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Conservatives win Canadian elections!

scottyz said:
Actually the Conservatives are still a minority party which means it will be pretty hard for them to do much. It takes 155 seats to be the majority party.

Unless they form a coalition with the Quebecois separaists (with whom they disagree about nearly everything) the decision making still lies with those sensible centre-lefters...
 
Re: the contras, i suppose those would be the heroic contras that killed thousands of unarmed peasants would they? yeah, i loved those guys - the heroic way most of them were exiled members of the horrendous Somoza dictatorship (who coincidentally enough fled to Miami after that tyrannical regime was deposed - friends of yours Titus? itd explain a lot..) was another charming feature of their makeup too.
 
Touchmaster said:
Re: the contras, i suppose those would be the heroic contras that killed thousands of unarmed peasants would they? yeah, i loved those guys - the heroic way most of them were exiled members of the horrendous Somoza dictatorship (who coincidentally enough fled to Miami after that tyrannical regime was deposed - friends of yours Titus? itd explain a lot..) was another charming feature of their makeup too.

They were better than the tyrannical Sandidnista regime.
 
of course they were, of course they were. im sensing a bit of deja vu here from this forum's very own Minister of Truth. I would ask you to compare some meaningful statistics, but you failed to do that in many pages of dispute about your admiration for Pinochet, and Im sure we bored everyone to tears with that, so Ill just have to agree to disagree. I think that Pinochet was a brutal tyrant that deposed a democratic president dedicated to helping the country's many poor, you think the Sandanistas were brutal tyrants that after waging a war of resistance for a decade managed to topple the Somoza family, who had ruled Nicaragua with fairness and respect for human rights and democracy for forty years, and replace them with a horrible socialist government that somehow held free (and recognised as such by every government except the US) elections in 1984 after five years in power, which it won.
 
Touchmaster said:
of course they were, of course they were. im sensing a bit of deja vu here from this forum's very own Minister of Truth. I would ask you to compare some meaningful statistics, but you failed to do that in many pages of dispute about your admiration for Pinochet, and Im sure we bored everyone to tears with that, so Ill just have to agree to disagree. I think that Pinochet was a brutal tyrant that deposed a democratic president dedicated to helping the country's many poor, you think the Sandanistas were brutal tyrants that after waging a war of resistance for a decade managed to topple the Somoza family, who had ruled Nicaragua with fairness and respect for human rights and democracy for forty years, and replace them with a horrible socialist government that somehow held free (and recognised as such by every government except the US) elections in 1984 after five years in power, which it won.

And your opinion is of little consequence the fact of the matter is that Allende was attempting to overthrow the legislative branch of the Chilean Congress through the usurptation of legislative powers to the executive, in defense of the Constitution without an impeachment proceeding lacking in that Constitution the Deputy of Chambers ordered the military to remove the tyrant Allende from power.

As for your claim that the Sandanistas were some how benevolent dictators:
Sandanista Human Rights abuses:

Lacking support from the population in that part of the country, Sandinista troops committed their most controversial activities (as far as human rights are concerned) on the Atlantic Coast, including the forcible relocation of 8,500 Miskitos from their land and the destruction of up to 100 villages, activities which led to charges of genocide at the time. They also killed and imprisoned several indigenous people suspected of Contra collaboration. On two separate occasions in 1981 and 1982, Sandinista troops committed massacres in which approximately (UNHCR Report) 34 Miskito Indians died. However, Sandinista supporters claim this pales in comparison to the deaths attributed to the Contras. [3]

The greatest human right violation of the Sandinistas during the Contra War was the usage of Russian tactics to combat the Contras, resulting in the death of thousands of young Nicaraguan conscripts. The Sandinistas used their batallions consisting of 600 conscripts in three waves of 200 to attack Contra positions. These batallions would be ordered to attack machine-gun nests in the hope that by the third wave the Contras would run out of bullets and be overrun. Nicaragua, a country with just about 3 million inhabitants, could not afford the luxury of losses in ratios of 20-to-1 as Russia did with the Germans in WWII and the North Vietnameses against the Americans.

Another tactic used by the Sandinistas was the indiscriminate shelling of towns recently captured by the Contras, an action which was viewed by many as "punishment." This Sandinista practice resulted in the Reagan Administration issuing orders to the Contra to stop further capture of cities and to concentrate on a "wasting" war while the U.S. was outspending the Soviet Union into bankcruptcy, effectively curtailing the military support to the Sandinistas.

During the war Amnesty International and other groups reported that political prisoners in Sandinista prisons, such as in Las Tejas, were beaten, deprived of sleep and tortured with electric shocks. They were denied food and water and kept in dark cubicles that had a surface of less than one square metre, known as chiquitas ("little ones.") These cubicles were too small to sit up in and had no sanitation and almost no ventilation.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandinista
 
The Real McCoy said:
It's aboot time. Let's keep the liberals east of the Atlantic.

Well first off even though Canada now is becoming minority conservative, Mexico and South America (Venezula especially) are becoming Socialstic.

BTW I love how everyone seemed to ignore Memnons explaination of the Canadian government!
:roll:
 
Che said:
Well first off even though Canada now is becoming minority conservative, Mexico and South America (Venezula especially) are becoming Socialstic.

BTW I love how everyone seemed to ignore Memnons explaination of the Canadian government!
:roll:

First off, Conservatives now hold more of a majority than the other two parties and as such will decide the Prime Minister of Canada.

Secondly, Latin America with the possible exception of the tyrants Chavez and Castro have moved away from the Socialist aspects of state controlled Corporatism that they embarked upon following the Green Revolution and are now moving towards a policy of neo-Liberalism privatization based on the Washington Consensus, and if it wasn't for the socialist policies of the U.S. farm subsidies we would have already come to terms on the FTAA (Foriegn Trade of the Americas Agreement).
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
First off, Conservatives now hold more of a majority than the other two parties and as such will decide the Prime Minister of Canada.

Secondly, Latin America with the possible exception of the tyrants Chavez and Castro have moved away from the Socialist aspects of state controlled Corporatism that they embarked upon following the Green Revolution and are now moving towards a policy of neo-Liberalism privatization based on the Washington Consensus, and if it wasn't for the socialist policies of the U.S. farm subsidies we would have already come to terms on the FTAA (Foriegn Trade of the Americas Agreement).

By the way, where do you think that old bag Cindy Sheehan is this week......Down in Venezuela kissing Chaves ass.......What a great democrat she is......
 
Navy Pride said:
By the way, where do you think that old bag Cindy Sheehan is this week......Down in Venezuela kissing Chaves ass.......What a great democrat she is......

Ya I heard about that, now war protesting is one thing that's her right but siding with the enemy? This borders on treason if you ask me. Chavez has made it very clear that he considers his regime to be an enemy of the U.S. and for that useful idiot Sheehan to go over there is simply unbelievable.

And how about that washed up singer guy Bellafonte, I think his name is, going down there and calling the President the worlds biggest terrorist, what a ****ing piece of sh!t.
 
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Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Ya I heard about that, now war protesting is one thing that's her right but siding with the enemy? This borders on treason if you ask me. Chavez has made it very clear that he considers his regime to be an enemy of the U.S. and for that useful idiot Sheehan to go over there is simply unbelievable.

And how about that washed up singer guy Bellafonte, I think his name is, going down there and calling the President the worlds biggest terrorist, what a ****ing piece of sh!t.

Belafonte is probably screwing the old bag.........How disgusting is that?
 
You guys consider France to be an enemy of the US, so when Bush had dinner with Chirac after his reelection, is he also a traitor??

Wow some guy in Venezula doesn't like the US - big deal, who does nowadays to be honest. The only reason why the US is making a big fuss over Venezula is because it has the largest reserves of oil outside of the ME. A good percentage of America's oil comes from Venezula.

Seriously get over it.
 
GarzaUK said:
You guys consider France to be an enemy of the US, so when Bush had dinner with Chirac after his reelection, is he also a traitor??

Wow some guy in Venezula doesn't like the US - big deal, who does nowadays to be honest. The only reason why the US is making a big fuss over Venezula is because it has the largest reserves of oil outside of the ME. A good percentage of America's oil comes from Venezula.

Seriously get over it.

No because Chavez has cracked down on the press, had dissidents arrested, is arming militias who attack dissenters with free reign from the government, is centralizing and consolidating his power, is aligning with Castro and pretty much following the Fidelisto model of leftist revolution.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
No because Chavez has cracked down on the press, had dissidents arrested, is arming militias who attack dissenters with free reign from the government, is centralizing and consolidating his power, is aligning with Castro and pretty much following the Fidelisto model of leftist revolution.

Yeah but your the guy who said Pinochet was a servant of the Republic of Chile sooo..... hypocritical much??
 
KCConservative said:
Wait. Who said that? Link please.

Do I really have to give you links to all the French Bashing, and nuke France speeches on this website - I simply do not have the time.
 
'However, Sandinista supporters claim this (34 deaths) pales in comparison to the deaths attributed to the Contras.'

I dont want to get into another protracted argument about your support for latin-american extremists in an unrelated thread, in which you will repeatedly rely on ambiguous and non-explicit comments in a single document written by vested interests and not answer any of the actual points raised, so Ill keep this brief - but while I in no way suggest the Sandinistas were perfect (although they held free elections - declared a such by hundreds of independent observers - in 1984 and 1990, which is more than can be said of the preceding 43 years under the Somozas) the few abuses and killings carried out in their name are insignificant compared with the many thousands of civilians deliberately raped, mutilated and killed by the contra 'heroes' you invoke. Another story of saving a country from 'communism' (the Sandinistas werent communist but fairly moderate socialists) by killing and raping thousands of its citizens. Fantastic.
 
Regarding Canada, effectively, it now has a rightist prime minister but keeps a centre left legislature (as all the other parties essentially centre left)
 
Touchmaster said:
Regarding Canada, effectively, it now has a rightist prime minister but keeps a centre left legislature (as all the other parties essentially centre left)

Is the Liberal Party finding a leader? Has Martin retired? Who are the front runners?
 
Touchmaster said:
'However, Sandinista supporters claim this (34 deaths) pales in comparison to the deaths attributed to the Contras.'

I dont want to get into another protracted argument about your support for latin-american extremists in an unrelated thread, in which you will repeatedly rely on ambiguous and non-explicit comments in a single document written by vested interests and not answer any of the actual points raised, so Ill keep this brief - but while I in no way suggest the Sandinistas were perfect (although they held free elections - declared a such by hundreds of independent observers - in 1984 and 1990, which is more than can be said of the preceding 43 years under the Somozas) the few abuses and killings carried out in their name are insignificant compared with the many thousands of civilians deliberately raped, mutilated and killed by the contra 'heroes' you invoke. Another story of saving a country from 'communism' (the Sandinistas werent communist but fairly moderate socialists) by killing and raping thousands of its citizens. Fantastic.

Vested interests? You mean a resolution authorizing the removal of the tyrant Allende voted on by the dually elected Chilean Chamber of Deputies? Those vested interests?

Anyways your assertion that the Contras were anywhere near as bad as the Sandanistas is just fuc/king ridiculous the Contras attacked at military and economic strongholds of the Sandinista regime, the Sandanistas on the other hand bombed and shelled women and children in the towns under the control of the Contras, and in these free elections that only came about due to the intense pressure placed on the regime by the resistance spearheaded by the Contras, the Sandanistas lost. Your assumption that the Contras were only made up of former Somosa supporters is just that, an assumption.
 
GarzaUK said:
NP I doubt it is good bye Gay Marriage, as the Conservative Party in Canada only have a slight majority.

The Republican Party should took heed from the Canadian Liberal Party. CLP lost because of all the scandals and corruption that they carried out. Nov 2006 elections ahem.

You hit the nail on the head. This election was more about throwing the scandal ridden Martin out, than it was a mandate for the conservative movement.

I expect the same in 06 here in the US.
 
GarzaUK said:
Is the Liberal Party finding a leader? Has Martin retired? Who are the front runners?

Martin stepped down as party leader, but will remain in parliment.
 
GarzaUK said:
Do I really have to give you links to all the French Bashing, and nuke France speeches on this website - I simply do not have the time.
No, I want the links where someone called them our "enemy". If you can't, then.....I understand. ;)
 
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