HorseLoverGirl
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My "people" were Irish (and German) catholics so I learned pretty earlier how it went for the first ones to come over. IOW, people your granddaddy would likely have spit on.
Blacks and whites are all sorts of friendly to each other in the South... just not always. Her grandaddy's interactions with that man may very well have been sincere.
I speak about possibilities and you and HG can debate yourselves. I just found your comment that witness testimony was referred to as "folklore" funny, but not in a productive way. That's all.
Well yeah, that is when it was invented but that knowledge and technology had to be transferred around the world, learned, implemented and used. The tribes of New Guinea still use rock tools to harvest their koru (sp?) tree diet and they have no writing at all. 100% illiterate. This is today.
I didn't refer to eyewitness testimony as foklore. Now you must be the confused one. I'd say eyewitness testimony is what we know it is: all in the eyes of the beholder. It's well known that it's one of the least reliable sources of evidence in criminal trials. There are several hundred now free men in this country (see "Innocence Project") who were convicted of violent crimes on eyewitness testimony who later were cleared by DNA evidence showing that someone else had to have committed that crime.
I didn't refer to eyewitness testimony as foklore. Now you must be the confused one. I'd say eyewitness testimony is what we know it is: all in the eyes of the beholder. It's well known that it's one of the least reliable sources of evidence in criminal trials. There are several hundred now free men in this country (see "Innocence Project") who were convicted of violent crimes on eyewitness testimony who later were cleared by DNA evidence showing that someone else had to have committed that crime.
Should the Confederate Flag be removed/abolished?
I say no. The argument is that it represents racism and slavery. That is stupid. So does the American Flag.
The USA Flag is about 50/50.
Won: Am. Revolution, WWI, WWII, Persian Gul War
Lost: Vietnam, Korea and the War of 1812
Spanish American War was next to nothing and I left out Iraq and Afghanistan because there is no winner or loser other than the people living there.
If some of the things you've been saying about the civil war came from those veterans ..then it is highly likely they did, yes.Folk lore? Hmmmm are you saying those veterans lied to my granddaddy and his Benedictine company? Somehow I doubt it.
Folk lore? Hmmmm are you saying those veterans lied to my granddaddy and his Benedictine company? Somehow I doubt it.
It's probably best not to assume and bullying her into a response is probably not a good idea, either. Rebels don't like to be told what to do, doncha know? Ya gotta let em save face or they will never see your point.I've asked her a couple of times now if she feels whites (i.e., people of northern and central European descent) are superior to all others and she's aggressively avoided responding to that question, which is an answer really, isn't it?
So.... how is the U.S. Flag Above U.S. Burial Grounds helping the U.S. Move on?
I can do this all day.
Fact is... nobody has any business removing a Confederate Flag from a Confederate memorial or burial site.
State Capitol? Sure, But as I recall they did that years ago.
The point of a flag being over a war burial ground or memorial ground isn't to help people move on.
England and France, from the way the stories go, were planning to intervene and help the South. Of course that is not something they're gonna talk about now. However it did not happen that way. I often wonder if it had would the South had won after all? Makes you wonder
It's probably best not to assume and bullying her into a response is probably not a good idea, either. Rebels don't like to be told what to do, doncha know? Ya gotta let em save face or they will never see your point.
I guess you don't understand that hindsight is 20/20.
The Irish who moved here after they were starved out of Ireland and came to the NYC area were treated like ****. I'm descended through my mother from those people. They were banned from stores, jobs, schools, even parks and city streets. I did a lot of research with my sister and my cousin and we were pretty shocked by what we learned about our great grandparents and back. For some odd reason it isn't chic to talk about how mistreated the Irish were in the north.
Start with reading The South was Right. A lot of things I have actually found out that have been left out of the history books you'll have to go to heaven to find out, since my granddaddy, who taught me more than I could ever learn in any book, has been gone from this earth for 9 1/2 years now. He got his information from the veterans who lived in the Old Soldier's Home in Richmond VA, while a student at Benedictine College (now Benedictine College Prepatory) in Richmond in the 1920's.
Should the Confederate Flag be removed/abolished?
I say no. The argument is that it represents racism and slavery. That is stupid. So does the American Flag.
Nope. Not at all. They made up a large part of forced soldiers. Hell...the scene in gangs of New York was completely inaccurate with them getting off the boat and being given a gun.
Conscripted soldiers made up a relatively tiny proportion of the Union military. It was primarily utilized as a mechanism for encouraging enlistment, something it was much more successful at.
Oh. My bad. I jumped to conclusions. :lol: Sorry... I do that but it is also part of my charm. Being a moron.
Conscripted soldiers made up a relatively tiny proportion of the Union military. It was primarily utilized as a mechanism for encouraging enlistment, something it was much more successful at.
If some of the things you've been saying about the civil war came from those veterans ..then it is highly likely they did, yes.
".....The Lost Cause is an interpretation of the American Civil War (1861–1865) that seeks to present the war, from the perspective of Confederates, in the best possible terms.
Developed by white Southerners, many of them former Confederate generals, in a postwar climate of economic, racial, and gender uncertainty, the Lost Cause created and romanticized the "Old South" and the Confederate war effort, often distorting history in the process. For this reason, many historians have labeled the Lost Cause a myth or a legend.
It is certainly an important example of public memory, one in which nostalgia for the Confederate past is accompanied by a collective forgetting of the horrors of slavery. Providing a sense of relief to white Southerners who feared being dishonored by defeat, the Lost Cause was largely accepted in the years following the war by white Americans who found it to be a useful tool in reconciling North and South.
The Lost Cause has lost much of its academic support but continues to be an important part of how the Civil War is commemorated in the South and remembered in American popular culture..
Lost Cause, The
More common was the practice of military able northerners paying for their more pecunious fellow citizens to do their service for them.
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