Congressman Wants To Pardon Border Agents

[Cold Dirt]

Translation: "I hate spics."

So does this mean that you're in favor of police murdering everyone who runs from them, because they might potentially be dangerous terrorists? :roll:

Translation....I am nothing but a race baiter who are usually racist bigots themselves

what you silly frickin moron liberals do not understand is....these people are NOT American citizens so they dont deserve the same rights under our laws.......they run when getting caught carrying drugs into this country and get shot.....too frickin bad.......... (btw, wonder how many American people will overdose and die from these drugs ayear and how many American families will be destroyed because someone dies or gets hooked on the drugs from these so called innocent drug lords?)

 

[Cold Dirt]

In simple words your "shoot to kill" advocacy is in line with stances previously taken and enacted by the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Hussein, The Shah, Idi Amin et al.

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dont forget Clinton and Reno

 

[NYStateofMind]

Can you post up the information you've read? That would change what is, in my opinion, the most important fact of the case. Namely that they had established his guilt through a search of the vehicle. If they had not ascertained that he was a criminal then they opened fire for what? Failing to comply with a police officer? That changes things. In that case, let him testify, convict them, then lock the drug dealer up.

Click on the link I posted. Read the whole thing. It says that he ran when they stopped his vehicle, and they chased him. They didn't have a chance to search the vehicle because he ran.

Apparently they opened fire because he ran away while they were trying to take him into custody. They didn't know he was an illegal immigrant, and they didn't know what was in his vehicle. Even if they had known that, it would not have justified the shooting.

I don't like the fact that the drug smuggler got immunity any more than anyone else does. But that doesn't change the fact that these agents broke the law, violated the man's constitutional rights and tried to cover it up. If they had done their job correctly, the drug runner would probably be in prison, and they would still be border patrol agents instead of convicted criminals.

 

[26 X World Champs]

what you silly frickin moron liberals do not understand is....these people are NOT American citizens so they dont deserve the same rights under our laws.......they run when getting caught carrying drugs into this country and get shot.....too frickin bad.

Yet another hard core right wing radical in this Forum who either does not understand the Constitution at all or worse, does understand it but won't abide by the parts that he disagrees with!

Every living human being within the borders of the USA is protected by our Constitution and no amount of pro-violence, pro-criminal anti-American advocating is going to destroy our Constitution or ultimately our country.

I hope that all of you who want to live in a land that does not have the strength of law and the strength of a Constitution will reconsider their immoral and unlawful stances or alternatively move to a country that people are not protected by laws, i.e. Iraq comes to mind...

 

[jamesrage]

You said you wanted the border patrol to murder anyone who runs from them.

It wouldn't be murder if they are authorized to shoot anyone who runs from them.

How do you know if they're American citizens or not, if they run away? From the color of their skin?

If they are running from border patrol agents they are obviously illegals instead of American citizens and those who are here legally..

 

[jamesrage]

We've had this conversation before. It doesn't matter what you think the constitution means, because you

a) don't understand it, and
b) have no authority to enforce policy based on it

Thankfully, those who DO make policy based on the constitution are more fully informed than you are and actually understand what it means.

I do not care for the blatant misinterpretation of the constitution you pro-illegals/pro-slave wage/pro-cheap votes/rat ACLU present.you people are traitors to this country,because you pro-slave wage republicans and pro-cheap votes democrats you are going to flush the sovereignty of this country down the toilet with your blatant misinterpretations of the constitution and one day you will wake up and the USA with be a severely corrupt turd world country like Mexico and many others.

 

[Stace]

Moderator's Warning:

Jeebus....would y'all just quit attacking each other? Forum rules and all that. Debate the topic, not each other...you've all heard the drill.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

When he made his break for escape they fired. Nothing wrong with that...

Welp, we know you're not a cop.
It's not okay to shoot a fleeing felon. You should investigate the rules in re the use of deadly force.

I see little wrong with the shooting, aside from their obvious and worrying lack of accuracy, and instead take issue with their dishonesty.

The precedent is troublesome for numerous reasons - not the least of which is that there would be no safeguard against corrupt BP agents killing folks for their own reasons.
Remember there have been BP agents who have been convicted of drug smuggling.
Just giving gov reps w/o safeguards is an exceptionally bad idea.

I suppose the question must be is it acceptable to fire upon a criminal unarmed and fleeing. I would say that it is, for he is fleeing justice and may pose a threat to law and order again in the future.

Again it relates to the dangers posed by corrupt officials.

It is possible that one day a person who is something less than sterling may slip past and be accidentally be hired as a BP agent. One day someone who puts his own interests and the interests of those who may ply him with funds and favors above the best interests of the American public could find his way into a BP job

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I just have to wonder though how can someone get one of the U.S.'s constitutional rights if they are not a citizen of US? The drug smuggler is getting the Fourth Amendment right that we cannot shoot him from behind, so does he just get that right because he was shot by US citizens? I mean I have read about non-us citizens being detained without constitutional rights so why would this guy get those rights other non-citizens are being denied. I am just a little confused about this, can anyone clear it up for me?

Should they have asked if he was a citizen before they started firing?

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Moderator's Warning:

Jeebus....would y'all just quit attacking each other? Forum rules and all that. Debate the topic, not each other...you've all heard the drill.

I haven't visited this thread in a couple days, but your warning begs the question: How many times do the same people have to be given these polite general warnings for posting personal attacks before they are finally removed from the forum?

 

[Schweddy]

I haven't visited this thread in a couple days, but your warning begs the question: How many times do the same people have to be given these polite general warnings for posting personal attacks before they are finally removed from the forum?

CurrentAffairs, please let the moderators do their job. You are not privy to what is going on behind the scenes. We have standards that need and will be followed. Your PM's to me are being discussed in the mod forum and you have shed some light on a few things. Thank you for that.

If you have constructive feedback, please post in the appropriate forum. There is also a forum to simply bitch about it if you are compelled to do that as well.

Now, can we let this thread get back on topic.

 

[BWG]

OK, I'll get it back on track for you vauge...LOL...:lol:

Like high-speed car chases, if they are not an immediate danger to the police officer or the public, don't chase them or shoot them. The resulting actions could place the officer or public in harms way. Is the penalty for the crime death? Get all the information possible and you'll get them another day. If they're criminals they'll screw up again.

The cover-up will get you every time!!

 

[Jay R]

Welp, we know you're not a cop.
It's not okay to shoot a fleeing felon. You should investigate the rules in re the use of deadly force.

I'm going to presume that's a spelling mistake and not an insult.
I'm not a law enforcement officer largely because when arresting drug dealers officers are not given the freedom to bust heads in the literal sense. Plus, where I'm from police don't have the option of lethal force even for self-defence.

Clearly, as they shot at the suspect without having any evidence beyond his fleeing these officers have committed a crime themselves. Quite why they didn't try pursuing him on foot I have no idea. One must also accept however, that the man's flight was indeed an indicator of guilt as discovered later. It has been said many times but bears reeating again, if you are innocent then you have no reason to run from the police. Still, if they had not ascertained his involvment in criminal activity I cannot support their action.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I'm going to presume that's a spelling mistake and not an insult.

I assume you're thinking of the word wHelp, which I did not use. 'Welp' is a colloquial, conversational American English word that sometimes takes the place of "well."

Plus, where I'm from police don't have the option of lethal force even for self-defence.

What country are you from?