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The hard data tells the tale
It also confirms that the midterms were indeed a Blue Wave
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No No No, don't you get it, both sides do it
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No No No, don't you get it, both sides do it
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The hard data tells the tale
It also confirms that the midterms were indeed a Blue Wave
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Dems did what, one or two Districts in Massachusetts?
The hard data tells the tale
It also confirms that the midterms were indeed a Blue Wave
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Democrats have gerrymandered themselves by choosing to live in areas where only other democrats are. It’s called self-sorting and its a much bigger problem than any partisan drawn lines
Nowhere has this tension been more dramatic than in North Carolina. The state made headlines last March when its GOP-dominated general assembly abruptly overturned a Charlotte ordinance banning discrimination against LGBT people (and stating, among other things, that transgender people could use the bathroom of their choice). Legislators didn’t just reverse Charlotte’s ordinance, though; the state law, HB2, also barred every city in the state from passing nondiscrimination regulations, and banned local minimum-wage laws, too.
North Carolina’s legislature wasn’t new to preemption—previously, it had banned sanctuary cities, prohibited towns from destroying guns confiscated by the police, and blocked local fracking regulations. It had restructured the Greensboro city council so as to dilute Democratic clout. In Wake County, home to Raleigh, it had redrawn the districts for both the school board and county commission, shifting power from urban to suburban voters. The state had seized Asheville’s airport and tried to seize its water system too. Lawmakers had also passed a bill wresting control of Charlotte’s airport from the city and handing it to a new commission.
Within two months of HB2’s passage, Charlotte’s Chamber of Commerce estimated that the city had lost nearly $285 million and 1,300 jobs—and that was before the NBA yanked its 2017 All-Star Game from the city. Asheville, a bohemian tourist magnet in the Blue Ridge Mountains, lost millions from canceled conferences alone.
Democrats have gerrymandered themselves by choosing to live in areas where only other democrats are. It’s called self-sorting and its a much bigger problem than any partisan drawn lines
They gerrymandered themselves? That's like blaming the victim. I will cite an excerpt from an article The Atlantic published which can be found here.
And the result of Democrats "gerrymandering themselves" was?
There are distinctions one could make between cities being unable to self govern and gerrymandering, but they are two branches of the same tree. You say that Democrats live where other Democrats live - and nothing about the fact that Republicans are doing the exact same thing, but control more counties as a result of what you refer to as self sorting. I'm lost as to why you believe we can't have fairly drawn districts because of this. But don't argue with me, argue with a panel of North Carolina judges who said a 2016 congressional redistricting plan was made with the express purpose to "ensure Republican candidates would prevail in the vast majority of the State's congressional districts." 2.2 million residents of NC voted for Trump. 2.4 million voted for Clinton. But Republicans control 10 house seats and Democrats control 2. If gerrymandering isn't the problem, why are they illegally redrawing districts.
Apparently someone here doesn’t understand how congressional districting works.
Amazing to think that even with the number of gerrymandered districts swung over to a favorable situation for GOP candidates they STILL felt compelled to revert to outfight voter fraud in some districts.
Where is this proof you speak of? All I see is a picture of a chart on a screen that shows nothing but a few points in recent election. Maybe if it had dates, data, or information of any kind it could be stretched to vague evidence.
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Not really. Sometimes one party wins all the close ones. There is no doubt the Democrats gerrymandered the heck out of Illinois and New York, the Republicans in Texas and North Carolina. Both sides hollered up a storm over the other sides gerrymandering. We're 8 years past the point of gerrymandering. Lots of people moved, lots of new voters were added to the rolls, bunch have died. The impact of gerrymandering lessens in each successive election.
A prime example is my CD-6 which for 2012 had a PVI of R+20. in 2018 it was R+1 and a Democrat won the district for the first time in 20 years. migration, people leaving the CD, lots of folks from Atlanta moving in, the gerrymandering of 2010 was no more. Like it never happened.
The chart proves massive gerrymandering by repubs. If dems garner way more votes and wind up with a lot fewer seats, the only reason is gerrymandering on a national scale that far exceeds whatever you are asserting dems have done.
IF the charge was marginal, it wouldn't prove anothing, but marginal it is not.
The point of the chart is not a state analysis, it's a NATIONWIDE analysis.
Well you can be ignorant or you can recognize reality
The Self-Segregation of Democrats - Pacific Standard
Ending Gerrymandering Won?t Fix What Ails America | FiveThirtyEight
Americans sorting themselves along party lines, says Cook Political Report - Washington Times
Politics & Elections: Dems are Sorting Themselves into Cities - Daily Yonder
In 1996, there were 1,111 counties (about 35 percent of the total)5 where the margin in the presidential vote was within 10 percentage points of the nationwide margin. By 2016, that number had plummeted to just 310 (about 10 percent).
Of course, if your goal in redistricting is to prioritize drawing competitive districts, you can improve on the current situation. When we redrew every state map in the country specifically to prioritize competitive districts, we managed to get 242 districts with a partisan lean of less than 10 points toward either party.