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Confederate History~Dispelling the Myths

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It is about heritage. Yes mistakes were made but if we erase history how can we learn from those mistakes. And yes some racist groups wrap themselfs in the flag but for many southerners it's about heritage. Their great grandfather's fought and died for many reasons. Before you judge please read the following link.
http://rulen.com/myths/
 
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It is about heritage. Yes mistakes were made but if we erase history how can we learn from those mistakes. And yes some racist groups wrap themselfs in the flag but for many southerners it's about heritage. Their great grandfather's fought and died for many reasons. Before you judge please read the following link.
Confederate History - Dispelling The Myths

Since there are no footnotes, it's hard to determine the accuracy of those statements, but we don't really need that to understand what is happening today.

For years, liberals have been denigrating the South and its inhabitants. What they're doing now is an attempt to squash and hide the history of the region by forcing the people to behave in a certain manner - and to admit that they are descended from a bunch of evil racists.

As stated on another thread - this is purely a fascist ploy. The height of intolerance of those they don't like.

The only result will be to fan the flames of a race war.
 
Since there are no footnotes, it's hard to determine the accuracy of those statements...

You could have stopped right there. It would take time to verify all those statements.
 
Since there are no footnotes, it's hard to determine the accuracy of those statements, but we don't really need that to understand what is happening today.

For years, liberals have been denigrating the South and its inhabitants. What they're doing now is an attempt to squash and hide the history of the region by forcing the people to behave in a certain manner - and to admit that they are descended from a bunch of evil racists.

As stated on another thread - this is purely a fascist ploy. The height of intolerance of those they don't like.

The only result will be to fan the flames of a race war.

There is very little accuracy in a lot of those statements. Those statements are mostly small tid bits of fact blown up and presented in the best possible light. They are purposefully misleading.
 
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today.

FACT - The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.
this tells us your cite is without value
as we can see from the current news, the confederate battle flag DOES represent racism today
 
Originally Posted by HowardBThiname
Since there are no footnotes, it's hard to determine the accuracy of those statements...

You could have stopped right there. It would take time to verify all those statements.

No one is saying, OK - no reasonable people are saying "erase the heritage", but that is why we have museums to preserve and explain our heritage. A flag flying over a state capitol explains nothing.

It is quite easy to "determine the accuracy . . . ". There's this thing called the internet which allows one to read all manner of websites providing 'information'. I always find it rather interesting, how often ideologues quote each other, often without giving credit to the originator.

Examples of myths - more properly LIES used to promote the pro-Confederacy beliefs:
MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery.

FACT - Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.
This one is easy, all you have to do is read the documents of secession from the various states, several of which are quite explicit in stating that secession was necessary to protect slavery.

MYTH - Only Southerners owned slaves.

FACT - Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War Of Northern Aggression.

Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.

U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier, Grant stated "Good help is so hard to come by these days."

Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!

Lastly, and most importantly, why did NORTHERN States outlaw slavery only AFTER the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH! NOT in the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901!

A few more minutes required to debunk this bunch of nonsense but it can be done.

There are no records showing that Gen'l Sherman owned slaves at any time.

The only record as to Gen'l Grant owning slaves is a document showing he freed a slave in 1857. Just like Gen'l Lee, Grant's wife "inherited" a couple of slaves, so if that is an excuse for Lee it must be seen as one for Grant.

First: Yes it is true that Northerners owned slaves but most northern states abolished slavery before 1861, Vermont forbade slavery in its state constitution of 1777. State constitution in Massachusetts abolished slavery in 1780. Bills passed in 1784 and 1797 abolished slavery in Connecticut, though the census of 1850 found there were approximately 50 slaves remaining in the state. Ohio did so in 1802. Ohio did so in 1802. 1804: New Jersey begins a gradual abolition of slavery. 1807: While it was still called the Northwest Territory, the region which became Michigan, was declared a slave-free zone. Also in 1807 the Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves was passed by Congress. 1817: New York passed a law ordering all slaves to be freed by 1827. 1820: The Missouri Compromise prohibited slavery in the former Louisiana Territory north of the parallel 36°30′ north, except within the boundaries of the proposed state of Missouri.
 
this tells us your cite is without value
as we can see from the current news, the confederate battle flag DOES represent racism today

The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today about as much as a leather motorcycle jacket represents murderous biker gangs. It is no different than the gun control battle. Some with no answers lash out at symbols and inanimate objects because they can't lash out at individuals. Flags don't make people racists or mass murderers - guns don't make people racists or mass murderers - motorcycle jackets don't make people racists or mass murderers. It is unquestionable, however, that racists and mass murderers may use the Confederate Battle Flag, guns and leather motorcycle jackets in the commission of their crimes. It is also unquestionable, however, that without the Confederate Battle Flag, without guns, and without leather motorcycle jackets, there will continue to be racists and mass murderers. But if they can succeed in limiting or destroying symbols, the politically correct will smuggly sleep well believing they've made a difference when they've done nothing at all.
 
I stopped at the first myth:

MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery.

FACT - Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion

This is a lie. The war was fought over slavery. Period. Your link isn't dispelling myths; it's perpetuating them. Even further your own statement that "mistakes were made" is ****ing disgusting. Why can't people admit the TRUTH about what happened over a century ago. Jesus Christ, we can't even admit that people ****ed up in the 19th century?
 
I stopped at the first myth:



This is a lie. The war was fought over slavery. Period. Your link isn't dispelling myths; it's perpetuating them. Even further your own statement that "mistakes were made" is ****ing disgusting. Why can't people admit the TRUTH about what happened over a century ago. Jesus Christ, we can't even admit that people ****ed up in the 19th century?




If only 6% of the population in the south owned slaves, could the war have actually been fought over primarily to support slavery?
 
It is about heritage. Yes mistakes were made but if we erase history how can we learn from those mistakes. And yes some racist groups wrap themselfs in the flag but for many southerners it's about heritage. Their great grandfather's fought and died for many reasons. Before you judge please read the following link.
Confederate History - Dispelling The Myths

So the flag should go in a museum and be a part of history.
 
There is very little accuracy in a lot of those statements. Those statements are mostly small tid bits of fact blown up and presented in the best possible light. They are purposefully misleading.

I thought as much from scanning them, but it doesn't take away the fact that we've got some heavy-handed fascism rearing its ugly head among those who identify as liberals.
 
I stopped at the first myth:



This is a lie. The war was fought over slavery. Period. Your link isn't dispelling myths; it's perpetuating them. Even further your own statement that "mistakes were made" is ****ing disgusting. Why can't people admit the TRUTH about what happened over a century ago. Jesus Christ, we can't even admit that people ****ed up in the 19th century?

It was mainly over whether or not the southern states had the right to nullify laws, such as slavery.

For the south, at the time, they saw it as the northern union overextending the constitutional powers. For instance, if Texas says we as a state would like to limit immigration to 1000 a year, then Washington passes a law saying that all states had to allow 10000 immigrants a year, back in 1840s Texas could legally nullify the law. Slavery was an issue of the civil war, but it was mainly an issue of states rights. The southern states saying they have a right to nullify federal laws, pertaining to slavery. When the south secedded from the union, it was constitutional. When the union came in and attacked the south, the southerners saw it as an invasion.

That's why the confederate flag is honorable to southerners, because they litterally saw it as the second American war for independence.

Racism intwined to it is a historical misconception and based on years of historical inaccuracy painted by people in favor of centralized power, this statement is proven by the fact that there were BLACK SLAVE OWNERS GIVING MONEY AND SUPPORT TO CONFEDERATE TROOPS!
 
So the flag should go in a museum and be a part of history.

What about the fact that democrats started the kkk? Should democrats be part of history too???
 
"When the union came in and attacked the south, the southerners saw it as an invasion." Yeah, yeah - and that's why friends in Charleston used to call it The War of Northern Aggression. The first shots fired were by Confederate troops attacking US military bases in the South, you know, like that place called Fort Sumter.


BLACK SLAVE OWNERS GIVING MONEY AND SUPPORT TO CONFEDERATE TROOPS! Prove it!
 
What about the fact that democrats started the kkk? Should democrats be part of history too???

I do believe the Democratic Party has lots of pages in our history books. If some Democrats started the KKK back in the 19th C. during Reconstruction, what does that have to do with the modern Democratic Party? The modern GOP, the "party of Lincoln" is the one supporting, promoting and instituting legislation which most adversely affects African Americans.

Those who deny history shall never advance.
 
What about the fact that democrats started the kkk? Should democrats be part of history too???

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Again, another one blaming Democrats for the KKK. Have you even read a history book? Ever? You should freshen up, or just admit that you'd rather fan the flames than actually know what you are talking about.
 
"When the union came in and attacked the south, the southerners saw it as an invasion." Yeah, yeah - and that's why friends in Charleston used to call it The War of Northern Aggression. The first shots fired were by Confederate troops attacking US military bases in the South, you know, like that place called Fort Sumter.

BLACK SLAVE OWNERS GIVING MONEY AND SUPPORT TO CONFEDERATE TROOPS! Prove it!

But it's so much easier to ignore actual facts. :roll:
 
I think it's comical how the website in the OP is used to promote facts, when it's nothing more than a website (and a poorly made one at that) promoting the Confederacy and it's traitorous flag.
 
The Confederate Battleflag was rarely seen after the Civil War, popping up mostly at memorial ceremonies. It wasn't embraced by the southern populace again until the push for desegregation. Racism is the reason the flag made its comeback, regardless of what you think of the CivilWar. So the claim that it is about heritage and not hate REALLY rings hollow.

SC started flying the flag in 1961. Gee, I wonder what was going on around that time.
 
Oh, and using the phrase "mistakes were made" in regards to slavery is absurd. We can learn from the atrocities of slavery and the Holocaust without flying the Battleflag and Swastika over government buildings.
 
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