Congress orders Trump to investigate Saudi prince's role in Khashoggi murder

[apdst]

Oh really...gee there was this little thing called WATERGATE which had a Senate Select Committee peering up Nixon's butt hole.

Congress has Oversight over the Executive Branch of which the President is a part. It is just unbelievable how many Trumpets think Donald is some sort of king. Thing again!

Thanks for that though. At least I know without question how to judge the credibility of your posts. If it does not come from some silo news feed, you just don't know, it DO YOU!

Congress doesn't have unlimited power.

 

[jnug]

Congress doesn't have unlimited power.

Ah-huh...Nice try. Nobody has unlimited power including the President. So how is your response relevant to anything?

 

[Manc Skipper]

It is now official: Treat Trump right and you can murder and brutally butcher an American resident and journalist for one of our most distinguished papers effectively in plain sight of the world and get away with it. Trust me, the world's worst people are listening.

 

[apdst]

Ah-huh...Nice try. Nobody has unlimited power including the President. So how is your response relevant to anything?

You're the one erroneously claiming that Congress has oversight authority over the president. I'm pointing out that you're wrong.

Here's Article 1, use it to prove me wrong.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei

 

[apdst]

It is now official: Treat Trump right and you can murder and brutally butcher an American resident and journalist for one of our most distinguished papers effectively in plain sight of the world and get away with it. Trust me, the world's worst people are listening.

What is England doing about it?

 

[poweRob]

Congress doesn't have oversight authority over the president. Speaking of people pulling things out of their butts.

Makes as much sense as someone claiming people get drunk off of a vanilla milkshake or something.

 

[apdst]

Makes as much sense as someone claiming people get drunk off of a vanilla milkshake or something.

What's idiotic is the years old lie that I said someone could get drunk off a vanilla milkshake.

 

[calamity]

Irrelevant. Congress doesn't have the power to order it.

Watch Trump order an investigation

 

[poweRob]

What's idiotic is the years old lie that I said someone could get drunk off a vanilla milkshake.

I'm pretty I read it on my wifi when the interwebz was down.

 

[apdst]

I'm pretty I read it on my wifi when the interwebz was down.

Another lie.

 

[Bum]

Congress orders Trump to investigate Saudi prince's role in Khashoggi murder

Good.

 

[jnug]

You're the one erroneously claiming that Congress has oversight authority over the president. I'm pointing out that you're wrong.

Here's Article 1, use it to prove me wrong.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei

All of Section 8 as follows:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.



U.S. Constitution
Although the U.S. Constitution grants no formal, express authority to oversee or investigate the executive or program administration, oversight is implied in Congress’s array of enumerated powers.[8] The legislature is authorized to appropriate funds; raise and support armies; provide for and maintain a navy; declare war; provide for organizing and calling forth the national guard; regulate interstate and foreign commerce; establish post offices and post roads; advise and consent on treaties and presidential nominations (Senate); and impeach (House) and try (Senate) the President, Vice President, and civil officers for treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. Reinforcing these powers is Congress’s broad authority “to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof”.

The authority to oversee derives from these constitutional powers. Congress could not carry them out reasonably or responsibly without knowing what the executive is doing; how programs are being administered, by whom, and at what cost; and whether officials are obeying the law and complying with legislative intent. The Supreme Court has legitimated Congress’s investigative power, subject to constitutional safeguards for civil liberties. In 1927, the Court found that, in investigating the administration of the Department of Justice, Congress was considering a subject “on which legislation could be had or would be materially aided by the information which the investigation was calculated to elicit”.

Learn to read. It will do wonders for your DP inputs.

The Congress has appropriations and authorization controls over the Executive. They cannot execute them without knowing what the Executive is doing. The Executive includes the President.

 

[jnug]

I am personally stunned by the lack of understanding for the US Government expressed in the posts of many Trumpets. The only logical conclusion I can come to is that they reject the US Constitution and everything it stands for and at least since Donald have become Royalists entirely dedicated to the notion of King Donald utterly convinced of the righteousness of their cause, raising President Donald to the status of King Donald.

IMO these folks do not know what the Constitution means, do not read it, do not have any critical thinking skills, do not know their American History or World History for that matter. They literally have no idea how their own government is designed and are forever coming up with simplistic, juvenile misinterpretations. They are utterly committed to the notion of a King Donald. They project onto the government we have the government that we would have if we had a King Donald.

Were they not utterly ignorant of World History (much as Donald is ignorant of history) they would give up their Royalist notions of King Donald in a NY minute. There are no aspirations that derives from Royalty. There is no justice that derives from Royalty. There is no justice for anybody. You live by the leave of the King. If the King is in a bad mood today and you fall under his sights....good luck to you! Nobody is spared. You would have to be bombastically ignorant or stupid to think anybody would be spared his wrath at some point. Then again......I stopped being amazed at the ignorance of Trumpets.

 

[holbritter]

It is now official: Treat Trump right and you can murder and brutally butcher an American resident and journalist for one of our most distinguished papers effectively in plain sight of the world and get away with it. Trust me, the world's worst people are listening.

It really is amusing that people think this is something new with Trump being president. Or something that hasn't been done before by other country's leaders as well. The details are different, the meaning and results are the same. Were you as outraged at all the atrocities the Saudis have gotten away with over the years....with other Presidents and world leaders doing nothing?

 

[MrShangles]

Explain again how this guys death is an American problem? Let that country do it’s thing.


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[apdst]

All of Section 8 as follows:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.



U.S. Constitution
Although the U.S. Constitution grants no formal, express authority to oversee or investigate the executive or program administration, oversight is implied in Congress’s array of enumerated powers.[8] The legislature is authorized to appropriate funds; raise and support armies; provide for and maintain a navy; declare war; provide for organizing and calling forth the national guard; regulate interstate and foreign commerce; establish post offices and post roads; advise and consent on treaties and presidential nominations (Senate); and impeach (House) and try (Senate) the President, Vice President, and civil officers for treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. Reinforcing these powers is Congress’s broad authority “to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof”.

The authority to oversee derives from these constitutional powers. Congress could not carry them out reasonably or responsibly without knowing what the executive is doing; how programs are being administered, by whom, and at what cost; and whether officials are obeying the law and complying with legislative intent. The Supreme Court has legitimated Congress’s investigative power, subject to constitutional safeguards for civil liberties. In 1927, the Court found that, in investigating the administration of the Department of Justice, Congress was considering a subject “on which legislation could be had or would be materially aided by the information which the investigation was calculated to elicit”.

Learn to read. It will do wonders for your DP inputs.

The Congress has appropriations and authorization controls over the Executive. They cannot execute them without knowing what the Executive is doing. The Executive includes the President.

There's nothing in Article 2 that gives Congress more authority than the president. Thank you for confirming that.

 

[jnug]

There's nothing in Article 2 that gives Congress more authority than the president. Thank you for confirming that.

Which was not even in question. The question YOU posed in your assertion that the Congress does not have Oversight responsibilities and I quote from YOU:
"Congress doesn't have oversight authority over the president."

Congress does have Oversight authorities and obligations over the Executive which the President is a part of. Its implicit. In fact its obviously implicit. It is as implicit as giving somebody the responsibility to shovel the snow off your driveway without benefit of a shovel to do the job. It is that simple, that pedestrian, requires no more critical thinking skills than that. Yet the most simplistic of concepts seem to escape Trumpets completely. Could it be that their emotional dedication to the idea of a King Donald simply short circuits any actual functioning brain cells? But of course there is no end to Trumpets ability to show us they have no critical thinking skills,,,zippo, zero, nada!

Your assertion is a laughably ignorant of the US Government as the next from another poster:
Exactly.
Congress can make all the laws they want.
But no laws apply to Presidents.
It's not illegal if the President does it.

Just to repeat the obvious, Trump's followers are frothing for Royalty, a King Donald. They project onto this government the profile of the government we would have if we did have a King Donald. It is so obvious. Why don't just give it up and admit it. Admitting your failings is the first step toward recovery.

We will never have a Royal Presidency in this country, no matter how much Trumpets ejaculate over the possibility. That dream died about two weeks ago.

Now that we have dispensed with that, we can look at a whole host of Trumpet posts in a new light. Might actually clean up some of riffraff in here.