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[cherokee]

I was just wondering if someone could show me a Communist government. (model) that’s not corrupt from the top down?

 

[LeftyHenry]

Is this real?

What like a party platform of some sort? Or are you trying to shove in our that all of the so called 'communist nations' (oxymoron),(which I don't support) are corrupt?

 

[jfuh]

Is there a government anywhere in the world communist, socialist, capitalist that is not corrupt?

 

[Auftrag]

I was under the impression that actual communism was governmentless...?

 

[cherokee]

Is this real?

What like a party platform of some sort? Or are you trying to shove in our that all of the so called 'communist nations' (oxymoron),(which I don't support) are corrupt?

Yes its real.
no bs, no kidding around.

Any model that’s not corrupt from the top down?

 

[Auftrag]

Yes its real.
no bs, no kidding around.

Any model that’s not corrupt from the top down?

Communism has never existed anywhere in the world.

 

[LeftyHenry]

Communism has never existed anywhere in the world.

that's true so since it hasn't exisited I can't really give you an example or whatever you want but I can give you a party plaform, Cherokee.

Here's a link to one communist organizations platform. I don't agree with alot of stuff but if you want to take a look...

http://www.communistleague.org/page.php?7

 

[cherokee]

that's true so since it hasn't exisited I can't really give you an example or whatever you want but I can give you a party plaform, Cherokee.

Here's a link to one communist organizations platform. I don't agree with alot of stuff but if you want to take a look...

http://www.communistleague.org/page.php?7

Yeah I dont agree with really any of it......

 

[LeftyHenry]

http://www.redstar2000papers.com/th...&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&

try another and actually read this one. This one is less formal and is a very, very basic outline.

 

[Joby]

Can you tell me that Cuba is corrupt? If yes, then how so?

 

[Kelzie]

Can you tell me that Cuba is corrupt? If yes, then how so?

Yes, I can.

Bogus invoices, fabricated expense reports, and outright embezzlement are some of the irregularities the National Organization of Auditors found at all administrative levels of the government, according to its recent report.

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Several senior officials in the largest state-run tourism organisation in Cuba Cubanacan have been placed under house arrest on suspicion of corruption.

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Fidel Castro did not bring corruption to Cuba; he merely institutionalized it. Official corruption has crippled Cuba since the colonial period, but Castro's state-run monopolies, cronyism, and lack of accountability have made Cuba one of the world's most corrupt states.

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There's more of course. All countries are corrupt, it's just a question of how much. Compared to the rest of Latin America, Cuba has a relatively low level. Then again, that's not saying much.

 

[LeftyHenry]

This brings up an interesting topic. What do you think would be the world's least corrupt country?

I'd say either Switzerland or the Scandanavian block.

 

[Kelzie]

This brings up an interesting topic. What do you think would be the world's least corrupt country?

I'd say either Switzerland or the Scandanavian block.

I suck at guessing games, so here's the stats: :mrgreen:

Country rank Country 2005 CPI Score

1. Iceland 9.7
2. Finland 9.6
New Zealand 9.6
4. Denmark 9.5
5. Singapore 9.4
6. Sweden 9.2
7. Switzerland 9.1
8. Norway 8.9
9. Australia 8.8
10. Austria 8.7
11. Netherlands 8.6
United Kingdom 8.6
13. Luxembourg 8.5
14. Canada 8.4
15. Hong Kong 8.3
16. Germany 8.2
17. United States 7.6
18. France 7.5
19. Belgium 7.4
Ireland 7.4

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[Joby]

My point with Cuba is that yes, it is much less corrupt than its "free" neighbors. It's not much more, if at all more corrupt than the US.

Scandanavia is probably the least corrupt area.

 

[LeftyHenry]

I suck at guessing games, so here's the stats: :mrgreen:

Country rank Country 2005 CPI Score

1. Iceland 9.7
2. Finland 9.6
New Zealand 9.6
4. Denmark 9.5
5. Singapore 9.4
6. Sweden 9.2
7. Switzerland 9.1
8. Norway 8.9
9. Australia 8.8
10. Austria 8.7
11. Netherlands 8.6
United Kingdom 8.6
13. Luxembourg 8.5
14. Canada 8.4
15. Hong Kong 8.3
16. Germany 8.2
17. United States 7.6
18. France 7.5
19. Belgium 7.4
Ireland 7.4

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hmm.. interesting. I was pretty close too. Is this per Capita? or what?

 

[Kelzie]

My point with Cuba is that yes, it is much less corrupt than its "free" neighbors. It's not much more, if at all more corrupt than the US.

Scandanavia is probably the least corrupt area.

Well...your point is kinda wrong. As per the ranking I just supplied, Cuba's #59 with a score of 3.8. Anything below 5 is considered a serious problem with corruption. The US is #17 with a score of 7.6. That's a big difference. The other Latin American countries are:

21. Chile 7.3
24. Barbados 6.9
32. Uruguay 5.9
51. Costa Rica 4.2
51. El Salvador 4.2
59. Cuba 3.8
59. Trinidad and Tobago 3.8
62. Belize 3.7
62. Brazil 3.7
64. Jamaica 3.6
65. Mexico 3.5
65. Panama 3.5
65. Peru 3.5
107. Honduras 2.6
117. Bolivia 2.5
117. Ecuador 2.5
117. Guatemala 2.5
117. Guyana 2.5
130. Venezuela 2.3
144. Paraguay 2.1
155. Haiti 1.8


Cuba's nothing special.

 

[Kelzie]

hmm.. interesting. I was pretty close too. Is this per Capita? or what?

The methodology is on the site.

 

[Joby]

Hmmm, A western european ranking that puts all western european nations at the top, or countries run by western european descendents.

That's like asking George Steinbrenner what the best run team in baseball is.

 

[massive_attack]

The methodology is on the site.

From their site for the 2005 report
There are three data blocks :

2005 CPI score*

Confidence range**

Surveys used***

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Here is what these terms mean :

* CPI Score relates to perceptions of the degree of corruption as seen by business people and country analysts and ranges between 10 (highly clean) and 0 (highly corrupt).

**Confidence range provides a range of possible values of the CPI score. This reflects how a country's score may vary, depending on measurement precision. Nominally, with 5 percent probability the score is above this range and with another 5 percent it is below. However, particularly when only few sources are available an unbiased estimate of the mean coverage probability is lower than the nominal value of 90%.

***Surveys used refers to the number of surveys that assessed a country's performance. 16 surveys and expert assessments were used and at least 3 were required for a country to be included in the CPI.

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Only for the surveys do they give any actual numbers.

Personally I'd like to know a few things, maybe they answer this on the site but I didn't see it :

-how many "business people" and "country analyst" did you interview?
-how many of these support the government at large?

Long story short ; there is a lot of data missing from this study.

I just really get the feel I`m missing the "meat and potatoes" I need to make an informed choice.

 

[Kelzie]

Hmmm, A western european ranking that puts all western european nations at the top, or countries run by western european descendents.

That's like asking George Steinbrenner what the best run team in baseball is.

Chile's on the top. So would that be Western or run by a western descendent? Hint for you: neither.

 

[Kelzie]

From their site for the 2005 report
There are three data blocks :


Here is what these terms mean :



Only for the surveys do they give any actual numbers.

Personally I'd like to know a few things, maybe they answer this on the site but I didn't see it :

-how many "business people" and "country analyst" did you interview?
-how many of these support the government at large?

Long story short ; there is a lot of data missing from this study.

I just really get the feel I`m missing the "meat and potatoes" I need to make an informed choice.

Man I don't know. There's tons of corruption studies out there, go find another one.

 

[drobforever]

From my limited knowledge, a theoretical argument on why communist goverments are usually more corrupted would be like this:

A communist government controls most of the properties within the country and 'shares' those properties with individuals. There is no specific rule on how to share them except trying to be 'fair'. Individuals being selfish would try to influence how big a share they can get themselves. The easiest way would be to pay the officials who are in charge of the properties. That leads to corruption.

A non-communist goverment leaves properties for private individuals to own. If an individual wants to get more properties he/she would have to buy them from people who own them. That leads to market transactions instead of corruption.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Joby.... You have been owned and Cuba is very corrupt. Don't make kelzie bring the smackdown on you LMAO


Sorry

 

[Joby]

First off, you're right that the leftist government of Chile is the least corrupt of Latin American countries. I hope the new president brings the nation into league with the other leftists in the area.

Joby.... You have been owned and Cuba is very corrupt. Don't make kelzie bring the smackdown on you LMAO

Thank's for letting me respond.

To judge the nation of Cuba with, say, the US, you have to look at all aspects of the US state, public and private.

Nobodys denying the fact that there are several corrupt officials in Cuba. But to be fair, you must add the Enron, Worldcom, TYCO, and all other scandals to the US score. The Cuban government runs all Cuban industry, and is therefore respionsible for all levels. And, they are responsible if a scandal occurs and the workers need new jobs. This is unlike the US, were 10,000 college degrees flood the market after each scandal.

The US should be judged for each uninsured worker, each hungry homeless person, and each raising of congress's pay. That's the only way to measure progress in the US compared to Cuba.

 

[Kelzie]

First off, you're right that the leftist government of Chile is the least corrupt of Latin American countries. I hope the new president brings the nation into league with the other leftists in the area.



Thank's for letting me respond.

To judge the nation of Cuba with, say, the US, you have to look at all aspects of the US state, public and private.

Nobodys denying the fact that there are several corrupt officials in Cuba. But to be fair, you must add the Enron, Worldcom, TYCO, and all other scandals to the US score. The Cuban government runs all Cuban industry, and is therefore respionsible for all levels. And, they are responsible if a scandal occurs and the workers need new jobs. This is unlike the US, were 10,000 college degrees flood the market after each scandal.

The US should be judged for each uninsured worker, each hungry homeless person, and each raising of congress's pay. That's the only way to measure progress in the US compared to Cuba.

If they want to take control of their economic sector, that's there own damn problem. The US government is in no way responsible for the actions of private companies. Furthermore, "uninsured worker, each hungry homeless person, and each raising of congress's pay" has nothing to do with corruption.