Conservatives Beginning (Finally) to Admit They Hate Democracy

Conservatives often take aim at democracy in the US by stating that we live in a Republic. It's a less than subtle show of distain for democratic rule and an attempt to deny our form of government is democratic. Trumputinists prefer tyranny of the minority, a beloved autocrat such as Trump in league with other dictators (or under their control - Putin), maybe initially with a theocratic twist to lure in the useful idjits is their preference. Democracy is such a personal burden, is it not(?) and this absolves them of being an active participant.

Well, here is an interesting article outlining the first more public calls for overthrow of the government (which we certainly saw on Jan 6),
and it's fledgling machinations.


An antidemocratic philosophy called 'neoreaction' is creeping into GOP politics

President Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election were brazenly antidemocratic. Yet Trump and his supporters nonetheless justified their actions under the dubious pretense of preserving American democracy – as a matter of getting the vote right, of reversing voter fraud.

But in recent months, a strand of conservative thought whose adherents are forthright in their disdain for democracy has started to creep into GOP politics. It’s called “neoreaction,” and its leading figure, a software engineer and blogger named Curtis Yarvin, has ties to at least two GOP U.S. Senate candidates, along with Peter Thiel, a major GOP donor.

In my years researching the far right, I see this as one of the more significant developments in right-wing politics. Someone who calls himself a monarchist isn’t being relegated to the fringes of the internet. He’s being interviewed by Fox News’ Tucker Carlson and has U.S. Senate candidates repeating his talking points.

In 2007, Yarvin launched his blog, “Unqualified Reservations.” Writing under the pseudonym Mencius Moldbug, he produced a prodigious corpus of political philosophy.

In his writings, Yarvin cites his political influences. They include the 19th-century political philosopher Thomas Carlyle, who disdained democracy and thought it could too easily veer into mob rule; American 20th-century political theorist James Burnham, who became convinced that elites would come to control the country’s politics while couching their interests in democratic rhetoric; and economist Hans-Hermann Hoppe, who, in his 2001 book “Democracy: The God That Failed,” wrote of how all organizations – irrespective of size – are best managed by a single executive.

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Another important neoreactionary figure is Nick Land, whose main contribution to the philosophy is the concept of accelerationism. In essence, accelerationism is based on Vladimir Lenin’s notion that “worse is better.” The Russian revolutionary maintained that the more chaotic conditions became, the greater the likelihood that his Bolshevik party could accomplish its goals.

Analogously, right-wing accelerationists believe that they can hasten the demise of liberal democratic governments by stoking political tension.

Both Yarvin and Land believe that gradual, incremental reforms to democracy will not save Western society; instead, a “hard reset” or “reboot” is necessary. To that end, Yarvin has coined the acronym “RAGE” – Retire All Government Employees – as a crucial step toward that goal. The acronym is reminiscent of former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon’s vow to deconstruct the administrative state.

Yarvin advocates for an entirely new system of government – what he calls “neocameralism.” He advocates for a centrally managed economy led by a monarch

i just wish they'd take our flag off their houses.

They've been saying for at least two years now that "we are not a democracy."

I mean...it's not like they're being coy about it.

JH Oldoc said:

Conservatives often take aim at democracy in the US by stating that we live in a Republic. It's a less than subtle show of distain for democratic rule and an attempt to deny our form of government is democratic. Trumputinists prefer tyranny of the minority, a beloved autocrat such as Trump in league with other dictators (or under their control - Putin), maybe initially with a theocratic twist to lure in the useful idjits is their preference. Democracy is such a personal burden, is it not(?) and this absolves them of being an active participant.

Well, here is an interesting article outlining the first more public calls for overthrow of the government (which we certainly saw on Jan 6),
and it's fledgling machinations.

An antidemocratic philosophy called 'neoreaction' is creeping into GOP politics

J.D. Vance, who won Ohio's GOP Senate primary, calls neoreactionist Curtis Yarvin a friend. Drew Angerer/Getty ImagesPresident Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election were brazenly antidemocratic. Yet Trump and his supporters nonetheless justified their actions under...

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An antidemocratic philosophy called 'neoreaction' is creeping into GOP politics

President Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election were brazenly antidemocratic. Yet Trump and his supporters nonetheless justified their actions under the dubious pretense of preserving American democracy – as a matter of getting the vote right, of reversing voter fraud.

But in recent months, a strand of conservative thought whose adherents are forthright in their disdain for democracy has started to creep into GOP politics. It’s called “neoreaction,” and its leading figure, a software engineer and blogger named Curtis Yarvin, has ties to at least two GOP U.S. Senate candidates, along with Peter Thiel, a major GOP donor.

In my years researching the far right, I see this as one of the more significant developments in right-wing politics. Someone who calls himself a monarchist isn’t being relegated to the fringes of the internet. He’s being interviewed by Fox News’ Tucker Carlson and has U.S. Senate candidates repeating his talking points.

In 2007, Yarvin launched his blog, “Unqualified Reservations.” Writing under the pseudonym Mencius Moldbug, he produced a prodigious corpus of political philosophy.

In his writings, Yarvin cites his political influences. They include the 19th-century political philosopher Thomas Carlyle, who disdained democracy and thought it could too easily veer into mob rule; American 20th-century political theorist James Burnham, who became convinced that elites would come to control the country’s politics while couching their interests in democratic rhetoric; and economist Hans-Hermann Hoppe, who, in his 2001 book “Democracy: The God That Failed,” wrote of how all organizations – irrespective of size – are best managed by a single executive.

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"Trumputinists".....I like that. Wish I had thought of it.

jnug said:

"Trumputinists".....I like that. Wish I had thought of it.

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An old term of my coinage. It's ... what I do.

You can see it on here as well with multiple Conservatives advocating a return to voting rights being tied to property rights.

The only form of government that MAGA favors is that which keeps it in power. If that is democracy, great. If not, that’s okay too.

It was obvious over the slly insistence that somehow a country being a republic did not mean it could be a democracy. That was a pretty blatant attempt to change the overton window.

I must say I believe, or fear, that taking the world as a whole these things are on the increase. Hitler, no doubt, will soon disappear, but only at the expense of strengthening (a) Stalin, (b) the Anglo-American millionaires and (c) all sorts of petty fuhrers of the type of de Gaulle. All the national movements everywhere, even those that originate in resistance to German domination, seem to take non-democratic forms, to group themselves round some superhuman fuhrer (Hitler, Stalin, Salazar, Franco, Gandhi, De Valera are all varying examples) and to adopt the theory that the end justifies the means. Everywhere the world movement seems to be in the direction of centralised economies which can be made to ‘work’ in an economic sense but which are not democratically organised and which tend to establish a caste system. With this go the horrors of emotional nationalism and a tendency to disbelieve in the existence of objective truth because all the facts have to fit in with the words and prophecies of some infallible fuhrer. Already history has in a sense ceased to exist, ie. there is no such thing as a history of our own times which could be universally accepted, and the exact sciences are endangered as soon as military necessity ceases to keep people up to the mark. Hitler can say that the Jews started the war, and if he survives that will become official history. He can’t say that two and two are five, because for the purposes of, say, ballistics they have to make four. But if the sort of world that I am afraid of arrives, a world of two or three great superstates which are unable to conquer one another, two and two could become five if the fuhrer wished it. That, so far as I can see, is the direction in which we are actually moving, though, of course, the process is reversible.
As to the comparative immunity of Britain and the USA. Whatever the pacifists etc. may say, we have not gone totalitarian yet and this is a very hopeful symptom. I believe very deeply, as I explained in my book The Lion and the Unicorn, in the English people and in their capacity to centralise their economy without destroying freedom in doing so. But one must remember that Britain and the USA haven’t been really tried, they haven’t known defeat or severe suffering, and there are some bad symptoms to balance the good ones. To begin with there is the general indifference to the decay of democracy. Do you realise, for instance, that no one in England under 26 now has a vote and that so far as one can see the great mass of people of that age don’t give a damn for this? Secondly there is the fact that the intellectuals are more totalitarian in outlook than the common people. On the whole the English intelligentsia have opposed Hitler, but only at the price of accepting Stalin. Most of them are perfectly ready for dictatorial methods, secret police, systematic falsification of history etc. so long as they feel that it is on ‘our’ side. Indeed the statement that we haven’t a Fascist movement in England largely means that the young, at this moment, look for their fuhrer elsewhere. One can’t be sure that that
won’t change, nor can one be sure that the common people won’t think ten years hence as the intellectuals do now. I hope they won’t, I even trust they won’t, but if so it will be at the cost of a struggle. If one simply proclaims that all is for the best and doesn’t point to the sinister symptoms, one is merely helping to bring totalitarianism nearer.

You also ask, if I think the world tendency is towards Fascism, why do I support the war. It is a choice of evils—I fancy nearly every war is that. I know enough of British imperialism not to like it, but I would support it against Nazism or Japanese imperialism, as the lesser evil. Similarly I would support the USSR against Germany because I think the USSR cannot altogether escape its past and retains enough of the original ideas of the Revolution to make it a more hopeful phenomenon than Nazi Germany. I think, and have thought ever since the war began, in 1936 or thereabouts, that our cause is the better, but we have to keep on making it the better, which involves constant criticism.

Yours sincerely,
Geo. Orwell (1944)

The GOP has devolved into a bunch of people who claim to love America, yet want to destroy all of its institutions.
What do they think will happen when they get rid of the government?

Hmmm.... sounds like a bunch of commies trying to convince themselves they don't hate America to me.

Grandpappy said:

Hmmm.... sounds like a bunch of commies trying to convince themselves they don't hate America to me.

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Communism is, of course, just another form of conservatism, is it not?
The polar opposite of Liberalism.

Grandpappy said:

Hmmm.... sounds like a bunch of commies trying to convince themselves they don't hate America to me.

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True… why do you think the GOP is acting like a bunch of commies? Since you’re a conservative, perhaps you could share what it is that prompts you to think and behave like a commie? Also, why do you hate America yet try to convince yourself that you don’t?

Trump voter here. American democracy has failed because it gives everyone equal voting rights even though we're not all equal. Secondly, it's clear that the majority of Americans under 30 don't love this nation and have been indoctrinated the past 25 years go hate it, it's laws, and it's history. This means one thing is clear; there is no need to compromise or negotiate with the progressive left. People who hate the idea of representative democracy and the electoral college aren't American by any definition. Direct democracy is basically mob mentality in voter form - a very dangerous and stupid thing.

The fight today is between globalists and American Nationalism. There is nothing in between.

Grandpappy said:

Hmmm.... sounds like a bunch of commies trying to convince themselves they don't hate America to me.

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Doesn't everything sound like that to you?

Channe79 said:

Trump voter here. American democracy has failed because it gives everyone equal voting rights even though we're not all equal. Secondly, it's clear that the majority of Americans under 30 don't love this nation and have been indoctrinated the past 25 years go hate it, it's laws, and it's history. This means one thing is clear; there is no need to compromise or negotiate with the progressive left. People who hate the idea of representative democracy and the electoral college aren't American by any definition. Direct democracy is basically mob mentality in voter form - a very dangerous and stupid thing.

The fight today is between globalists and American Nationalism. There is nothing in between.

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By the time I was 30, I had gone to war for my country and served overseas on the staff of a US Embassy. How was it evident I hated America?

Channe79 said:

Trump voter here. American democracy has failed because it gives everyone equal voting rights even though we're not all equal.

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Saying the quiet part out loud...

Channe79 said:

Trump voter here. American democracy has failed because it gives everyone equal voting rights even though we're not all equal.

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People who believe this aren’t American by any definition.

Channe79 said:

Trump voter here. American democracy has failed because it gives everyone equal voting rights even though we're not all equal. Secondly, it's clear that the majority of Americans under 30 don't love this nation and have been indoctrinated the past 25 years go hate it, it's laws, and it's history. This means one thing is clear; there is no need to compromise or negotiate with the progressive left. People who hate the idea of representative democracy and the electoral college aren't American by any definition. Direct democracy is basically mob mentality in voter form - a very dangerous and stupid thing.

The fight today is between globalists and American Nationalism. There is nothing in between.

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I see the MAGA is strong in you. You’d be well qualified to join the ranks of Bannon’s Shock Troopers. You might even rise to the rank of a minor squad leader.

Channe79 said:

Trump voter here.

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How refreshingly honest your post was.

Channe79 said:

because it gives everyone equal voting rights even though we're not all equal

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Right, the Electoral College has seen to us not being all equal in voting. That's why we have presidents elected by a minority of voters.

JH Oldoc said:

Conservatives often take aim at democracy in the US by stating that we live in a Republic. It's a less than subtle show of distain for democratic rule and an attempt to deny our form of government is democratic. Trumputinists prefer tyranny of the minority, a beloved autocrat such as Trump in league with other dictators (or under their control - Putin), maybe initially with a theocratic twist to lure in the useful idjits is their preference. Democracy is such a personal burden, is it not(?) and this absolves them of being an active participant.

Well, here is an interesting article outlining the first more public calls for overthrow of the government (which we certainly saw on Jan 6),
and it's fledgling machinations.

An antidemocratic philosophy called 'neoreaction' is creeping into GOP politics

J.D. Vance, who won Ohio's GOP Senate primary, calls neoreactionist Curtis Yarvin a friend. Drew Angerer/Getty ImagesPresident Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election were brazenly antidemocratic. Yet Trump and his supporters nonetheless justified their actions under...

www.yahoo.com

An antidemocratic philosophy called 'neoreaction' is creeping into GOP politics

President Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election were brazenly antidemocratic. Yet Trump and his supporters nonetheless justified their actions under the dubious pretense of preserving American democracy – as a matter of getting the vote right, of reversing voter fraud.

But in recent months, a strand of conservative thought whose adherents are forthright in their disdain for democracy has started to creep into GOP politics. It’s called “neoreaction,” and its leading figure, a software engineer and blogger named Curtis Yarvin, has ties to at least two GOP U.S. Senate candidates, along with Peter Thiel, a major GOP donor.

In my years researching the far right, I see this as one of the more significant developments in right-wing politics. Someone who calls himself a monarchist isn’t being relegated to the fringes of the internet. He’s being interviewed by Fox News’ Tucker Carlson and has U.S. Senate candidates repeating his talking points.

In 2007, Yarvin launched his blog, “Unqualified Reservations.” Writing under the pseudonym Mencius Moldbug, he produced a prodigious corpus of political philosophy.

In his writings, Yarvin cites his political influences. They include the 19th-century political philosopher Thomas Carlyle, who disdained democracy and thought it could too easily veer into mob rule; American 20th-century political theorist James Burnham, who became convinced that elites would come to control the country’s politics while couching their interests in democratic rhetoric; and economist Hans-Hermann Hoppe, who, in his 2001 book “Democracy: The God That Failed,” wrote of how all organizations – irrespective of size – are best managed by a single executive.

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Nope you are just wrong. Conservatives don't hate democracy, they hate crazy progressives who support marxist/socialist/communist policies. The don't like people who tell children that they can switch sexes on a whim and then if it doesn't work out they can switch back. They don't like progressives who think we should open our arms to illegal immigration with no restrictions or regulation and the result is a rise in criminal entry, drug trafficking and child and sex trafficking. We don't like people who think they can do nothing and are owned something by others who work their ass off to obtain a degree of security . We don't like people who denigrate, religion, America, the founding fathers, or true democracy.

Greenbeard said:

People who believe this aren’t American by any definition.

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Wrong. The idea of Universal Suffrage is against the Spirit of the original Constitution.
It's clear that we need to raise the voting age, and it's clear that a record of full time employment should be mandatory for voting rights.

Questerr said:

By the time I was 30, I had gone to war for my country and served overseas on the staff of a US Embassy. How was it evident I hated America?

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Thank you for your service. That, however, doesn't excuse you from supporting today's democrat party.
The idea of the modern left is antithetical to anything found in the Constitution.

phoenix2020 said:

I see the MAGA is strong in you. You’d be well qualified to join the ranks of Bannon’s Shock Troopers. You might even rise to the rank of a minor squad leader.

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Well, since you leftists claim MAGA is only for Whites, I wouldn't be able to join .....