Conservatives: Should we just stop trying at this point ?

[Linuxcooldude]

Boohoo, wipe your tears and get better candidates than the left.

Well you guys did have a candidate called Hillary Clinton...just saying.

 

[americanwoman]

The fact the left prefer a war criminal like Bush over Trump is proof of just how morally compromised they've become.

So that's who you want to give up to - the left who are morally compromised? Grow a pair and fight with better candidates.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Well you guys did have a candidate called Hillary Clinton...just saying.

Find a better candidate than her.

 

[americanwoman]

Well you guys did have a candidate called Hillary Clinton...just saying.

I'm not "you guys" as I am not a registered Democrat.

You obviously were able to find another candidate better than her, which isn't saying much, and he turned out to be exactly what most of us already knew - a lying loser. So do better next time or just give up like the OP is advising. Whatever.

 

[MLAW6993]

Trumpists are the most horribly victimized victims EVAH! Look at what you're making them do!

If you could just let them openly hate gay people, they wouldn't be forced to ban books mentioning gay peoples' existence and accuse every single person who doesn't hate gay people just as much a pedophile groomer! Psssh. And don't even get me started on what you forced them to do by telling them that a black person's life matters just as much as theirs.

Why can't you just let them live in a glorious past where the lowest white man was automatically better than the best anyone/anything else!?

The real "MAGA"

I'm new here, where's the ignore or block button? I was hoping to see folks having legitimate dialogue and this ain't it...

 

[Rickeroo]

I can't help but think the future of America is going to be leftist due to a massive ideological shift with the under 35 crowd. Regardless of their reasons, if looking like Western Europe is what the majority of Americans want, what's the point in centrists and conservatives fighting it ? We will lose by numbers alone - and democracy being what it is, the majority will get their way. If we on the other side truly believe our thinking and way of life is better, maybe it's best to let the left get their way so Americans can actually live in the leftist utopia they keep fighting for.

Evolution is inevitable, although it doesn't mean it's going to be always for the best. It's trial and error as a society and perhaps the progressive left have convinced enough Americans to go their route and the best we conservatives can do is stop voting and let the left run its course.

Demographically you're correct - a leftist US is inevitable, but there is still considerable time left, perhaps 50 years. It depends basically on whether the dems convince Hispanics that they are Black, or if conservatives convince Hispanics that they are white.

 

[btthegreat]

It's not a matter of giving up. It's a matter of seeing the inevitable.
I think the only way for the progressive left to see the error in their ways is to give them the government/culture they are fighting for.
They are fighting for something that is only glorious on paper.

We can both have what we want. The United Pacific States of America, a new nation that takes a chunk of those pernicious lefties living in Washington, Oregon , California and Hawaii off your hands and out of your Congress and electoral college. It no longer matters who 'wins' or who 'loses'. You get your conservative Nirvana, we get our progressive Utopia and we stay out of each others way!

 

[Blue Dog]

Better politics could explained by the analogy of an automobile:

Progressives press on the accelerator to move forward.

Conservatives apply brakes as needed while moving forward.

What not to do: Lock the brake and shift into reverse.

 

[AGENT J]

I can't help but think the future of America is going to be leftist due to a massive ideological shift with the under 35 crowd.

what factually massive ideological shift are you referring too?

Regardless of their reasons, if looking like Western Europe is what the majority of Americans want, what's the point in centrists and conservatives fighting it ?

you understand that based on your posts YOU do not represent millions of conservative.
the rest of the nonsense in your post is even worse than the beginning so well just start here

 

[MLAW6993]

The majority of Republican officials/citizens have been resisting progressive interests for decades with varying degrees of success, but overall, losing ground.

Do, or don’t go gentle into that good night. Progress will continue to move forward with, or without you.

Do you really think that is representative of everyday Americans? I agree with that being what the state reflects, I really just don't know many people that want that. It's hard to imagine why Americans would want progressive interests, much less that a majority do.

 

[madman]

The fact the left prefer a war criminal like Bush over Trump is proof of just how morally compromised they've become.

the LEFT did NOT vote BUSH in office. It was your side that did.

what kind of statement is that?

 

[KevinKohler]

I can't help but think the future of America is going to be leftist due to a massive ideological shift with the under 35 crowd. Regardless of their reasons, if looking like Western Europe is what the majority of Americans want, what's the point in centrists and conservatives fighting it ? We will lose by numbers alone - and democracy being what it is, the majority will get their way. If we on the other side truly believe our thinking and way of life is better, maybe it's best to let the left get their way so Americans can actually live in the leftist utopia they keep fighting for.

Evolution is inevitable, although it doesn't mean it's going to be always for the best. It's trial and error as a society and perhaps the progressive left have convinced enough Americans to go their route and the best we conservatives can do is stop voting and let the left run its course.

Then change.

Accept that people want freedom. Freedom to choose. Freedom to express themselves. Economic freedom. You support a party that is diametrically oppositional to those things, and as such, are losing.

Let's start with economic freedom. Republicrats seem to be in favor of supply side economics, which has been disastrous to our, and other economies, ever since its introduction. That's what tax breaks for the wealthy "job creators" is...supply side economics in action. Americans appear to be wealthier now than they were in the 80s, but that's because of outsourcing to be able to buy cheaper crap, and technology has reduced costs as well. But truth be told, the middle class has shrunk while the upper class has grown slightly in numbers, and extensively grown in net worth...while those below the poverty line continues to grow. Supply doesn't create jobs, demand does. The end. Period.

Next, bodily autonomy. Now this is a big one right now. Republicrats want to legislate vaginas. They want lawyers to come between Dr's and their patients. Turns out, people prefer freedom to that level of government sovereignty over our bodies. Crazy, right?

Here's some free advice...let go of the evangelicals. See how fast the GOP bounces back.

 

[madman]

Well you guys did have a candidate called Hillary Clinton...just saying.

that brings NOTHING to the topic.

 

[madman]

I'm new here, where's the ignore or block button? I was hoping to see folks having legitimate dialogue and this ain't it...

Snowflake much?

 

[KevinKohler]

Do you really think that is representative of everyday Americans? I agree with that being what the state reflects, I really just don't know many people that want that. It's hard to imagine why Americans would want progressive interests, much less that a majority do.

What is it that you think people want?

 

[americanwoman]

I'm new here, where's the ignore or block button? I was hoping to see folks having legitimate dialogue and this ain't it...

Sorry I know this is off topic and NOT a legitimate dialogue but I couldn't help it!!

 

[Grandpappy]

When the the leftists run things, they are incompetent because of false idealism.
It happening now as we speak.
And eventually, they run out of other people's money.

 

[itstony]

As long as conservatism is represented by people like Trump, Greene, Bobert, Gaetz etc., etc., yes we should just give up. If we can't choose better people to lead our cause we are just lost and deserve what we get.

 

[redbeer]

I can't help but think the future of America is going to be leftist due to a massive ideological shift with the under 35 crowd. Regardless of their reasons, if looking like Western Europe is what the majority of Americans want, what's the point in centrists and conservatives fighting it ? We will lose by numbers alone - and democracy being what it is, the majority will get their way. If we on the other side truly believe our thinking and way of life is better, maybe it's best to let the left get their way so Americans can actually live in the leftist utopia they keep fighting for.

Evolution is inevitable, although it doesn't mean it's going to be always for the best. It's trial and error as a society and perhaps the progressive left have convinced enough Americans to go their route and the best we conservatives can do is stop voting and let the left run its course.

That's the end goal of the democrats, to dissuade people from voting their conscious.....don't take the bait.

 

[aociswundumho]

That experiment has already been done. Seems to work out pretty well, every time.

Why are Nordic countries so happy and what can we learn from them?

Happiness and general well-being are not about money, but they do have something to do with a wallet.

www.euronews.com

First of all, they are not as happy as you think they are:

The Danish Don't Have the Secret to Happiness

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

www.theatlantic.com

Sorry, liberals, Scandinavian countries aren’t utopias

Want proof that the liberal social-democratic society works? Look to Denmark, the country that routinely leads the world in happiness surveys. It’s also notable for having the highest taxes on Eart…

nypost.com

From your link:

Liberal values are key: progressive taxation and freedom to make life choices

Taxes in the Nordic countries are regressive, and no taxpayer is left behind. They have a 25% vat on just about everything you buy. Low-income people there pay income taxes, unlike in the US. The Danes ride their bikes to work in the rain because their rotten government taxes the living shit out of cars and fuel.

If you like working most of your life for the state, then the Nordic countries are great.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

I can't help but think the future of America is going to be leftist due to a massive ideological shift with the under 35 crowd. Regardless of their reasons, if looking like Western Europe is what the majority of Americans want, what's the point in centrists and conservatives fighting it ? We will lose by numbers alone - and democracy being what it is, the majority will get their way. If we on the other side truly believe our thinking and way of life is better, maybe it's best to let the left get their way so Americans can actually live in the leftist utopia they keep fighting for.

Evolution is inevitable, although it doesn't mean it's going to be always for the best. It's trial and error as a society and perhaps the progressive left have convinced enough Americans to go their route and the best we conservatives can do is stop voting and let the left run its course.

Your aging base gets smaller by the day. What does that tell you?

 

[Liberal7360]

I can't help but think the future of America is going to be leftist due to a massive ideological shift with the under 35 crowd. Regardless of their reasons, if looking like Western Europe is what the majority of Americans want, what's the point in centrists and conservatives fighting it ? We will lose by numbers alone - and democracy being what it is, the majority will get their way. If we on the other side truly believe our thinking and way of life is better, maybe it's best to let the left get their way so Americans can actually live in the leftist utopia they keep fighting for.

Evolution is inevitable, although it doesn't mean it's going to be always for the best. It's trial and error as a society and perhaps the progressive left have convinced enough Americans to go their route and the best we conservatives can do is stop voting and let the left run its course.

I totally support your decision to stop voting.

I'll go even farther. Discuss it with all your conservative friends and do all you can to get them to not vote.

Do what you can to get as many conservatives to not vote.

One of the best things that could happen to our nation is to return to our liberal roots and throw away all the very irresponsible and destructive conservative policies.

After living through conservative policy since reagan, I have learned that everything I said in the reagan years that would happen, did happen.

Finally being free from conservative irresponsible and destructive social and economic policy would benefit not just the USA but the whole world.

 

[ataraxia]

First of all, they are not as happy as you think they are:

The Danish Don't Have the Secret to Happiness

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

www.theatlantic.com

Sorry, liberals, Scandinavian countries aren’t utopias

Want proof that the liberal social-democratic society works? Look to Denmark, the country that routinely leads the world in happiness surveys. It’s also notable for having the highest taxes on Eart…

nypost.com

From your link:

Nothing is perfect. But let's put it this way: they are doing better than us- in terms of happiness, social mobility, etc... and at least as well as us economically.

To quote from the movie "When Harry Met Sally": "I'll have what she's having".

Taxes in the Nordic countries are regressive, and no taxpayer is left behind. They have a 25% vat on just about everything you buy. Low-income people there pay income taxes, unlike in the US. The Danes ride their bikes to work in the rain because their rotten government taxes the living shit out of cars and fuel.

If you like working most of your life for the state, then the Nordic countries are great.

Seems to work great for them, and anyone else who has tried it: which is basically every developed economy on the planet, to some extent or the other.

There have been NO developed economies, anywhere in the world, at any point in history, which have had pure free market laissez faire capitalism. The closest anyone has come have been the US and the UK during the Gilded Age.

Do you think that's because they don't know the benefits of pure free market capitalism?

 

[yankintx]

Trumpists are the most horribly victimized victims EVAH! Look at what you're making them do!

If you could just let them openly hate gay people, they wouldn't be forced to ban books mentioning gay peoples' existence and accuse every single person who doesn't hate gay people just as much a pedophile groomer! Psssh. And don't even get me started on what you forced them to do by telling them that a black person's life matters just as much as theirs.

Why can't you just let them live in a glorious past where the lowest white man was automatically better than the best anyone/anything else!?

The real "MAGA"

If you turn the volume on you can hear the death threats aimed at the VP.

Luv me some law and order party

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

What a bunch of hogwash. By the OP's definition, Canada could be considered a Socialist paradise, right? Every civilized country in the world has some form of universal health care, paid sick leave, paid maternity leave, and days off to vote.
Yet, it is the US who has one of the highest morality rates - including infant mortality rates (look it up) and among the lowest life expectancies.

Cry me a river about the US turning into a Socialist state. Most of the world is Socialist according to the Righties. Europe - Socialist. South America - Socialist. Australia - Socialist. Canada - Socialist.

What the OP does have right is that there is going to be a seismic demographic shift happening over the next 30 - 50 years. People who can't handle that will dig deeper into their tribes for shelter and comfort. Those of us who no have problem with living next door to people who are different than us will be enjoying our lives - not weeping in our soups.