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College Campus Concealed Carry

Politicaladdict said:
A bias story.....where did you get that from.....
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Story analysis. I got my degree in History. Gotta read a lot of news stories in that subject. You get to understand how they work after that. The language chosen, region, and such. Not to mention he writes from New York. We aren't talking "left or right" bias. We are talking lack of knowledge of the subject. Not premeditated story slanting. He is putting his little twist on it out of ignorance.

and the cops were looking for underage college drinkers.....that area is full of college campuses and college housing....and they have been having a lot of trouble with parties and fights with weapons in the area...
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That is the same as ANY college campus man. Right off campus usually has a high crime rate. But were they looking for underage college drinkers? Or weapons related crime? The 2 aren't equivalents. Or were they just doing regular police work and stumbled on this stuff? That is more what this seems like. They are trying to stop college drinking and stumble on a kid with a bunch of guns. You tell me if you live there: are students often getting ripped off/assaulted/victimized right off campus? Or on campus?

they found guns so what are they supposed to do just say have a nice day and have him move along?
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Depends. Was he legal to have his firearms? Just because he keeps his guns in his car doesn't make him a criminal. I know plenty of people who do that. I know people who keep a shotgun or 2 locked up inside their truck because they can't carry them into the places they work, and they don't want to leave them at home when they go. Plenty of people do that. So if he was legal (aka not on campus) and within his rights to have his firearms...YES. They should let him go. Not have a panic attack, arrest him, and call a bomb squad.

Flip side. If he was drunk and disorderly, or in violations of weapons laws/restrictions (no matter how liberal, backwards, and draconian California laws are) they should arrest him. I am one to question police ethics. I understand their job is tough. They don't deal with reasonable people. They deal with the dregs pretty much all the time. I get it. I know many cops. I am more understanding than most, and I don't go out of my way to make their day worse by trying to bait them and take them away from their real jobs by hastling them. But violations of Constitutional rights is not something they can get away with. They should always be called on that. You don't want to give the judicial system any more garbage "precedent" than it already has. I will say I suspect that he was in violation of some law. My question is: was it some obscure draconian gun law that Cali has on the books?

stupid would be carrying one gun but not all those guns...one gun not suspicious
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No. One gun means he could have just owned 1 gun and had it with him. Innocent until proven guilty man. I keep 3 guns in my truck quite often. But quite often I keep a single firearm on me. That doesn't make me stupid. I even did it litterally across the street from a major University on MANY occasions. Actually quite often I had a gun LESS than across the street (I was driving by) and had 1 gun. Doesn't make me stupid. What would be stupid would be if I wasn't legal to have the gun.

I also wouldn't be suspicious of multiple firearms. It would depend on the method they were being transported and what he said. Again innocent until proven guilty. A few school shootings aren't going to make me violate a Constitutional amendment because I am afraid. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Ben Franklin.

What would make me suspicious would be if he had mental problems that show up. It isn't fair to legal citizens to harrass them on weapons charges if they carry multiple firerams. What about collectors who transport collections? Do I need a reason to excersise a right? I shouldn't. That just isn't right.

Understand I am not defending the kid. If he was in violation of the law I want him arrested and charged. That way he can't do any other idiotic thing. I don't want him charged on trumped up garbage.

IMO a 20 year old kid with a car full of guns that are most likely not registered because of his age is a big red flag
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All of his guns are not required to be registered except the handguns. If those are registered he is most likely legal. Gun registration is an unconstitutional sham, but that is a different argument. My understanding of California law is that gun registration is not in existence. NONE of my firearms are regtstered. As a matter of fact my primary carry handgun was NOT purchsed by me. I purchased it privately for myself. As far as government records go...they only know about 1 gun. That is 1 too many. Not to mention those were pretty much ALL collector weapons anyway. It looked like he had an SKS (a sucky little semi-auto rifle based on an AK action...but nothing to write home about).

The only thing we really even need to talk about in terms of the guns is the handguns because he was 20. I couldn't see those in the picture. I am guessing a semi-auto from the box, but probably a full sized semi-auto and not some easily concealed handgun.


I still would like to know where you get the bias from....if ya want I can show you the same article but from SD most liberal paper if that will help ya with that question
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Yea. Just want to make sure by restating...my statement of bias...I maybe choose my words poorly...but is more about ignorance. I claim "bias" more because Mr. Moore were already convicted of being a school shooter because he had guns. His weapons were made out to be military grade weapons(which some were...about 20 years ago at the latest...and others 50-100 years ago).

As it turns out he is only being charged with "suspected" DUI. I hope he sues the pants off the department. But of course I have my own distaste of lawyers too lol.
 

I think that is the biggest point that we as gun owners want to make.

We can tell from the pictures which firearms are antiques btw. Actually...I would really say, "antiquated" rather than "antiques" lol. I can tell from the barrel of the 2 bolt action rifles that those are Mosin Nagants. They entered military service in Russia...pre soviet Union, pre WW1, and actually in the year 1891. At least that is when they were being tested. At any rate the "pre refinement" rifles were around in 1910 (saw a facelift in 1930). Those particular guns were probably less than $200 (college student in California) apiece and he thought he was getting a "deal." I have a friend who owns one. We did some research and they are REALLY common guns. The Soviets had a TON of them in 1943 and were just selling them off to get money. So there is nothing special about those guns except they look like "early modern" military rifles.

The SKS...well...it is a cheap piece of junk to me. I know plenty of guys who will swear by them, but they are plinking toys to me. If he had more money who would have bought an American designed AR platform(like the M16). Those are around $1000 though. Good luck as a college student

As for the "SVD/Druganov," that could be a lookalike. I would venture to guess that it is an SKS with the "SVD" lookalike stock. That would be really cheap. Trying to buy a "Druganov" would require a bunch of searching and at least $700.

All that is just information from looking at the guns, plus some speculation based on what I know about kids, money, video games, and guns.

He has 1 bolt action Rifle I cannot identify. It might be a Mosin Nagant Carbine. But it could also be a Mauser/Enfield/Springfield. Or just some other random long stock bolt action rifle. I cannot tell by looking from the picture. There is 1 dismantled short rifle that looks like it might be a .22 or MAYBE a .223. I can't tell. It has an AR looking stock, but it just looks funny to me. He has a side by side probably in 12 guage (common caliber). Nothing special there either.

As for the military knife...looking at the picture again...it is a bayonet for the Mosin Nagant. I have personally held one of those . My friend has one for his rifle. Not as useful or wicked as it looks. Really it is just a spike on a rifle tbh. Totally worthless unless you are in a trench, and honestly if he tried wielding that as a weapon he wouldn't get very far.
 
There isn't as much opposition as you may think. While many states are moving away from requiring permits at all, the permit is still there for reciprocity. If the state allowed those with a permit to carry in currently banned places, most of us gun owners would happily comply with stronger requirements to get that permit.
 
Jerry said:
Open-carry can be seen as disruptive, and it is not CCW's intent to disrupt anything but a bad-guy's day.
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^indeed. running around with an ar15 over your shoulder causes all kinds of problems a .38 in your pocket doesnt.
 
roflpublican said:
^indeed. running around with an ar15 over your shoulder causes all kinds of problems a .38 in your pocket doesnt.
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I've carried my .38 snub into a number of places and it never causes a disruption.
 
Jerry said:
I've carried my .38 snub into a number of places and it never causes a disruption.
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I watched my cousin step out of a truck to pump gas with a .357 on his hip one time. He was deer hunting and kind of forgot it was on his hip. I told him and he put it back in the truck cause he had to go inside to pay. Nobody cared and at least 2 people saw him...course they were probably looking at the 8 point in the back too. He still carried a .38 spcl inside...in his pocket lol.
 
I carry to class.

It's not illegal in my state. It is against the collage rules.

Now before everyone goes all ape-****, please understand that in my state public smoking is a much bigger deal then is carrying a gun. My collage has several signs all over the campus forbidding any and all tobacco products, but non regarding firearms. The only reason I know carrying a gun is against the rules is because I'm that guy who actually reads through the student handbook. The collage doesn't even mention firearms in their orientation. They do, however, go on at length about smoking. The anti-smoking culture is alive and well, while hunting rifles rest secured in many vehicles in the parking lot.

If discovered I will face disciplinary action, and I would accept it without a fuss. I understand the risk and I accept it because I respect that the school has to repel liability.

I would, however, proffer not to face disciplinary action for an otherwise lawful act which most people don't even know about.
 
stonewall50 said:
I could get into the psychological discussion here, but that isn't really the issue. My issue is that there is no legitmate reason to disallow 21 year old people or older to carry concaled weapons on a college campus.
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Our campus is a gun free zone, but I carry my revolver in my bag anyway. There was already one incident where a teacher was shot a couple years back, and the 70 something unarmed guard that patrols the food court doesn't inspire much confidence.
 
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Surtr said:
Our campus is a gun free zone, but I carry my revolver in my bag anyway. There was already one incident where a teacher was shot a couple years back, and the 70 something unarmed guard that patrols the food court doesn't inspire much confidence.
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Yea. I never carried on campus. I figured that my luck wasn't good enough.
 
Surtr said:
I've been pretty good at not getting caught my whole life. Plus, I'd still rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.
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Yea. I get that. But at the same time...I don't want to see a person convicted of a gun crime when all they wanted was to defend themself. It is a far heftier conviction than, "judged by 12." It will be judged by millions. The news will brand you a lunatic and possible killer. People will disassociate themselves with you. It will be a blow for 2nd Amendment supporters. Not a large one, but perhaps enough of one for campus concealed carry. I hope you have a license to carry concealed at least.
 

Yes, I have a license to carry, I also don't care about public opinion. They already views me as a bad person just for having guns, regardless of the fact that for 4 years they paid me to be a rifleman/machine gunner/grenadier that is proficiently trained in urban warfare, and counter insurgency operations. After all that, my little 38 is the worst thing in the world times a million infinity plus one, and I'm a bad person for having it. I'm sorry, but "they" can eat a heaping bowl of dicks, good sir.
 
Surtr said:
I've been pretty good at not getting caught my whole life. Plus, I'd still rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.
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same here, i carried 'illegally' on campus for years. i don't void my 2nd amendment rights at the door of a college. liberals can feel free to rant and rave about that all they want, but my life takes priority over their bs.
 
You know that was the biggest piece of culture shock for me, coming back from Afghanistan. Over there, loaded belt-fed weapons in the Federal post-office is perfectly normal, but come back and all of a sudden people freak out if you have a .38 in your pocket at the grocery store.

WTF America?!?
 
roflpublican said:
same here, i carried 'illegally' on campus for years. i don't void my 2nd amendment rights at the door of a college. liberals can feel free to rant and rave about that all they want, but my life takes priority over their bs.
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I agree. Gun free zones don't make the schools safer, they provide a target range for psychotic assholes. I refuse to be a sitting duck.
 
Surtr said:
I agree. Gun free zones don't make the schools safer, they provide a target range for psychotic assholes. I refuse to be a sitting duck.
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indeed, and unfortunately most people are too stupid to realize that criminals don't obey their facist gun control laws anyway:
 
I don't know guys. I won't carry illegally. I find it too important for our civil liberties to do something to have mine removed. I feel it is important to bash the main point of the law. The best way to subvert the law is not to ignore it. It is to attack the premise of it. A college campus is no different than anywhere else. Bash that home. We need to be more vocal about such things. Sadly universities are liberal safe havens
 

Exactly. For years, belt feds, M-16's, M-4's, and Beretta's were the norm. You go to the field, you get your weapon, you go south to CP Carrol, you get your weapon, every Thursday, draw your weapon for STT, every Monday, draw your weapon for cleaning. Same deal in the 2nd Engineers, plus guard duty.

As a civilian, I just say the word weapon, and people freak out. Like I'm speaking of some horrible spike covered AK-47 with a toothy jaw bayonet and caterpillar tracks for legs that contains the soul of Satan, and feeds on the flesh and blood of infants and puppies. Americans have officially become domesticated livestock.
 
...I want one.....
 

Hey hey hey! It ain't all of us man. I carry every day. I work with children and that is the only time it comes off my hip (no sense havin some little kid grab my belt and I get an AD or the piece falls out).
 
I carried a loaded belt-fed weapon in choppers....I carried it to the chow hall 3 times a day...I carried it around living arias, motor pools, and civilians...I carried it through, in and around populated civilian arias....but somehow I can't be trusted with a pea-shooter when I pick my children up from school.

And we're not even talking about grenades and AT4 missiles under my control.

The only time we had to disarm was for sensitive arias where the presence of the weapon posed a greater threat than did an active shooter, such as munition and fuel depots; and then there were armed guards.
 
stonewall50 said:
Hey hey hey! It ain't all of us man. I carry every day. I work with children and that is the only time it comes off my hip (no sense havin some little kid grab my belt and I get an AD or the piece falls out).
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I know, just seems like everyone I come across in life is deathly afraid of guns. Just mentioning firearms is like bringing up jews in a nazi rally around here.
 
Surtr said:
I know, just seems like everyone I come across in life is deathly afraid of guns. Just mentioning firearms is like bringing up jews in a nazi rally around here.
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Yea. I reckon that is all about where you live ? My girlfriend could care less that a I carry. But I had one girlfriend (raised up North) who couldn't stand seeing me have a hunting firearm.
 
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