Conservatives MUST choose Leslyn Lewis for leader

[Evilroddy]

Jagmeet Singh is male. He wasn't hammered as much by the Liberals - they were careful around him too.
However, he represents the SOCIALIST Party.
Though many people are socialist-leaning, I don't think they want full-pledged socialism.



She may be hammered on social issues, but with mindset the whole world is in now regarding systemic racism - I'm betting many Canadians from different stripes will be willing to give the first black, female environmentalist contender the chance to break that ceiling.

I'm saying - we should exploit that mindset, and seize the moment.
We are the only party that has a black, female environmentalist on our ticket.

Just the chance to bust that persistent myth they keep using against the Conservatives - that we have supremacists among us -
would make it worth it.

Tosca1:

So you're openly advocating exploiting the public reaction against systemic racism and a Black, minority woman as political tools to win power? You may not intend it so, but that seems to be pretty cynical exploitation to me. How about the Conservatives pull themselves together around a sound and workable political platform that attracts right-leaning and centrist voters from all over Canada (including Quebec) rather than using what sounds like a token leadership candidate to lure in voters despite the serious platform problems which the party refuses to correct?

If I have misunderstood or mischaracterised the reasons for your advocacy in support of Ms. Lewis, then I apologise in advance.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[tosca1]

Tosca1:

So you're openly advocating exploiting the public reaction against systemic racism and a Black, minority woman as political tools to win power? You may not intend it so, but that seems to be pretty cynical exploitation to me. How about the Conservatives pull themselves together around a sound and workable political platform that attracts right-leaning and centrist voters from all over Canada (including Quebec) rather than using what sounds like a token leadership candidate to lure in voters despite the serious platform problems which the party refuses to correct?

If I have misunderstood or mischaracterised the reasons for your advocacy in support of Ms. Lewis, then I apologise in advance.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

Nothing to apologise for, Roddy.

Lol. Who isn't exploiting anything? That's been going on as far as I can remember!
The one that comes to mind was the Muslim Burqua controversy in Quebec! That's politics!

How about the Conservatives pull themselves together around a sound and workable political platform that attracts right-leaning and centrist voters from all over Canada (including Quebec)

I don't see McKay or O'Toole winning against Trudeau.
Just the fact alone that they can be linked with Harper - I love Harper, don't get me wrong - that's the tool the Liberals will exploit the most!
And right now - they don't strike me as unifier-material.


Lewis, will be the unifier.

Lewis cannot be associated with Harper, Let's exploit that.
Lewis is new. Let's exploit that.
Lewis is not a career politician. Let's exploit that.
Lewis is not a member of the elite. Let's exploit that.
Lewis is female. Let's exploit that.
Lewis is black. Let's exploit that.
Lewis has a degree on Environment. Let's exploit that.
Lewis has a very positive persona - she doesn't strike me as someone who'll be a "loose cannon."
She is intelligent. She is diplomatic. Dignified. Motherly in stance. Let's exploit all that.


We've got a winner against Trudeau!


If we can all rally around her to give her an abundance of confidence - and have the pro help with some polishing......

...............boy, we can all wave bye-bye to Justin!

 

[tosca1]

With Lewis as Conservative leader - I'd like to see HOW all these lefty-leaning media try to smear her......as they did with our past leaders!

Would they dare?

 

[Carjosse]

With Lewis as Conservative leader - I'd like to see HOW all these lefty-leaning media try to smear her......as they did with our past leaders!

Would they dare?

Well I can tell you right now that all the other parties will be able to roast her over an open fire on her social conservative views. You are not just giving them ammunition you are giving them the entire ammunition depot. If Liberals can do it to Scheer who tried his best to mostly stay quiet on those issues how well do you think and a devout social conservative would fair?

 

[tosca1]

Well I can tell you right now that all the other parties will be able to roast her over an open fire on her social conservative views. You are not just giving them ammunition you are giving them the entire ammunition depot. If Liberals can do it to Scheer who tried his best to mostly stay quiet on those issues how well do you think and a devout social conservative would fair?

Let them try. :shrug:

Trudeau isn't exactly without anything to answer for when it comes to racism and feminism.

 

[Carjosse]

Let them try. :shrug:

Trudeau isn't exactly without anything to answer for when it comes to racism and feminism.

The Conservatives tried that last election, did not work. What makes you think the exact same tactic will work this time?

 

[OlNate]

I found this:


Policies - Leslyn Lewis



Yes, she does need exposure.

Yeah...I mean, despite the POC branding, she's pretty much the same kind of Conservative that Canadians have demonstrated consistently they are not interested in. I suppose it's not that big a deal that the CPC refused to acknowledge the fact that Canadians aren't interested in social conservatism, nationalism, and populism. Once again the CPC fails to understand that we are not America, and do not wish to be.

Sorry, my friend, but I think you'd better keep looking. This one will deliver another Liberal majority government.

 

[tosca1]

The Conservatives tried that last election, did not work. What makes you think the exact same tactic will work this time?

:doh

Read my posts!

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Nothing to apologise for, Roddy.

Lol. Who isn't exploiting anything? That's been going on as far as I can remember!
The one that comes to mind was the Muslim Burqua controversy in Quebec! That's politics!






I don't see McKay or O'Toole winning against Trudeau.
Just the fact alone that they can be linked with Harper - I love Harper, don't get me wrong - that's the tool the Liberals will exploit the most!
And right now - they don't strike me as unifier-material.


Lewis, will be the unifier.

Lewis cannot be associated with Harper, Let's exploit that.
Lewis is new. Let's exploit that.
Lewis is not a career politician. Let's exploit that.
Lewis is not a member of the elite. Let's exploit that.
Lewis is female. Let's exploit that.
Lewis is black. Let's exploit that.
Lewis has a degree on Environment. Let's exploit that.
Lewis has a very positive persona - she doesn't strike me as someone who'll be a "loose cannon."
She is intelligent. She is diplomatic. Dignified. Motherly in stance. Let's exploit all that.


We've got a winner against Trudeau!


If we can all rally around her to give her an abundance of confidence - and have the pro help with some polishing......

...............boy, we can all wave bye-bye to Justin!

Peter McKay being a red Tory can get socially liberal votes in many cities

I believe he can speak French so that will help him in Quebec. The maritimes are in play with him

Social conservatives would have nowhere else to go so the prairie provinces would go to him.

I don’t know anything about Otoole but expect he is a social conservative.

McKay is the Conservatives best chance at taking the PM office at this time

 

[tosca1]

Peter McKay being a red Tory can get socially liberal votes in many cities

I believe he can speak French so that will help him in Quebec. The maritimes are in play with him

Social conservatives would have nowhere else to go so the prairie provinces would go to him.

I don’t know anything about Otoole but expect he is a social conservative.

McKay is the Conservatives best chance at taking the PM office at this time

I don't know. I'm not getting that jive. I seriously think he won't win against Trudeau.

Btw, what's his policy that's different from the Liberals?

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

I don't know. I'm not getting that jive. I seriously think he won't win against Trudeau.

Btw, what's his policy that's different from the Liberals?

He is slightly to the right of the liberals, which is why he could win. He can pick up the centrist vote that social/religious conservatives might push away.

A red Tory which can get the support of central Canada. Harper was able to play to that in his first 7 years then went to far right in his last term.

 

[tosca1]

He is slightly to the right of the liberals,

He is Liberal-lite. That's the problem I hear about him.

He's also going to whip his MPs that they won't be allowed to vote with their conscience.


My pro-life stance makes me eliminate anyone who is vocally solid pro-choice.
Though I understand the situation right now with having a pro-life view (as what happened to Scheer),
I can't bring myself to simply swallow it and go with the flow. It's like I'm hitting a wall here. That's how I feel.
That's the deal-breaker for me.

The idea that the "centrist" has to be represented, and yet social conservatives won't have any representation,
is the thing that makes a lot of social conservatives wish they've got their own Conservative party.
I see that sentiment from other social conservatives in other forum(s).


If it's between a Liberal and a liberal fighting it out in the next election - I won't care who wins. :shrug:
It's just like flicking a coin.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

He is Liberal-lite. That's the problem I hear about him.

He's also going to whip his MPs that they won't be allowed to vote with their conscience.

My pro-life stance makes me eliminate anyone who is vocally solid pro-choice.

The idea that the "centrist" has to be represented, and yet social conservatives won't have any representation,
is the thing that makes a lot of social conservatives wish they've got their own Conservative party.


If it's between a Liberal and a liberal fighting it out in the next election - I won't care who wins. :shrug:
Better the guy you already know than the one you don't. We already know how Trudeau is like.

The majority of Canadians are liberal lite or further to that on the left.

The conservative vote is currently unified for the most part while liberal left is split among 3 parties ( not including Quebec in the equation)

That means a competent centrist candidate will have the best chance for if being elected.

A social conservative will drive out most cities and cause left middle to vote liberal to stop conservatives from gaining powers. I expect after the next election a new more right leaning party will form (aka) reform party to house the social conservatives

 

[tosca1]

The majority of Canadians are liberal lite or further to that on the left.

The conservative vote is currently unified for the most part while liberal left is split among 3 parties ( not including Quebec in the equation)

That means a competent centrist candidate will have the best chance for if being elected.

A social conservative will drive out most cities and cause left middle to vote liberal to stop conservatives from gaining powers. I expect after the next election a new more right leaning party will form (aka) reform party to house the social conservatives

I'll most likely sit it out this time.
No difference anyway....whoever wins is fine by me.

 

[tosca1]

The Conservatives tried that last election, did not work. What makes you think the exact same tactic will work this time?

Because the media had blatantly helped Trudeau.......... and hammered Scheer, that's why!

It made it worse for Scheer since he was battling three parties of the same feathers!
Not to mention that screeching Elizabeth May! Who was it that says, "anyone but Scheer?"

All parties....and the media.....will walk on eggshells around Lewis!
Lol, will they want to make it seem like they're all ganging up on her (the way they did with Scheer)?


Diversed people of color are most likely to rally behind her! She'll be shielded by who she is, and what she represents!

 

[Carjosse]

Because the media had blatantly helped Trudeau.......... and hammered Scheer, that's why!

It made it worse for Scheer since he was battling three parties of the same feathers!
Not to mention that screeching Elizabeth May! Who was it that says, "anyone but Scheer?"

All parties....and the media.....will walk on eggshells around Lewis!
Lol, will they want to make it seem like they're all ganging up on her (the way they did with Scheer)?


Diversed people of color are most likely to rally behind her! She'll be shielded by who she is, and what she represents!

They didn't blantantly help Trudeau, Trudeau handled them properly, and the blackface thing seemingly led to an increase in support in Quebec.

Scheer just tried to avoid his past and in doing so just made his social conservative past even worse. How well do you think it would go with a dyed-in-the-wool social Conservative. It is a publicity wet dream for the other parties. All they have to do is point out her viewpoints which are opposed by the vast majority Canadians, point out her policy on social issues is literally the slippery slope argument, point out her opposition to constitutional rights and protections. So much ammunition. Her race and gender cannot counteract the fact her views are opposed by the vast majority of Canadians, especially the ones Conservatives need the votes of to win.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

They didn't blantantly help Trudeau, Trudeau handled them properly, and the blackface thing seemingly led to an increase in support in Quebec.

Scheer just tried to avoid his past and in doing so just made his social conservative past even worse. How well do you think it would go with a dyed-in-the-wool social Conservative. It is a publicity wet dream for the other parties. All they have to do is point out her viewpoints which are opposed by the vast majority Canadians, point out her policy on social issues is literally the slippery slope argument, point out her opposition to constitutional rights and protections. So much ammunition. Her race and gender cannot counteract the fact her views are opposed by the vast majority of Canadians, especially the ones Conservatives need the votes of to win.

The fact she is an ethnic minority won’t have the same boost as Singh is also in the mix, along with the leader of the NDP being a woman. So identity politics won’t help, it would be all on policies

Unless the Conservative party would go after Trudeau for being a white male of course

 

[tosca1]

They didn't blantantly help Trudeau, Trudeau handled them properly, and the blackface thing seemingly led to an increase in support in Quebec.

Scheer just tried to avoid his past and in doing so just made his social conservative past even worse. How well do you think it would go with a dyed-in-the-wool social Conservative. It is a publicity wet dream for the other parties. All they have to do is point out her viewpoints which are opposed by the vast majority Canadians, point out her policy on social issues is literally the slippery slope argument, point out her opposition to constitutional rights and protections. So much ammunition. Her race and gender cannot counteract the fact her views are opposed by the vast majority of Canadians, especially the ones Conservatives need the votes of to win.

That's how you see it. You're entitled to it. :shrug:


I saw differently.

 

[tosca1]

The fact she is an ethnic minority won’t have the same boost as Singh is also in the mix, along with the leader of the NDP being a woman.
So identity politics won’t help, it would be all on policies

Unless the Conservative party would go after Trudeau for being a white male of course

You're missing the point.

The climate of the time you speak of.............................................. is so much different than the climate now.
It's all about the timing. Thus I say, we have to seize this moment.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

You're missing the point.

The climate of the time you speak of.............................................. is so much different than the climate now.
It's all about the timing. Thus I say, we have to seize this moment.

I am not missing the point

She is an ethnic minority so is Singh. No benefit there
She is a woman, I believe the Green Party leader is as well. No benefit there

Scheer was not attacked because he was a man and white as Trudeau is as well

She will have to run on policies and not being a woman or an ethnic minority. That is why she would lose. Canadians are not socially conservative

 

[tosca1]

I am not missing the point

She is an ethnic minority so is Singh. No benefit there
She is a woman, I believe the Green Party leader is as well. No benefit there

See? That's the evidence you're missing the point!

Is Singh a woman?
Is May, a person of color?

Lewis is BOTH! Plus more!


I've given these somewhere, but let me do it again. Here are the rest of what I see about her:


Lewis cannot be associated with Harper, Let's exploit that.
Lewis is new. Let's exploit that.
Lewis is not a career politician. Let's exploit that.
Lewis is not a member of the elite. Let's exploit that.
Lewis is female. Let's exploit that.
Lewis is black. Let's exploit that.
Lewis has a degree on Environment. Let's exploit that.
Lewis has a very positive persona - she doesn't strike me as someone who'll be a "loose cannon."
She is intelligent. She is diplomatic. Dignified. Motherly in stance. Let's exploit all that.


Let me add: since she's new.....she has no baggage! No scandal, no political gaffes or mud that can be used against her.

She's all those - in one package! :lol:

Scheer was not attacked because he was a man and white as Trudeau is as well

No. He was attacked for being a social Conservative - ganged up on by all the other parties, and of course by the left-leaning media!
Because except for Scheer, they are all leftist parties!

She will have to run on policies and not being a woman or an ethnic minority. That is why she would lose. Canadians are not socially conservative

OF course! She has her policies! It's on her website which I gave on the first page.

So - add her policies to all these:


Lewis cannot be associated with Harper, Let's exploit that.
Lewis is new. Let's exploit that.
Lewis is not a career politician. Let's exploit that.
Lewis is not a member of the elite. Let's exploit that.
Lewis is female. Let's exploit that.
Lewis is black. Let's exploit that.
Lewis has a degree on Environment. Let's exploit that.
Lewis has a very positive persona - she doesn't strike me as someone who'll be a "loose cannon."
She is intelligent. She is diplomatic. Dignified. Motherly in stance. Let's exploit all that.


Let me add: since she's new.....she has no baggage! No scandal, no political gaffes or mud that can be used against her.


She's all those.


And of course......the kind of climate that we're in now. This systemic racism that's a huge global issue.
The timing is perfect for her to go against Trudeau!

That's why I say: She will be the unifier for all Canadians - not only Conservatives!

 

[Mika-El]

I agree with you - McKay seems to be the crown prince.
I don't think McKay stands a chance against Trudeau.
With his past positions in politics, the Libs had most prepared for the likelihood that he'll be the next leader - and likely to have quite a lot to throw against him.

Unfortunately your common sense does not bode well for the partisan ways of the Tory party. I am one of those Red Tories Blue Liberals smack in the middle. I can't stand Trudeau and I would like someone new in the Tory's. We need someone who can deal with the fiscal and foreign policy disasters of Trudeau but is progressive enough to deal with the next generation inheriting this mess. They said Sheer was just a repeat of Harper. Financially maybe the rest I do not know. I am looking for someone who will not mince words on how bankrupt the federal government is and how its functioning on loans crippling future generations. I would like to see someone with more inter-personal skills to deal with people he or she disagrees with as well. Oh screw it have Rex Murphy run.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Unfortunately your common sense does not bode well for the partisan ways of the Tory party. I am one of those Red Tories Blue Liberals smack in the middle. I can't stand Trudeau and I would like someone new in the Tory's. We need someone who can deal with the fiscal and foreign policy disasters of Trudeau but is progressive enough to deal with the next generation inheriting this mess. They said Sheer was just a repeat of Harper. Financially maybe the rest I do not know. I am looking for someone who will not mince words on how bankrupt the federal government is and how its functioning on loans crippling future generations. I would like to see someone with more inter-personal skills to deal with people he or she disagrees with as well. Oh screw it have Rex Murphy run.

We need Chrétien and Paul Martin back if we want fiscal responsibility back

The only government since the 60s to actually pay down debt

 

[Carjosse]

That's how you see it. You're entitled to it. :shrug:


I saw differently.

What would change? Do you think the country suddenly had a very hard turn to the right socially in the last year? In an earlier post you said you couldn't vote for someone pro-choice, well the majority tof he country is the opposite and unless that has suddenly changed dramatically in the last year Lewis would no chance of winning anything.

It is not an opinion it is a fact of the Canadian electorate.

 

[tosca1]

What would change? Do you think the country suddenly had a very hard turn to the right socially in the last year? In an earlier post you said you couldn't vote for someone pro-choice, well the majority tof he country is the opposite and unless that has suddenly changed dramatically in the last year Lewis would no chance of winning anything.

It is not an opinion it is a fact of the Canadian electorate.

The Canadian electorate could very well vote for Trudeau again. That is a fact.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Read my posts again.