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OK so this just had to be said. It's probably been said before, but it apparently needs to be said again. So OK. After reading a few posts by conservatives on here and many more on other websites not to mention having watched Glenn Beck scream into the camera like a mad, deranged lunatic (his camerman must be drenched with saliva at the end of every show) you clearly need a lesson in logic re: Obama, the "Marxist", the "socialist", the "Nazi". Your arguments usually run something like this:

First premise: Obama believes in socialized medicine
Second premise: Karl Marx believed in socialized medicine
Conclusion: Obama is a Marxist

This is tantamount to arguing as follows:

First premise: All dogs are animals
Second premise: All cats are animals
Conclusion: All dogs are cats


How can you defend such illogical nonsense? Please I really want to know because when I read stuff like that I become more and more convinced that the human race is completely and utterly doomed.
 

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How can you defend such illogical nonsense?
You can't. You can only really blindly accept it in order to justify a political and social belief system that has been pummeled into your head by outlets like Fox News.
 
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To be fair a number of conservatives on this site don't think like that. They will criticize President Obama for having socialist policies, but not of being communist/marxist/socialist. But both sides fall to faulty logic like that.
 

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To be fair a number of conservatives on this site don't think like that. They will criticize President Obama for having socialist policies, but not of being communist/marxist/socialist. But both sides fall to faulty logic like that.
Every single president's policy in recent years has implemented elements of "socialism". The United States runs on what's called a mixed economy. We have elements of both socialism and capitalism. So going and criticizing someone for being a "socialist" for no good reason is frankly stupid.
 

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OK so this just had to be said. It's probably been said before, but it apparently needs to be said again. So OK. After reading a few posts by conservatives on here and many more on other websites not to mention having watched Glenn Beck scream into the camera like a mad, deranged lunatic (his camerman must be drenched with saliva at the end of every show) you clearly need a lesson in logic re: Obama, the "Marxist", the "socialist", the "Nazi". Your arguments usually run something like this:

First premise: Obama believes in socialized medicine
Second premise: Karl Marx believed in socialized medicine
Conclusion: Obama is a Marxist

This is tantamount to arguing as follows:

First premise: All dogs are animals
Second premise: All cats are animals
Conclusion: All dogs are cats


How can you defend such illogical nonsense? Please I really want to know because when I read stuff like that I become more and more convinced that the human race is completely and utterly doomed.
I'm a Conservative.
I believe in Universal Healthcare.
I don't like President Obama.

Extrapolate from that.
 

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I'm a Conservative.
I believe in Universal Healthcare.
I don't like President Obama.

Extrapolate from that.
Labeling yourself as Conservative is really like putting a very vague generalist tag on yourself. Conservative could range from very moderate, sensible and perhaps closer to centrist really, all the way to bat-**** insane right-wing like Glenn Beck.
 

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Labeling yourself as Conservative is really like putting a very vague generalist tag on yourself. Conservative could range from very moderate, sensible and perhaps closer to centrist really, all the way to bat-**** insane right-wing like Glenn Beck.
Ha! You're right, of course. Maybe I'll have to redefine myself. ;-) Actually, though, I'd think that the more important issue is how others define me. And that tends to change depending on the topic at hand. Any advice? ;-)
 

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Ha! You're right, of course. Maybe I'll have to redefine myself. ;-) Actually, though, I'd think that the more important issue is how others define me. And that tends to change depending on the topic at hand. Any advice? ;-)
I think it's probably mostly about first impressions. People tend to assume a lot about you from what you say first, and importantly how you say it. I never really thought about bending over to other people's sensibilities though. I just say what I think. xD
 

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Every single president's policy in recent years has implemented elements of "socialism". The United States runs on what's called a mixed economy. We have elements of both socialism and capitalism. So going and criticizing someone for being a "socialist" for no good reason is frankly stupid.
Yes I know. That is why I said they won't label President Obama as socialist, but attack policies that are socialist. And it isn't stupid. You turn socialist into a bad word and then put it with the person you are running against. It makes people not want to vote for a socialist person, even if the candidate isn't really socialist.
 

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Yes I know. That is why I said they won't label President Obama as socialist, but attack policies that are socialist. And it isn't stupid. You turn socialist into a bad word and then put it with the person you are running against. It makes people not want to vote for a socialist person, even if the candidate isn't really socialist.
One of my favorite adds during the local elections in 2010 was one state congressmen pointing out that the other called social security a "socialist" program. This was supposed to prove why he was unfit for office, because he thought SS was socialist. One of the better laughs that year.
 

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Yes I know. That is why I said they won't label President Obama as socialist, but attack policies that are socialist. And it isn't stupid. You turn socialist into a bad word and then put it with the person you are running against. It makes people not want to vote for a socialist person, even if the candidate isn't really socialist.
Oh yea definitely, it's funny too when people start to do it so obviously. Like when you see a group of activists with signs saying Obama is a Fascist and a Communist at the same time...
 

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I'm a Conservative.
I believe in Universal Healthcare.
I don't like President Obama.

Extrapolate from that.
Youre a delusional Marxist who doesnt like black people


Kidding of course
 

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All those **** conservatives, posting nothing but Glenn Beck material all day long, I can't stand it! :roll:

In a country where a lot more people identify with conservativism than liberalism, it only makes sense that there's such a blowback against the ideological progressivism of Barry and Co.

Call me crazy, but maybe Americans aren't used to seeing the federal government take over a company. But I guess saying that makes me a rabid, right-wing nut case.
 

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One of my favorite adds during the local elections in 2010 was one state congressmen pointing out that the other called social security a "socialist" program. This was supposed to prove why he was unfit for office, because he thought SS was socialist. One of the better laughs that year.
Oh this girl at a party called me socialist for voting for President Obama. Why I don't know, but the more confusing thing is why we were talking about politics at a party. A 21st birthday party no less.
 

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People who call themselves conservative define what is liberal and people who call themselves liberal define what is conservative, meanwhile, those who call themselves conservative fail in articulating conservative political ideology and those defining themselves as liberal fail in articulating liberal political ideology.

No wonder everybody is confused.
 

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One of my favorite adds during the local elections in 2010 was one state congressmen pointing out that the other called social security a "socialist" program. This was supposed to prove why he was unfit for office, because he thought SS was socialist. One of the better laughs that year.
SS is a socialist program, after all what is the first word that is used here...Social and by definition it is: social; Adjective/ and for the noun; Socialist.
 

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I'm a Conservative.
I believe in Universal Healthcare.
I don't like President Obama.

Extrapolate from that.
OMG Space Nazis!!!
 

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SS is a socialist program, after all what is the first word that is used here...Social and by definition it is: social; Adjective/ and for the noun; Socialist.
That is why I found it amusing. I forget the exact wording of the add, but it was along the lines of "would you trust some one who thinks SS is socialist".
 

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I'm a Conservative.
I believe in Universal Healthcare.
I don't like President Obama.

Extrapolate from that.
That highlights the problem with any label(and why I bitch about them so much). For me:

Liberal
For gun rights
Veteran
Law and Order
Against Hate Crime laws


And I could go on. Some of those actually are liberal positions, but none are associated with tea drinking, elitist, troop hating commie, socialist liberals in the minds of many.

On the other hand, it's fun when people start debating me based on my label
 

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That highlights the problem with any label(and why I bitch about them so much). For me:

Liberal
For gun rights
Veteran
Law and Order
Against Hate Crime laws

And I could go on. Some of those actually are liberal positions, but none are associated with tea drinking, elitist, troop hating commie, socialist liberals in the minds of many.

On the other hand, it's fun when people start debating me based on my label
I can understand that. Redress!! Thank you for your service.
 

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That is why I found it amusing. I forget the exact wording of the add, but it was along the lines of "would you trust some one who thinks SS is socialist".
I would have liked to have seen that add as well, SS is more like a ponzi sceme benefactors withdrawaling since it's inception with no balance to cover the withdrawals, this was doomed to fail with from the beginning.
 

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Labeling yourself as Conservative is really like putting a very vague generalist tag on yourself. Conservative could range from very moderate, sensible and perhaps closer to centrist really, all the way to bat-**** insane right-wing like Glenn Beck.
Beck is a libertarian.
 

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OK so this just had to be said. It's probably been said before, but it apparently needs to be said again. So OK. After reading a few posts by conservatives on here and many more on other websites not to mention having watched Glenn Beck scream into the camera like a mad, deranged lunatic (his camerman must be drenched with saliva at the end of every show) you clearly need a lesson in logic re: Obama, the "Marxist", the "socialist", the "Nazi". Your arguments usually run something like this:

First premise: Obama believes in socialized medicine
Second premise: Karl Marx believed in socialized medicine
Conclusion: Obama is a Marxist

This is tantamount to arguing as follows:

First premise: All dogs are animals
Second premise: All cats are animals
Conclusion: All dogs are cats


How can you defend such illogical nonsense? Please I really want to know because when I read stuff like that I become more and more convinced that the human race is completely and utterly doomed.
I am a conservative, my arguments don't run like that, I didn't vote for Obama, your premise has failed.

Look, most of the time calling Obama Marxist is not an exercise in accuracy as much as it is name calling. I don't do it but some do and I don't care. It really means to them that he is a liberal leaning Democrat who wants to expand government in a way that is distastefull to them. That takes too long to say and won't have the impact of calling him a Marxist. It is not necessary to get involved in the minutia of exactly who Marx is compared to Obama.
 

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OK so this just had to be said. It's probably been said before, but it apparently needs to be said again. So OK. After reading a few posts by conservatives on here and many more on other websites not to mention having watched Glenn Beck scream into the camera like a mad, deranged lunatic (his camerman must be drenched with saliva at the end of every show) you clearly need a lesson in logic re: Obama, the "Marxist", the "socialist", the "Nazi". Your arguments usually run something like this:

First premise: Obama believes in socialized medicine
Second premise: Karl Marx believed in socialized medicine
Conclusion: Obama is a Marxist

This is tantamount to arguing as follows:

First premise: All dogs are animals
Second premise: All cats are animals
Conclusion: All dogs are cats


How can you defend such illogical nonsense? Please I really want to know because when I read stuff like that I become more and more convinced that the human race is completely and utterly doomed.
surrealistpenguin logic:

First premise: I've seen a conservative (or a few) make this argument.
Second premise: All conservatives think exactly alike.
Conclusion: All conservatives make this argument.
 

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Beck is a martian.
Fixed your typo for you, chief!

surrealistpenguin logic:

First premise: I've seen a conservative (or a few) make this argument.
Second premise: All conservatives think exactly alike.
Conclusion: All conservatives make this argument.
Swap conservative for liberal and you still see it constantly. Absolutism never works out right.
 
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