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Mancow has my respect, not only for practicing what he preaches, but also for honestly admitting that he was wrong. Too bad Hannity is not the same way. It seems that Mancow has more honesty in his little finger than Hannity has in his whole body.The upshot? "It is way worse than I thought it would be, and that's no joke," Mancow told listeners. "It is such an odd feeling to have water poured down your nose with your head back...It was instantaneous...and I don't want to say this: absolutely torture."
Saying its torture.
Note: The last thread on this had some great discussion in it, until it was trolled so badly that it was finally sent to the basement. To me, this is an important enough topic that it should not die just because a few people want to ruin it, so I am reposting it. I respectfully ask the mods to monitor this thread, and to be extremely Liberal with thread bans. Thanx in advance. Open discussion on this issue, which I feel is a very important one, is not going to die, just because a few troublemakers want it to.
Not all Conservative talk show hosts are big sissies like Sean Hannity. Controversial Conservative host Erich Mancow is one of them. Unlike Hannity, he followed through on his pledge to be waterboarded, and the result? He lasted 6 seconds, and now believes that waterboarding IS torture.
Mancow has my respect, not only for practicing what he preaches, but also for honestly admitting that he was wrong. Too bad Hannity is not the same way. It seems that Mancow has more honesty in his little finger than Hannity has in his whole body.
I want to see what the hyperpartisans are going to say now. Are they going to accept this, or has Mancow just now magically become a Liberal jihadist who hates America?
Article is here.
Saying its torture.
Note: The last thread on this had some great discussion in it, until it was trolled so badly that it was finally sent to the basement. To me, this is an important enough topic that it should not die just because a few people want to ruin it, so I am reposting it. I respectfully ask the mods to monitor this thread, and to be extremely Liberal with thread bans. Thanx in advance. Open discussion on this issue, which I feel is a very important one, is not going to die, just because a few troublemakers want it to. Whether an offender is on the left or the right, I will be reporting ALL posts which attempt to derail the discussion.
Not all Conservative talk show hosts are big sissies like Sean Hannity. Controversial Conservative host Erich Mancow is one of them. Unlike Hannity, he followed through on his pledge to be waterboarded, and the result? He lasted 6 seconds, and now believes that waterboarding IS torture.
Mancow has my respect, not only for practicing what he preaches, but also for honestly admitting that he was wrong. Too bad Hannity is not the same way. It seems that Mancow has more honesty in his little finger than Hannity has in his whole body.
I want to see what the hyperpartisans are going to say now. Are they going to accept this, or has Mancow just now magically become a Liberal jihadist who hates America?
Article is here.
Then I support torturing high-value enemy combatants.
Do you support them doing it to our troops?
I don't support them even being alive.
Yes Mancow was a denier up until he went through six seconds of waterboarding..now he is a believer.
I don't support them even being alive.
Then I support torturing high-value enemy combatants.
Do you support them doing it to our troops?
I guess a better question would be; would you consider it torture if they did it to our soldiers?
Who do you want dead?
So it would be OK for them to Waterboard our ununiformed civilian contractors to death while trying to draw false confessions out of them by torturing them?
Mancow told us what he thought after six seconds of having water poured down his nose and throat.
Drowning= death.
Like that would stop them. :doh
And I know the next response.
At least you admit to it being torture. Whether American soldiers have the right to torture is a whole other can of worms.
I don't think you understand my position.
I don't support anything a terrorist does...not hugging his children, not taking a dump, not saying 'thank you'...nothing.
I want him dead, so I don't support anything he does.
I don't support them even being alive.
Even the innocent one's?
Oh I forgot Cheney and his cohorts only tortured three people. Right?
Most "combatants and terrorists" taken to places like Gitmo and Abu Ghraib turned out to be innocent, and not the "combatants and terrorists" they were accused of being, and have been released without charges. Does it sit well with you that you don't want innocent people to be alive?
Saying its torture.
Note: The last thread on this had some great discussion in it, until it was trolled so badly that it was finally sent to the basement. To me, this is an important enough topic that it should not die just because a few people want to ruin it, so I am reposting it. I respectfully ask the mods to monitor this thread, and to be extremely Liberal with thread bans. Thanx in advance. Open discussion on this issue, which I feel is a very important one, is not going to die, just because a few troublemakers want it to. Whether an offender is on the left or the right, I will be reporting ALL posts which attempt to derail the discussion.
Not all Conservative talk show hosts are big sissies like Sean Hannity. Controversial Conservative host Erich Mancow is one of them. Unlike Hannity, he followed through on his pledge to be waterboarded, and the result? He lasted 6 seconds, and now believes that waterboarding IS torture.
Mancow has my respect, not only for practicing what he preaches, but also for honestly admitting that he was wrong. Too bad Hannity is not the same way. It seems that Mancow has more honesty in his little finger than Hannity has in his whole body.
I want to see what the hyperpartisans are going to say now. Are they going to accept this, or has Mancow just now magically become a Liberal jihadist who hates America?
Article is here.
Ok, you say it's torture. Ummm.....so what?I'm in awe that some don't see waterboarding as torture. How can it not be? Justify it all you want, but it cannot be regarded as anything else. Period.
Innocent terrorists?
Oh gee, another desperate attempt to impugn the Bush Administration with the asinine assertion that; (1) waterbaording is "torture" and; (2) that these methods will lead to our troops being tortured.
Let's address asinine assertion number TWO first; when our troops are captured, they REALLY are subject to despicable torture methods. I am POSITIVE that our men and women of the military only WISHED they would be treated the way we treat our prisoners.
In Vietnam, the same assholes that want to brand the Bush Administration as War Criminals defended the Communist Vietcong for their treatment of our prisoners by claiming the claims were fabricated. You can't get more asinine than that can you?
As for number ONE; what part of severe mental and physical punishment does anyone NOT get in this asinine debate which is nothing more than a hyper partisan political attempt to impugn the previous administration for purely hyper partisan political purposes?
The New York Times, Liberal rag for the ultra left claimed that on one enemy combatant they performed this technique over 185 times; I submit to you that if that is the case and the technique were truly "SEVERE," this terrorist would be DEAD by now.
What is the most asinine about this entire desperate and despicable attempt to impugn previous administrations is the FACT that the political cretins like Pelosi who are attempting to try and prosecute their political opponents in the public arena were privy to the techniques and said NOTHING...NADA....ZILCH.
Carry on; I am sure this is not the last of the asinine attempts to raise this issue as if it had even the slightest merit. Of course the usual cabal of hand wringing forum Liberals will blather the thread with their typical feigned outrage about issues they no ZERO about and claim these are terrible times.
But if you want to REALLY understand torture; it is having to read the never ending Bush Bashing threads Dan puts up on this forum; now THAT is REAL torture. :rofl
Do you support them doing it to our troops?
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