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Conservative icon says 'the quiet part' very loudly

Name one thing conservatives are doing to suppress voting. And don't say voter ID, you have to show ID to buy booze or airline tickets ffs.

Aggressive purging of rolls, closing and moving polling stations, aggressive sig matching and other ‘questioning’ of ballots, redistricting, stacking electoral boards with partisans and writing laws that will allow them to overturn votes they don’t like.

Oh and harder ID laws despite your pitiful demand anyway, because that, like the others in another unnecessary hurdle that makes voting harder today than it was yesterday and there is no demonstrable honest reason for doing so.
 
Democrats know that the easier it is for people to vote, then the easier it is to buy votes with promises of free stuff. Obama was one of the best Democratic politicians ever.



But people still have to be permitted to vote.

It doesn’t matter a damn if you don’t like who they vote for or why you think they do it.

Making it harder isn’t the answer. The GOP should simply offer them something better, if it can.
 
Ah, so each vote should be for sale to the highest bidder?

That would seem like a smart move, but that is not what uptower argued. It would just have to be "better" from the perspective of a majority of voters. The party that ensures the better protection of citizens' life, liberty and property can be more than enough. It certainly has been in the past.
 
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I'm not sure what to call Matt Walsh, but he works for Ben Shapiro or something. Anyway, here he is saying that voting rights should only be reserved for elite people because the masses are too stupid to steer 'democracy' correctly.



This is not a new sentiment among the right wing, and is what I suspect most of them believe. Saying you support democracy is fine when you can win elections. However, conservatives can't win federal elections without suppressing the vote, because they know their ideas are not palatable to the average person. That ship sailed after Bush. Even when they cheat they generally lose, so they have to resort to more voter suppressing tactics to maintain power. This is why those of us with sense believe that democracy is in peril. If they attain power without fundamentally sabotaging democracy, they will never win another election. The last heist is always the biggest.

Don't worry, the Hillary / Sinema ticket will save us.


Unless the statement is immediately followed up by something along the lines of "...and that is the clip that leftists would just love to use against me. Too bad I don't believe that. Sorry, snowflakes. I want as many people as possible to vote and to vote conservative." it is an appalling statement.
 
I'm not sure what to call Matt Walsh, but he works for Ben Shapiro or something. Anyway, here he is saying that voting rights should only be reserved for elite people because the masses are too stupid to steer 'democracy' correctly.



This is not a new sentiment among the right wing, and is what I suspect most of them believe. Saying you support democracy is fine when you can win elections. However, conservatives can't win federal elections without suppressing the vote, because they know their ideas are not palatable to the average person. That ship sailed after Bush. Even when they cheat they generally lose, so they have to resort to more voter suppressing tactics to maintain power. This is why those of us with sense believe that democracy is in peril. If they attain power without fundamentally sabotaging democracy, they will never win another election. The last heist is always the biggest.

Don't worry, the Hillary / Sinema ticket will save us.

Obviously this guy is not qualified to vote based on his own standard.
 
Let's consider the political left's views regarding the masses:

1. The masses are too stupid to decide how much to work for, therefore the state must impose minimum wage laws.

2. The masses are too stupid to hire other people, therefore the state must set up occupational licensing schemes to restrict their choices.

3. The masses are too stupid and violent to own and carry firearms.

4. The masses are too stupid to decide which drugs to put into their own bodies, therefore we need a prescription drug system to restrict their choices.

I'll stop there, but no one thinks less of the masses than the political left. You view the masses as petulant children, to be controlled and dominated by the state.
Try living in the real world for a bit.
 
Name one thing conservatives are doing to suppress voting. And don't say voter ID, you have to show ID to buy booze or airline tickets ffs.

This guy is advocating for the suppression and restriction of voting to the few. Doesn’t that count that?
 
What, exactly, about the winners of the primaries for the past few years suggests he's wrong?

I don't know about the "quiet part" - I've been advocating that we limit the vote to people who can pass the Citizenship Exam for years.

I must respectfully disagree with that sentiment, cpwill. While it is galling to know that everyone's vote is weighed equally (your vote is exactly equal to, say, someone who thinks creating a Caliphate, Stalinism, or Neo-Nazism is not a bad idea), I think all citizens should have an equal say in how they are governed. Both our national and state governments are Republics founded on the consent of the governed, and without the ability to choose one's elected representatives (or even reject all the choices) there can be no consent. Our country's founding revolution was based on the idea that our original government, i.e., the Crown of England and Parliament was illegitimate because the colonists had no representation in that Parliament.

The only workaround in to such an exam was if citizens disqualified from voting on the basis of their poor examination skills or lack of knowledge were also subject to being immune (or partially immune) from being to subject to laws or to taxation.
 
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Name one thing conservatives are doing to suppress voting. And don't say voter ID, you have to show ID to buy booze or airline tickets ffs.

In a free republic founded on the principle of the consent of the governed, agents of the government ought to be the ones to show citizens their identifications. Not the other way around.
 
I'm not sure what to call Matt Walsh, but he works for Ben Shapiro or something. Anyway, here he is saying that voting rights should only be reserved for elite people because the masses are too stupid to steer 'democracy' correctly.



This is not a new sentiment among the right wing, and is what I suspect most of them believe. Saying you support democracy is fine when you can win elections. However, conservatives can't win federal elections without suppressing the vote, because they know their ideas are not palatable to the average person. That ship sailed after Bush. Even when they cheat they generally lose, so they have to resort to more voter suppressing tactics to maintain power. This is why those of us with sense believe that democracy is in peril. If they attain power without fundamentally sabotaging democracy, they will never win another election. The last heist is always the biggest.

Don't worry, the Hillary / Sinema ticket will save us.

Aren't liberals elitist these days though?

Maybe he's being sarcastic to make a point.
 
Well only tax payers should be allowed to vote for sure. If you don't have skin in the game you should have a say over spending money.

I see your point. But what you're addressing has nothing to do with votes or voters. Banning the votes of people on welfare goes against their 1st Amendment right.

THE best solutions for this is simple:
1. Allow more than 2 parties on the debate stage. Considering the fake news and network bias towards third parties, it's essential that 3rd parties have a say.
2. The people themselves need to stop being party loyalist.
3. Party loyalist need to stop picking such horrible candidates. Or should I say, they need to stop letting the media pick their candidates. The Democrats allowed the DNC to dis Tulsi, a very decent democrat. And the RNC has thrown actual conservatives under the bus for a long time. (Ron Paul and Justin Amash)

We need to pick better candidates. But as long as we allow the party leaders and the media to dictate who's going to the winners, then "we the people" will never pick them. And we'll end up with people like Trump and Biden for another 100 years.
 
In a free republic founded on the principle of the consent of the governed, agents of the government ought to be the ones to show citizens their identifications. Not the other way around.

Agents of the government do show their ID's. And there's nothing wrong with us showing ours. In fact, ID's should be scanned to ensure it's not used to vote again. Even if it's a rare occurrence, putting this issue to rest, would be the best for everyone's sake.

BTW, if voting worked, they wouldn't let us do it.
 
Aggressive purging of rolls, closing and moving polling stations, aggressive sig matching and other ‘questioning’ of ballots, redistricting, stacking electoral boards with partisans and writing laws that will allow them to overturn votes they don’t like.

Oh and harder ID laws despite your pitiful demand anyway, because that, like the others in another unnecessary hurdle that makes voting harder today than it was yesterday and there is no demonstrable honest reason for doing so.

I suggest the GOP do a better job of running the country for the vast majority of people, the next time they have the majority. That way, they don't have to worry about the other party stealing anything, because the support of the best party, will always prevail.
As it stands, we have a stupid party and an evil party. Which one is which, doesn't matter. Fact is, they both suck. And have sucked for at least the last 90 years.

The R & D's have things where they want them. Sure, they may argue about some tweaking that needs to be done. But as long as they're both in charge, nothing for us will ever change or get much better. The left isn't the problem. Neither is the right. It's the leadership that creates this divide. It's the leadership that created the system. So blaming each other isn't going to solve anything. It's just a free pass for the R & D's to keep sucking.
 
Democrats know that the easier it is for people to vote, then the easier it is to buy votes with promises of free stuff. Obama was one of the best Democratic politicians ever.



Dude, she never said Obama was going to pay for her gas or mortgage.
 
Purging voter rolls.

You mean, purging of "whom."

Not dead people, obviously.

Lots of examples.
2000 in Florida -


Georgia 2018
Florida 2000
Georgia 2021 law
Well only tax payers should be allowed to vote for sure. If you don't have skin in the game you should have a say over spending money.
There's a lot more to the role of elected officials and to lawmaking than just taxing and spending.
 
Ah, so each vote should be for sale to the highest bidder?
Let me introduce you to Congress. Try, just try, as an average Joe/Jane citizen to get a meeting with your Congressperson. Then try as a committed donor who does the personal limit. Then try as very rich donor, personal or corporate, who additionally contributes to the Party and numerous PACs.

You're concerned about vote buying? THAT's where it happens.
 
It’s a remarkable coincidence, I’m sure, that everybody who has an opinion about which group of people voting should be reserved for always happens to belong to that group.
 
He isn’t a socialist. But I can link video segments that I believe demonstrates he is a fascist?
I would be interested in seeing those, as I suspect it will be difficult for those folks to demonstrate that he's a National Socialist if he is neither Nationalist, nor Socialist.
 
Bogus deflection.

Buying alcohol and plane tickets are not Constitutionally protected rights. Voting is.

What is your position on having to show ID in order to buy a gun IAW the 2nd Amendment?
 
I must respectfully disagree with that sentiment, cpwill. While it is galling to know that everyone's vote is weighed equally (your vote is exactly equal to, say, someone who thinks creating a Caliphate, Stalinism, or Neo-Nazism is not a bad idea), I think all citizens should have an equal say in how they are governed. Both our national and state governments are Republics founded on the consent of the governed, and without the ability to choose one's elected representatives (or even reject all the choices) there can be no consent. Our country's founding revolution was based on the idea that our original government, i.e., the Crown of England and Parliament was illegitimate because the colonists had no representation in that Parliament.

I can understand that position entirely, and agree with the purpose you are driving at - I am by no means saying we should do away with representative government. I would even add to your critique another factor that I think is important: voting can function as a way of letting off pressure in a political system, like a steam valve. Mass disenfranchisement of those who do not pass a citizenship could result in a buildup of pressure that eventually becomes explosive, and that is something that such a reform would have to address.

That being said, in no particular order (I just woke up :)), a couple of thoughts that I think are not so much counter-arguments as they are nuances:

1. Having corporate representation is not the same as individual representation. For example, my state is currently represented by a Senator I did not vote for - that "I" am not being represented by someone "I" voted for does not mean that I am not "being represented" in the Senate. Any system that is corporately representative will always have a degree of lack of individual representation by necessity. I agree this degree would be (at least initially) increased by requiring people to pass the citizenship exam in order to vote, but that is a difference in degree, rather than a difference in kind.*

*It may be noting that I suspect we would see an initial large dip in the electorate, followed by a steady rise as people (and especially parties and aligned activist groups) responded to incentives, and engaged in an education campaign. It's very plausible we end back up with a similar portion of the population voting, but, as better-educated citizens who have a better idea of who and what they are voting for.​

2. I believe we may be looking at a distinction here between "Consent" and "Informed Consent". I could have a three year old fill out a form, but, she won't know what she is doing, and, so, can't be said to have actually "Consented" to anything. I could get a similarly uninformed 18 year old to fill out a form by promising him a t-shirt if he comes out with an "I Voted" sticker, or telling him that his friends told him to check the boxes on the right side of the form all the way down, and it wouldn't be as if that 18 year old was providing informed consent to a party platform or even a broad approach to governance. I suggest here that the citizenship exam could stand in as a (agreeably imperfect) proxy for distinguishing between consent that is informed, and consent that is not.

3. The portion of the populace that would be denied the ability to choose their elected representatives in such a system would actually be very small, limited to those who lack the intellectual capacity to pass a citizenship exam, regardless of how they study. Everyone else will have the ability to choose their elected representatives, and may just lack the willingness to actually learn the material that is on the exam. This is similar to how many people today have the ability to vote, and lack the willingness to register or show up to cast a ballot.


The only workaround in to such an exam was if citizens disqualified from voting on the basis of their poor examination skills or lack of knowledge were also subject to being immune (or partially immune) from being to subject to laws or to taxation.
I do not know if that is - broadly - true. While IIRC we do exempt citizens in Puerto Rico from some federal taxes (because they lack corporate representation at the federal level), people who are currently disqualified from voting in the United States due to their status as a non-citizen, felon, or minor are not able to avoid taxes or subjugation to laws.
 
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