
it doesn't matter what his status is. you are not allowed to leak classified data to anyone.

time to investigate the house (non) intelligence member adam schiff for illegally leaking classified data.

 

[ludin]

Gates knew to some extent what Manafort was doing and why. As for the rest-- as the Senate report stated: No, No & No.

The whole thing completely ignores the fact that the only people caught doing anything with Russia was the DNC and hillary clinton.
they bought and paid for bogus fake information from russian agents and then submitted that fake information to the FBI who then lied about
that information to a federal court in an attempt to overthrow a presidential election.

The whole lot of them should be rounded up and charged under the sedition act.

 

[marke]

:lamo

Of course everyone knows that the real "dupes" are the people (like you) who believe Trump's conspiracy theories, including the lie that his campaign did not "collude" with the Russians to win the 2016 election.

Hillary Clinton was right, about everything. Trump did seek help from, and coordinate with a hostile foreign government throughout the 2016 campaign. For that, alone, (among MANY other things) he should be in jail. She was also the first to say that Trump was Putin's puppet (i.e. "bitch"). We all know that to be true today. She minced no words in identifying Trump as a racist, misogynist, a liar and a con-man. She was dead on accurate, in each case.

Even the idiots (at least the honest idiots out there) understand these things now.

Like I said, thousands of deluded democrats still believe the lying democrat fake Russian collusion conspiracy theory. That is sad.

 

[marke]

Never, in the 243 year history of this country, has there been so many men in government with so many connections with Russia, or just plain corrupt to the core. This is not coincidence, nothing in politics is a coincidence.

The best spy fiction writer in the world could not possibly fantasize the depth and scope of the connections between Trump, his people and his surrogates. If this was a book, people wouldn't buy it, it's just too far-fetched for the average imagination to grasp.

Look at that! Democrat perverters of justice seized Manafort by massive armed force in the middle of the night for failing to properly cover all the required steps to make sure the companies he did business with who were connected to other companies who were connected to other companies who did business with Russians were properly registered as foreign agents.

And, to nobody's surprise, Manafort's business partner, Tony Podesta, who did the same thing in the same business was given a free pass by Mueller, who was working for Hillary Clinton, because Podesta was Hillary's close friend.

How can the radicals on the left expect anyone to take them seriously when they so clearly pervert justice at every turn?

 

[Athanasius68]

Never, in the 243 year history of this country, has there been so many men in government with so many connections with Russia, or just plain corrupt to the core. This is not coincidence, nothing in politics is a coincidence.

The best spy fiction writer in the world could not possibly fantasize the depth and scope of the connections between Trump, his people and his surrogates. If this was a book, people wouldn't buy it, it's just too far-fetched for the average imagination to grasp.

Yep-- Russia targeted the Trump campaign. Both Mueller and the Senate said this. As Mueller said, sometimes the campaign responded. And sometimes they didn't.
Hence-- the connections.

 

[HumblePi]

Look at that! Democrat perverters of justice seized Manafort by massive armed force in the middle of the night for failing to properly cover all the required steps to make sure the companies he did business with who were connected to other companies who were connected to other companies who did business with Russians were properly registered as foreign agents.

And, to nobody's surprise, Manafort's business partner, Tony Podesta, who did the same thing in the same business was given a free pass by Mueller, who was working for Hillary Clinton, because Podesta was Hillary's close friend.

How can the radicals on the left expect anyone to take them seriously when they so clearly pervert justice at every turn?

 

[marke]

Podesta also broke the law but was never charged along with his partners, likely due to his connections with the Clintons.

Lobbying firm shuttered, but Tony Podesta’s fate in Mueller probe still a mystery - ABC News

What remains unclear in the court filings is just how much Tony Podesta himself knew about the alleged scheme. Manafort’s trial begins in Virginia in early July and in Washington, D.C. in September. It’s unclear if Tony Podesta could be involved in some fashion. His representative in Washington declined to comment.

In the wave of publicity surrounding the special counsel’s reported interest in the work, Podesta abruptly shuttered his firm. The move sent a shock through Washington’s lobbying world. Podesta had deep ties to Democratic politicians and liberal causes – his brother, John, served as chief of staff to President Bill Clinton and oversaw Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, and Podesta Group had been a staple for political and corporate clients with household names, from Google to The Washington Post to the late Sen. Ted Kennedy.

 

[OlNate]

Give it a rest, clown boy. Your last Trump/Russian fake conspiracy theory was blown out of the water a dozen times, each time new documents from the investigation were released over democrat objections. Give it up. Your old fictional tales are getting very old and very stale.

Rep. Schiff on CNN: Russia Once Again Helping Trump, And He Doesn't Want the American People to Know - YouTube

Re: the bolded.... Never stops you... :shrug:

 

[HumblePi]

Podesta also broke the law but was never charged along with his partners, likely due to his connections with the Clintons.

Lobbying firm shuttered, but Tony Podesta’s fate in Mueller probe still a mystery - ABC News

What remains unclear in the court filings is just how much Tony Podesta himself knew about the alleged scheme. Manafort’s trial begins in Virginia in early July and in Washington, D.C. in September. It’s unclear if Tony Podesta could be involved in some fashion. His representative in Washington declined to comment.

In the wave of publicity surrounding the special counsel’s reported interest in the work, Podesta abruptly shuttered his firm. The move sent a shock through Washington’s lobbying world. Podesta had deep ties to Democratic politicians and liberal causes – his brother, John, served as chief of staff to President Bill Clinton and oversaw Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, and Podesta Group had been a staple for political and corporate clients with household names, from Google to The Washington Post to the late Sen. Ted Kennedy.

where's the crime, I don't see any?

 

[marke]

where's the crime, I don't see any?

That's the thing. These guys did nothing that hundreds of others had not been doing for decades, yet without being charged. Manafort, Gates, and Podesta all committed these minor infractions during the Obama administration long before 2016 and the Obama administration had looked into the case even then and charged nobody. After Trump became a political threat to Hillary the Obama crooks dusted off the old case, dropped Podesta's name from the case, and filed it under the Mueller investigation in order to give liars in the media dishonest propaganda to feed their fake Russian collusion conspiracy theory they were foisting on gullible Americans without shame or remorse.

 

[US&THEM]

That's the thing. These guys did nothing that hundreds of others had not been doing for decades, yet without being charged. Manafort, Gates, and Podesta all committed these minor infractions during the Obama administration long before 2016 and the Obama administration had looked into the case even then and charged nobody. After Trump became a political threat to Hillary the Obama crooks dusted off the old case, dropped Podesta's name from the case, and filed it under the Mueller investigation in order to give liars in the media dishonest propaganda to feed their fake Russian collusion conspiracy theory they were foisting on gullible Americans without shame or remorse.

Here’s your problem Barr has tried to indict the people you are crying about, but he won’t even fabricate evidence. What a shame

 

[jcgriff2]

Due to media and 'deep state' in Trump's America I doubt any president after Trump will be able to have good relations with Russia anymore. Putin is definitely disappointed with that ...

The US' problems with Russia started back when the Soviet Union collapsed (and obviously before that when the USSR was alive and well).

Bush 41 was on duty when the USSR went under and Russia emerged as a separate nation. But Bush was on his way out of office. It was up to Clinton to then forge the kind of relations we should have with Russia, but he failed miserably at it. His mind was too much on extra-marital affairs and not on running the US.

Had Bush 41 been reelected, things with Russia would have been way different as a strong Republican would have been in the White House. Instead we got stuck with Bill Clinton, a loser larger in life than Hillary. If not for H. Ross Perot splitting the GOP vote, Bush 41 would have been reelected.

...but the simple fact that Russia interfered in our American election by leaking emails and flooding social media with propaganda and still Trump claimed it's 'fake news' and the fact that a lot of republicans agree with him is a huge win for Putin. Americans are so divided politically that even when a foreign power interferes in our elections, it's 'no big deal'.

No one in the entire US Gov't could predict that someday someone/country would interfere with our elections? Are you kidding me?

Go back to the 50s or 60s and slowly move forward and look at the dozens of elections around the world that the US interfered with, even resorting to assassination - whether by our hand or contracted out. Don't forget the coup d'etat countries where our fingerprints are all over too. I'm sure that I could find a list for you, but I have no doubt that you know exactly what I am talking about.

And exactly what was Hillary Clinton doing over in Russia during their 2012 election pretty much campaigning against Putin? What the hell was she doing there to begin with? Monitoring the election perhaps? If so, why? Can you imagine Russia sending election monitors over here? Hillary should never have been over there causing trouble and for doing so, she was paid back. Who could blame Putin IF he did in fact meddle in 2016? And what about 2008 and 2012 US elections? No interference there by anyone at all? Oh, sorry - those two elections were sacrosanct because they were intended for a democrat to win, so no need to look into election meddling.

Another victory for Putin is that Trump doesn't care about democracy or human rights and therefore the preaching of American values or promoting liberal democracy has come to a halt coming from the US., especially in Russia. Putin always wanted that. Trump's attack on mainstream media and judiciary may undermine democracy but it is also a victory for Putin because Putin can point and laugh that the president of the world's so-called greatest democracy is undermining democracy itself.

Trump's attack on the "fake-news" is 100% justified. They constantly give democrats a pass like Pelosi's big "I was set up" yesterday. God for bid if Trump did what she did. Even though 60 days to election day, Pelosi would start another, faster impeachment attempt.

They have never given Trump one moment of peace so that he could govern this great country. All they do is print negative stories about Trump using "Sources sad...". Absolutely disgraceful. They gave him about 5 minutes to grieve after Trump's brother died; then it was right back to the fake news.

I don't see US democracy being undermined at all. But face facts - it is not for every country in the world. We've been trying to export US democracy since 1945 and it simply is not working. Lord knows that the United States has tried every underhanded method in the world to install American values and democracy to every country in the world. So what if other countries want other forms of government? Why should it be up to the US to dictate what other countries do with regards to form of government?

Why should the US continue to be the world's police - especially for countries that can afford it on their own? We simply cannot afford to worry about the entire world any longer. Not with our national debt, anyway.

We have ~325 - 340 million people in the US that need help NOW. We need to isolate ourselves for a while to figure out what we can do to save the United States of America. We certainly have more and better nuclear weapons than any other country on earth in the event that a rogue state comes knocking at our doors with thoughts of trying to take us down. Do you really think that Russia is even a remote match for the US and its weapons? I don't.

So, let's look inward before that next foreign aid check is mailed and see if we can make better use of it internally.

 

[HumblePi]

That's the thing. These guys did nothing that hundreds of others had not been doing for decades, yet without being charged. Manafort, Gates, and Podesta all committed these minor infractions during the Obama administration long before 2016 and the Obama administration had looked into the case even then and charged nobody. After Trump became a political threat to Hillary the Obama crooks dusted off the old case, dropped Podesta's name from the case, and filed it under the Mueller investigation in order to give liars in the media dishonest propaganda to feed their fake Russian collusion conspiracy theory they were foisting on gullible Americans without shame or remorse.

Conspiring with a foreign adversary against the interests of the United States is a "minor infraction". What country are you really living in right now Marke? Come on, you can tell us.

 

[Athanasius68]

Conspiring with a foreign adversary against the interests of the United States is a "minor infraction". What country are you really living in right now Marke? Come on, you can tell us.

It didn't happen. Russian disinformation, forged documents, mischaracterizing transcripts does not make for evidence of a conspiracy.

 

[HumblePi]

Maybe it's meaningless to you that there have been so many men indicted and found guilty on charges related to Russia's interference, but it sure mean a whole hell of a lot to the majority of Americans in this country. Can you name any previous United States president that has had so many men in his administration or in his campaign that have been even suspected of such heinous crimes much less be indicted and convicted of those crimes? Go on, name one.

 

[Athanasius68]

Maybe it's meaningless to you that there have been so many men indicted and found guilty on charges related to Russia's interference, but it sure mean a whole hell of a lot to the majority of Americans in this country. Can you name any previous United States president that has had so many men in his administration or in his campaign that have been even suspected of such heinous crimes much less be indicted and convicted of those crimes? Go on, name one.

None of these people were indicted/charged/convicted for their role in a Trump campaign conspiracy with Russia.

 

[HumblePi]

None of these people were indicted/charged/convicted for their role in a Trump campaign conspiracy with Russia.

MANAFORT -----> shared inside information about the presidential race with Konstantin V. Kilimnik and the Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs whom he served -----------PUTIN!

Report Details Manafort’s Ties During 2016 Trump Campaign to a Russian Agent - The New York Times

 

[ultmd]

Like I said, thousands of deluded democrats still believe the lying democrat fake Russian collusion conspiracy theory. That is sad.

As true Americans understand, the real "dupes" are the people who believe every bat-crap-crazy conspiracy theory promoted by their Dear Leader (Trump). And the "Collusion Hoax" is probably #1 on that list. Those who believe that Trump did NOT "collude" with the Russian government in 2016...are fools (at best), and disgusting traitors (at worst).

 

[ultmd]

None of these people were indicted/charged/convicted for their role in a Trump campaign conspiracy with Russia.

Of course, ALL of them were.

So I can only presume that your definition of what constituted a "role" in the Trump campaign is something that would make most rational people laugh out loud.

 

[marke]

Here’s your problem Barr has tried to indict the people you are crying about, but he won’t even fabricate evidence. What a shame

America is no better than North Korea when it allows criminals to avoid justice and crooked prosecutors and judges to pervert justice.

Years ago O.J. was tried for murder. He got off in spite of clearly being guilty and millions cheered. That may have been a happy day for the unjust and the immoral, but it was a sad day for truth and righteousness in America. Since that day, but not because of that day, America has become more degenerate and immoral. God may see the love in America for sin and depravity and decide America deserves to be overtaken by godless thugs out to destroy freedom and prosperity in America for very wicked selfish reasons.

 

[marke]

Conspiring with a foreign adversary against the interests of the United States is a "minor infraction". What country are you really living in right now Marke? Come on, you can tell us.

Believing Trump conspired with Russians just because that is what lying leftists claim is stupid, but really stupid given that many of Trump's leftist enemies have admitted there is no evidence Trump did any such thing.

 

[marke]

Maybe it's meaningless to you that there have been so many men indicted and found guilty on charges related to Russia's interference, but it sure mean a whole hell of a lot to the majority of Americans in this country. Can you name any previous United States president that has had so many men in his administration or in his campaign that have been even suspected of such heinous crimes much less be indicted and convicted of those crimes? Go on, name one.

There is ample evidence of the fact that when the wicked hold positions of power the innocent are condemned and the guilty go free.

 

[marke]

Maybe it's meaningless to you that there have been so many men indicted and found guilty on charges related to Russia's interference, but it sure mean a whole hell of a lot to the majority of Americans in this country. Can you name any previous United States president that has had so many men in his administration or in his campaign that have been even suspected of such heinous crimes much less be indicted and convicted of those crimes? Go on, name one.

Lying leftist misinformation and corruption: Manafort and Gates committed a crime hardly ever charged to anyone committing the 'crime' but their partner and owner of the crooked business they were working for at the time escapes unquestioned and uncharged because he is a Clinton family friend. Not only that, but these alleged 'crimes' took place during the Obama administration and had nothing to do with Trump. Should that not be mentioned? Not according to liars and deceivers who do not want Americans understanding the truth about the deliberate deceptions the democrats are foisting on the American people for wicked reasons.